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Quiz: How did Reddit’s atheist community respond to a woman’s account of rape?

Here’s a little one-question quiz to see how much you know about Reddit’s Atheism subreddit.

QUESTION ONE: A woman describes being raped by a “friend” while both were intoxicated (though she doesn’t call it rape). Do the r/atheism regulars:

a) Respond with sympathy and support

b) Attack her and furiously downvote her posts, with the assistance of one of the moderators of r/mensrights, then return to posting and upvoting rape jokes

BONUS QUESTION: True or False: Someone on r/menrights links to her comment as “an example of how and why many people believe that rape is everywhere… because their definition of rape includes every sexual misadventure.” The most heavily upvoted comment in the r/mensrights thread declares that the woman who was raped “sounds like a delusional sheltered teen.”

Yes, the correct answers here are the ones you assumed were correct.

Here’s the woman’s post describing what happened to her.

She gives more details on what happened in other, also-highly-downvoted comments.

One highly upvoted rape joke from elsewhere in the thread:

Hilarious!

Amazingly, despite all the jokes and the victim blaming/attacking going on, the thread also contains some highly upvoted comments lamenting the tendency of people to blame the victim in rape cases. Apparently, when a rape victim is drunk, it’s not rape, even when she repeatedly says “no” and gives in because she’s scared, so it’s fine to attack away, and even to accuse the victim of being a rapist too.

This enables Reddit Atheists not only to blame the victim of rape without feeling guilty, or admitting that this is what they’re doing, while simultaneously feeling self-righteous in their condemnation of religious people doing the exact same thing.

And because their rape jokes are also couched as jokes about religious people’s views on rape, they can feel self-righteous while making them too.

Sometimes the actions of Reddit Atheists cause me to begin to doubt just a teensy weensey bit that “atheists are a community that’s pre-selected for clear thinking and empiricism,” as one commenter in r/mensrights put it not that long ago.

EDITED TO ADD: Thanks again to ShitRedditSays for highlighting this awful thread.

EDITED TO ADD 2: More SRS discussion, courtesy of Holly.

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boxofcrates
boxofcrates
8 years ago

A little over half a year ago, I would have thought that the atheist, agnostic, and skeptic communities were pretty much full of decent people, you know?*

I don’t think that anymore.

*Is an atheist, for whatever that’s worth.

blitzgal
8 years ago

Was just listening to a podcast where a woman had to explain to her male co-host that “some people actually believe it’s not rape” when you have sex with a semi-conscious woman. He couldn’t believe it, because to him it was obviously rape. I have to believe that there are more men in the world like him than the trolls on Reddit, because otherwise I would never leave my house.

I have seen recent research that indicates that a small percent of men perpetuate a large percent of rapes. And that predators who go after women who are incapacitated with drugs or alcohol are doing it very consciously. It isn’t a “gray area” or a “mistake.” They are targeting women who are vulnerable, and they do it over and over again.

Russell Wain Glasser
8 years ago

As a member of a prominent local atheist community, and a blogger on Freethoughtblogs.com, I see a very big divergence in views when it comes to the way atheists in general treat women. It’s very important to me and most of the people I come in contact with that women in the atheist movement are treated with respect and not made to feel like lesser members; and also that we pay serious attention to prominent female members like Rebecca Watson, Greta Christina, and Jessica Ahlquist.

Unfortunately, this is often the subject of some very big, messy online arguments, from men who are used to invoking casual sexism and angrily defend their “right” to continue doing it. Somehow, these arguments always manage to confuse the notion that there are standards of common courtesy and social ethics, with the belief that someone is trying to take away their freedom away. All I can say is that a lot of us are aware of the problem, and are willing to stand up and be called names like “manginas” for it by idiots.

Please do check out “Godless Bitches,” an atheist feminist podcast that features my wife and several other very smart women I know. http://godlessbitches.podbean.com/

Lauralot
Lauralot
8 years ago

If that subreddit is trying to prove that there is no god, their complete lack of compassion and decency does make a pretty good case for them.

