My eyes are all dialated from an eye exam, but even through a blurry haze I can tell this guy is kind of a toolbag. Here’s The Rational Male on why the ladies totally don’t appreciate all that dudes do for them, like for example, not having sex with other ladies when they totally probably could have.
I think what most men uniquely deceive themselves of is that they will ultimately be appreciated by women for their sacrifices. … You can’t be because women fundamentally lack the ability to fully realize, much less appreciate the sacrifices a man makes to facilitate her reality. … Men making the personal sacrifices necessary to honor, respect and love her are commonplace. You’re supposed to do those things. You sacrificed your ambitions and potential to provide her with a better life? You were supposed to. You resisted temptation and didn’t cheat on your wife with the hot secretary who was DTF and ready to go?
Ladies totally don’t appreciate that shit. Seriously, gals, it takes a lot of willpower for us to keep from going around sticking our penises in other ladies. You should probably bake us all cakes, or something.
The worst offenders? Women 40 and over.
[A]ssume for a moment that a 40 y.o. Man with the options to pursue younger women “does the right thing” and seeks out a relationship with a woman his own age. Would he be appreciated for essentially giving an aged woman a new lease on life? Or would he be viewed as doing what is to be expected of him?
Seriously, women over 40 are practically senior citizens. Even talking to them is a gigantic sacrifice for a guy who imagines he might possibly be able to cajole a drunk 27 year old into bed for a night of deeply unsatisfying sex with him.
It’s best to remind the fortysomething hags what a giant favor you’re doing them while you are actually, you know, doing them. In the “having sex with them” sense, if you catch my drift.
“Aw yeah, baby, you saw that waitress totally smiling at me earlier. I think she’d probably do me. You’re lucky I even gave your old ass a second look!”
Repeat this until she hates herself. That sort of thing is what makes for spectacular sex.
It’s no wonder he calls himself The Rational Man.
This.
Everyone should be grateful I didn’t punch them in the face today!!!! It takes a lot of will power on my part, don’t you know?
@Pecunium and everyone else,
I’m curious. Your argument sounds a lot like “Feminists are manhating advocates of gendercide because Solanas and Daly, and today there’s still evebitfirst and radhub.” I reject both. Something can be unorthodox without there being an orthodoxy. Feminism must not be a monolith to have “reducing the male population” or “chemically fixing the effects of testosterone on a large scale” as fringe views, and the wide field of perspectives that could be considered PUA [1] does not need to be a monolith for date-rapey approaches to be fringe views. If you look at how things are discussed in the community, you will find (depending on where you look, of course), a lot of “Never push against boundaries”, “State your wants clearly, make clear that there is no pressure, ask her what she wants, and check in occasionally to make sure that she still consents and to find out if you can make things better for her”.
[1] a lot of people dislike the term and label their own approach something else, yet are still clearly part of the ‘community’.
That said, there are a lot of things that could be considered problematic. Consent (not only sexual) is always difficult, because at any point a “Yes” can become a “No”, and a “No” can become a “Yes”. Here are some scripts loosely based on what the community recommends involving the later.
R: To make this clear, we’re not having Sex tonight.
A: I’m OK with that. Want to cuddle and/or make out anyway?
R: Absolutely.
…later…
R: I’m so turned on, let’s have Sex.
A: Are you sure?
R: Yes.
A: Cool, let’s do it.
R: To make this clear, we’re not having Sex tonight.
A: That’s fine, I don’t have Sex on the first date either.
…later…
A: Too bad that this is the first date, I’d love to gently trace my fingers around your shoulder blades,and to slowly kiss my way up your beautiful legs.
R: That sounds hot.
… later …
R: I’d be ok with breaking my rule if you are.
R: To make this clear, we’re not having Sex tonight.
A: I respect that and I am ok with that. I would never want to have sex with someone who does not want it as well. I just want you to know that I will respect and like you no matter whether we have sex or not. Society has these stupid rules for women that if they do what they really want to do, they are not respecting themselves. I think that’s a load of crap. A woman who has sex because she wants to is not a slut, and a woman who doesn’t have sex because she doesn’t want to is not a cocktease.
R: I’m glad that you think like that. Wanna make out?
…later…
R: Let’s have Sex!
Are these dialogs manipulative? Is consent violated (and are they therefore rape)? I honestly don’t know and can see arguments both for yes and for no.
Even more difficult is asking lots of questions that you expect to be answered by yes (“Does it tingle when I slide my fingertips along your back?” “Does this feel good?” “Do you want me to gently nibble on your neck?”) as a form of present talk; apparently many women enjoy this and it helps them to relax,let go, and concentrate on their pleasure (presumably because it stimulates the verbal part of their brain), but, psychologically, saying yes a lot makes it more likely to say yes in the future. Is this manipulative and/or rape? Again, I don’t know.
@Eurosabra
You’re a Nice Guy ™.
I wonder if there is anyone on this board of bigots who has the courage to read this article in its entirety:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/manufacturing-female-victimhood-marginalizing-vulnerable-men/comment-page-1/#comment-85309
Here is the relevant bit, from the CDC’s 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey:
>>> Luckily the NIPSVS did track the risk of “made to penetrate” for men in the last year. It was 1.1%, identical to the 1.1% of women “made to envelop”. <<<
Translated for tone-deaf feminists: men are exactly as likely to be forced-without-consent BY WOMEN, as as women are by men.
Your campaign of disinformation and bigoted lies has met its match. The MRM is here, and we are here to stay. We will continue to fight for equal protection under the law, and equal protection of government.
You can go back to doing what you do.
The Rational Male (Rollo Tomassi) is a mod on sosuave.net a PUA forum where 50% of posters are virgin (I suppose they follow his advice) and where Roissy is seen as a guru by some. And many posters at Hookingupsmart (Mike C, Yohami) think the same thing.
Excellent. You’ve got a slogan. Now, manage to mount a successful protest/demonstration -you know, something that teenagers can do- and maybe someone will care.
Sigh. Your attempts to derail are as pathetic as your internet warrior activism, Zarat. Shouldn’t you be helping get your kids ready for school/daycare or something?
How to Have Regular Sex With a Woman 14 1/2 Years Younger Than You
2nd Edition
Missing from the first edition:
Step 3: You are an adult, and so is your partner. Have an attitude towards consent that a reasonable fucking human being would have. Pay attention to non-verbal cues, ask if you need information. Ask about particular sex acts you would like, expect the same from her. If she’s turned off by any sort of conversation about the sex she was totally raring to have 5 seconds ago, congratulations, you have dodged a bullet and so has she.
If you’re more concerned about ensuring you get to have an orgasm than ensuring that your sexual partner is okay with what’s going on, you’re what’s known as the Scum of the Earth, and you should avoid having sex with anyone in any age range.
Here are the numbers from the report:
Table 2.1: 12 month prevalence of sexual violence – NISVS 2010
Women:
Completed forced penetration 0.5% (620,000)
Attempted forced penetration 0.4% (519,000)
Completed alcohol/drug facilitated penetration 0.7 (781,000)
Tota;: 1,270,000
Men:
Made to penetrate: 1.1% (1,267,000)
Do you begin to understand the need for an MRM?
@ Anthony Zarat
Could you offer us your insight on the “Sink Misandy” cancellation?
The general consensus here at Manboobz is that AVfM realized that virtually no-one would be interested in taking part in such an event and Paul Elam, egotistical weakling that he is, cancelled rather than appear to be prominent member of a tiny fringe organization.
As a prominent member of that same tiny fringe organization, what are your thoughts?
You could have used the “Sink Misandry” event as a victory parade, given your earlier pronouncements of victory for the MRM.
Anthony Zarat, I salute you. You are almost first amongst equals in the MRM – steadfast, misinformed, angry, resentful, unintentionally amusing; you are the archetypal MRA.
Note: if you’re deliberately pursuing younger women because they are less mature and experienced, and while a woman closer to you in age might insist on clear boundaries a younger one might be less sure of herself and more likely to just go along with whatever you do, you’re doing it wrong. Also, you disgust me.
Have Scotty check your universal translator circuits again. It doesn’t say what you think it says.
“Overall, lifetime and one year estimates for sexual violence, stalking and intimate partner violence were alarmingly high for adult Americans; with IPV alone affecting more than 12 million people each year. Women are disproportionately impacted. They experienced high rates of severe intimate partner violence, rape and stalking, and long-term chronic disease and other health impacts such as PTSD symptoms.”
Now go off and enjoy a bowl of Impotent-Ragey-O’s as part of your complete breakfast.
As a side issue, isn’t it kinda touching watching the MRAs repeat endlessly the same words over and over again?