Lauralot
Lauralot
8 years ago

I should probably add to the above comment that I’m an atheist myself.

Why must every subculture be tainted with idiocy?

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Okay. She said NO. If she said no, it is rape. Period.

Moewicus
Moewicus
8 years ago

What do you mean you don’t want to have sex? Why are you being so subtle?! So many shades of grey.

Ugh

Moewicus
Moewicus
8 years ago

I suggest “Idiodicy.”

Lauralot
Lauralot
8 years ago

Douchedicy?

zhinxy
8 years ago

I don’t even have anything to add right now. I’m just sick.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

*gives David her overpriced cupcake* Sorry your head hurts.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

and then those same MRAs accuses us for not taking female on male rape seriously.

you know how I know they don’t give a shit about male rape victims? because they call female victims liars and often imply they’re asking for it. Bringing up female on male rape is all part of their not so subtle agenda of making women look bad.

If female victims get treated like this, just imagine how male victims would be treated. Then again it wouldn’t surprise me if they’d believe the male but not the female. Worthless misogynistic trash would do something like that.

Ponkz
Ponkz
8 years ago

@blitzgal – Oh, I think it’s absolutely true that rapists use all the common ‘asking for it’ myths to get away with it. There were a couple of assaults carried out on the same night by the same guy in my city just before Christmas. He was really brazen about it, as a lot of his activities were caught on CCTV – him obviously prowling around, selecting and targeting women.

Story about it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16284160

It really struck me that he was obviously deliberately targeting women coming home from Christmas office parties. They would have been drinking, would be all dressed up in party dresses and high heels and walking alone looking for taxis. He must have thought they were the perfect combination of ‘asking for it’ and so he would be able to get away with it. It just goes to show how damaging and self-perpetuating these myths are.

Valerie
Valerie
8 years ago

The irony is that atheism is becoming it’s own religion. I’m an atheist and never has it entered my mind to join a group other atheists. It’s too much like church. Blah.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

what is so unclear about “I don’t want to do this while drunk”

and then when women don’t trust or extra cautious, we are labeled misandrists. This was her FRIEND. You’d think she could trust her fucking friend.

burgundy
burgundy
8 years ago

Theoidiocy?

I can’t even engage with the actual content of the post. It’s just so evil and repugnant.

Although it is a good illustration of the difference between atheism and skepticism. Just because you don’t believe in god doesn’t mean you have any kind of investment in approaching life using reason or logical thinking.

katz
8 years ago

Theoreddicy?

Scar
Scar
8 years ago

Wait, so if a drunk guy says ‘no’ to me pegging him with a 12incher but I get really drunk and do it to him anyway, that makes it okay?

captainbathrobe
8 years ago

You know, this is why guys feel like they can’t win with you feminists. If she’s drunk, but she says no, then it’s rape. If she’s too drunk to say no, then it’s also rape. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. How’s a guy supposed to get laid, anyway?

(*sarcasm* tag, for those who don’t know me)

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

Theoidiocy?

I like how burgundy puts it, but the first “o” makes it a bit of a mouthful. Take one vowel out and we get the snappy “theidiocy”!

BoggiDWurms
8 years ago

“You cannot make the proper judgement or take proper action due to intoxication, but you require the boy (who is just as intoxicated) to do just that.

You expect him to properly interpret an unclear message and take proper action. His intoxication is no excuse. It feels very contradictory.”

What part of “I told him as soon as he started making moves on me that I didn’t want to do that while I was drunk” do you not understand, shitwit!

What’s more disturbing is how so many people can upvote it without seeing his fallacy right in front of their faces. *facepalm* Never underestimate how cultural/mainstream programming can make people hallucinate, ever! It’s literally as if they can’t think! I’ve almost lost all of hope in humanity.