Hate! Bigots! Manginas! We have self respect! We are non-violent! The feminists control and own everything! We are downtrodden! We are winning! We have won! We are second class citizens! We are here to stay! We have cancelled our first public event! We have still won! We are angry!
Zarat: No. That’s a sign we need a non-misogynistic, non-evil, connected-to-this-plane-of-reality movement that focuses on men’s rights.
Also the lifetime numbers are MUCH lower for men– about one-fourth of survivors, counting envelopment, are male.
@cynikal
You feminists twisted the definition so that women-perpetrators are not counted in IPV statistics. Since virtually all of the 1.6 MILLION male victims of IPV in 2010 were victimized by women, the feminist lie sets the tone for the entire false picture that is then painted by the board.
@ Anthony Zarat
Why cite a source that you don’t think is reliable?
I’ll draw your attention to my earlier post – your public awaits;
@ Anthony Zarat
Could you offer us your insight on the “Sink Misandy” cancellation?
The general consensus here at Manboobz is that AVfM realized that virtually no-one would be interested in taking part in such an event and Paul Elam, egotistical weakling that he is, cancelled rather than appear to be prominent member of a tiny fringe organization.
As a prominent member of that same tiny fringe organization, what are your thoughts?
You could have used the “Sink Misandry” event as a victory parade, given your earlier pronouncements of victory for the MRM.
Anthony Zarat, I salute you. You are almost first amongst equals in the MRM – steadfast, misinformed, angry, resentful, unintentionally amusing; you are the archetypal MRA.
Zarat, has anyone on these threads ever, I mean ever maintained that: 1) men and boys cannot be raped by women or that 2) nonconsensual envelopment of a man/boy by a woman should not be considered rape?
I mean, anyone besides NWO who -last I checked- considers himself an MRA?
@ozymandias42
“Also the lifetime numbers are MUCH lower for men– about one-fourth of survivors, counting envelopment, are male.”
Are you suggesting that society should make health care and law enforcement policy decisions based on the crime patterns of the 1980’s, instead of the crime patterns of today?
You must have been the smartest kid in your class.
TODAY, males are EXACTLY as likely to be victims of females as females are likely to be victims of males.
You know, for 29 years I assumed that I was one of a tiny minority. I think my brothers did also. This has been a very significant day for me.
What is amazing is how this startling statistic is hidden and buried behind convenient feminist obfuscation.
You must all be so proud of yourselves.
@ Anthony Zarat
Was today more significant than the “Day of Victory” for the MRM last week? When the upvotes outnumbered the downvotes on a Daily Mail article…
Now Anthony, Manboobz view you and your movement as a massive joke.
You particularly.
I’ll repear, in capital letters.
YOUR WACKY CABAL OF BUFFOONS HUMILIATED THEMSELVES IN PUBLIC BY CANCELLING AN EVENT THAT WAS TOUTED AS VERY SIGNIFICANT.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT?
Anthony, you are a joke, your movement doesn’t exist. Your brothers exist only on the internet.
Anthony once (claimed to) strike a brave blow for the MRM by shouting at a woman who complimented the “cuteness” of his child in a chemist.
Anthony Zarat; An MRA Soldier!!
*repeat
So, Antz, what are you doing about the rape of men?
Are you donating to shelters that house men? Are you volunteering to serve as an ER advocate for male victims of rape? Are you staffing a hotline? Are you lobbying your legislators?
…Or are you trolling completely unrelated blog posts with comments that only use the rape of men as yet another beatstick to prove the Evil Of Women with, and once you feel the Evil Of Women has been proven to your satisfaction, you completely forget about those male victims?
Zarat, have any of the posters on these threads -besides the self-declared MRA activist, NWO- ever stated that forced/nonconsensual envelopment of a man by a woman should not be considered rape?
Anyone with so much as a tenuous grip on reality will recognize that, at least, two things: 1) it is entirely possible for a man to be raped by a woman by means of forced envelopment and 2) the exclusion of this act from accepted definitions of rape -legal or otherwise- predates feminism by centuries.
Ding-ding-ding!
When confronted with inconvenient facts, why is it that feminists reply with personal attacks?
Does anyone care to comment on the data?
“… comments that only use the rape of men as yet another beatstick …”
Yep, this must be it. There can’t possibly be any other reason why this issue is important to me. Nope. That can’t be the case.