“As a member of a prominent local atheist community, and a blogger on Freethoughtblogs.com, I see a very big divergence in views when it comes to the way atheists in general treat women. It’s very important to me and most of the people I come in contact with that women in the atheist movement are treated with respect and not made to feel like lesser members; and also that we pay serious attention to prominent female members like Rebecca Watson, Greta Christina, and Jessica Ahlquist.”

Funny. Because there are so many prominent women atheists on YouTube alone. Here are some just from the top of my head:

xxxThePeachxxx
ZOMGitsCris
Bionic Dance
WildWood Claire
Autumn Lauber
Healthy Addict
FactvsReligion
Laci Green

As an atheist, I’m also tired of the arrogant assumption my fellow atheists make that they are automatically more rational just because they are nonreligious. How is that any different than religious people thinking they are more moral just because they believe in God? Atheists are just as intellectually frail as other humans.

nwoslave
8 years ago

Well, well, well. The jackass crew is still vomiting out hatred. I kinda picture feminists and many “modern” women in general as Linda Blair. Their heads spin around and green vomit just comes-a-pourin out. I was readin some of the comments on previous posts, (just tryin ta catch up). And if I didn’t know better, I’d think feminism was just one guy in a room running a random word generator with a whole wack of IPs. No one here will ever be accused of intelligence, that’s for sure.

Anyhoo, I figure since this thread is about alcohol and sex we can let science guide us to a brave new world of equality. Anytime sex occurs and alcohol is involved, the person with the highest alcohol content is the “vicitm.” Since the entire reasoning behind the whole rape aspect is loss of ones faculties. The person with the lowest blood alcohol content would be the responsible party.

Sounds like a pretty equitable solution to me. Somehow I doubt da crew will see it that way. Particularly if women are sent to prison for 10 of 15 years for having sex with an intoxicated man. Unless of course they get to go to a California spa prison. Might be a win-win scenario after all.

Cya losers.

Lauralot
Lauralot
8 years ago

“The jackass crew is still vomiting out hatred”

Man, someone needs to write a heavy metal song with that as a lyric. I don’t even care what the rest of the song is about. You could make it about puppies or rainbows or anything else.

And it should be sung by William Shatner, or at least someone using his inflection.

lowquacks
lowquacks
8 years ago

Let’s hope that last line means you’re going now.

Pecunium
8 years ago

Well, well, well. The jackass crew is still vomiting out hatred.

Yeah, but we’re making fun of them so it’s not so bad.

Cya losers.

Is that a promise? Do you give your word you aren’t coming back?

There IS a God, and he’s answered our prayers.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

good lord he actually believes there are California spa prisons….there are no words.

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

Anytime sex occurs and alcohol is involved, the person with the highest alcohol content is the “vicitm.” Since the entire reasoning behind the whole rape aspect is loss of ones faculties. The person with the lowest blood alcohol content would be the responsible party.

Why do you think we would have a problem with this?

BoggiDWurms
8 years ago

“Anyhoo, I figure since this thread is about alcohol and sex we can let science guide us to a brave new world of equality. Anytime sex occurs and alcohol is involved, the person with the highest alcohol content is the “vicitm.” Since the entire reasoning behind the whole rape aspect is loss of ones faculties. The person with the lowest blood alcohol content would be the responsible party.”

NWO takes another dump on our porch. Bad boy.

blitzgal
8 years ago

And if I didn’t know better, I’d think feminism was just one guy in a room running a random word generator with a whole wack of IPs.

One guy?

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

@blitzgal

Women are natural luddites, so they need some poor mangina to implement their devious plan

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

Also, what’s this drive-by bullshit? I thought you were the last hard working man in the West NWO!! You’re getting lazy

Evil Alex
Evil Alex
8 years ago

yep, the atheist community has creepy jerks too. Came across some on youtube as well, creepy fuckers to the core. (though I should stress that many youtube atheists that I have come across seem quite sane and friendly, and I am penpals with one of them, so there are both good apples and bad apples)

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

@Quackers

there are no words.

There are, but none that can be used in even mildly polite society

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

Oh, wait, I forgot for a second that I was dealing with NWOSlave. He’s not saying “having sex with someone who’s drunk to the point of impairment is rape regardless of whether you’re drunk yourself, and it’s possible to enforce this in an egalitarian way”, which is absolutely true and which we would support. He’s saying “men who have sex with a woman who’s had so much as a one sip of a wine cooler get instantly dragged off to prison for 10 to 15 years without so much as a trial, and you dirty feminists wouldn’t be so eager to have Big Daddy enforce his misandric ‘rape laws’ for you if it happened to women, too.”

Did I translate correctly?

jumbofish
8 years ago

and if I didn’t know better, I’d think feminism was just one guy in a room running a random word generator with a whole wack of IPs.

I guess the first wave feminists/2nd wave feminists must have not existed in nwo’s world… Feminism and feminists has existed before the internet, how do you explain that??? Are all those feminists that existed back then were robots being controlled by one guy? O_O

(jumbo can conspirasize too! :D)

Seraph
Seraph
8 years ago

there are both good apples and bad apples

There are, but you know what they say about what the bad apples do to the barrel. It all comes down to how the “good apples” respond when the bad apples do something rotten.

Explore Nature
8 years ago

“Rape” is defined by men rather than women, today some of toxic women are misusing this word. These toxic women are stealing words related to sexuality and using them for spreading out an unpleasant attitude towards male sexuality and male sex drive.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

Actually, since I’ve just been revising rape policy, I know how “rape by intoxication” is defined in most of the nation’s colleges. If one person is so drunk or high they don’t know the basic details of the interaction, such as who you are, where they are, and what they’re doing, having sex with them is rape. In general, if someone is at “throwing up constantly, going in and out of consciousness” levels of intoxication, it is assumed they are drunk enough not to know what they are doing.

None of this applies to the lady in the OP, because SHE SAID NO, and if you say no it is rape regardless of your drinking status.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

@Seraph

Nice try, but unfortunately there is no translation. It ran off with the context.

Shadow
Shadow
8 years ago

I’ve come around somewhat. EN you actually ARE an amusing little shit.

jumbofish
8 years ago

Also NWO weren’t you saying before about how “big daddy gov” is feminist and unfair to all men who live under its rule? Now suddenly feminists don’t exist???

Which is it NWO?

Evil Alex
Evil Alex
8 years ago

Seraph, I’m not sure, but I think most of the creepy atheists I’ve come across were not very popular, so didn’t get a lot of backlash due to not getting a lot of video views.

some of them are relatively popular though, and they get quite a few debating challenges from the good apples. Pretty much, Atheists argue amongst themselves just as much as feminists due.

burgundy
burgundy
8 years ago

Ozy – it is also no regardless of whether or how much you fight. If you say no, the other person proceeds, and you let them because you don’t want to make them angry, then that is rape, because you said no and they went ahead anyway.

I would say “I don’t understand why some people find this so difficult,” but I don’t think that’s actually the case. I think they choose to willfully ignore it.

Evil Alex
Evil Alex
8 years ago

I meant to type “do” with that last word in my last post. my bad.

ozymandias42
8 years ago

EN: You know what causes an unpleasant attitude towards sexuality?

RAPE.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

good lord he actually believes there are California spa prisons….there are no words.

Those sound fun, kind of like having S&M after the pedi-medi.

Evil Alex
Evil Alex
8 years ago

okay, after Explore Nature gets criticized, let’s make a bet.
will he or will he not respond.

I’m putting my top internet dollar on he will not.

Quackers
Quackers
8 years ago

“but officer my friend was asleep and unaware, it’s not my fault I stole his TV, he should have been awake to stop me if he didn’t want me too!”

“but officer that man was walking in a bad neighborhood, he should have expected me to steal his wallet…wait why are you arresting me?!”

Why are they always so quick to defend the person taking advantage of someone in their weak moments? why are the above scenarios so ludicrous but raping an intoxicated person, let alone one who did say no is seen as ok? I seriously would not surprised if these redditors have raped or sexually assaulted women before.

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