My eyes are all dialated from an eye exam, but even through a blurry haze I can tell this guy is kind of a toolbag. Here’s The Rational Male on why the ladies totally don’t appreciate all that dudes do for them, like for example, not having sex with other ladies when they totally probably could have.
I think what most men uniquely deceive themselves of is that they will ultimately be appreciated by women for their sacrifices. … You can’t be because women fundamentally lack the ability to fully realize, much less appreciate the sacrifices a man makes to facilitate her reality. … Men making the personal sacrifices necessary to honor, respect and love her are commonplace. You’re supposed to do those things. You sacrificed your ambitions and potential to provide her with a better life? You were supposed to. You resisted temptation and didn’t cheat on your wife with the hot secretary who was DTF and ready to go?
Ladies totally don’t appreciate that shit. Seriously, gals, it takes a lot of willpower for us to keep from going around sticking our penises in other ladies. You should probably bake us all cakes, or something.
The worst offenders? Women 40 and over.
[A]ssume for a moment that a 40 y.o. Man with the options to pursue younger women “does the right thing” and seeks out a relationship with a woman his own age. Would he be appreciated for essentially giving an aged woman a new lease on life? Or would he be viewed as doing what is to be expected of him?
Seriously, women over 40 are practically senior citizens. Even talking to them is a gigantic sacrifice for a guy who imagines he might possibly be able to cajole a drunk 27 year old into bed for a night of deeply unsatisfying sex with him.
It’s best to remind the fortysomething hags what a giant favor you’re doing them while you are actually, you know, doing them. In the “having sex with them” sense, if you catch my drift.
“Aw yeah, baby, you saw that waitress totally smiling at me earlier. I think she’d probably do me. You’re lucky I even gave your old ass a second look!”
Repeat this until she hates herself. That sort of thing is what makes for spectacular sex.
It’s no wonder he calls himself The Rational Man.
I’m finding Eurosabra’s constant attempts to promote PUA here a bit baffling. Does he think he’s going to win us over, or is it some sort of “how dare you slander my guru” thing?
CassandraSays – For people who claim to be master manipulators, PUAs always seem quite ignorant of how their comments about PUA itself will come off. You’d think they’d be better at managing their image, considering how image management is what they’re selling.
How to Have Regular Sex With a Woman 14 1/2 Years Younger Than You
By: A woman regularly fucking a man 14 1/2 years older than her
Step 1: Treat prospective partners like people, not fuck toys. This requires that your primary motivation for sex be something other than “She’s younger than me! She’s younger than me! All my friends will high-five me!!”
Step 2: Be attractive to your prospective partner. This may require that you look 10 years younger than you are. I can’t help you do that.
You’re now equipped to regularly have sex with women 14 1/2 years younger than you! There is only one last piece of advice I can give you:
Stop making my happy, healthy relationship look bad. Creeps.
Holly, your last blog post tried to give men endless isolation and rejection as some little jewel to have and to hold forever, in the name of those “intangibles.” I don’t verbalize everything and yet doubtful consent has never been an issue for me, because I STOP in doubtful situations. And really, to judge by his diary, Sodini was under-equipped as a human, bullied by his brother and solely a means of production for his employers, who neglected to Google him during the years he openly plotted murder on an unencrypted public blog.
Right… if only he’d been the right sort of manipulative abuser of women, then he’d not have been a bitter, controlling, homicidal maniac.
But he didn’t get with the program. PUA can’t fail, PUA can only be failed.
CassandraSays – For people who claim to be master manipulators, PUAs always seem quite ignorant of how their comments about PUA itself will come off. You’d think they’d be better at managing their image, considering how image management is what they’re selling.
-Why you are now, and have been for a long time, my favorite internetz commenter on the pua phenomenon, right there. 🙂
[twirls moustache w/evil laugh]
Cassandra: No. Image management is the packaging. What they are selling how to (at best) get people over their lack of social skills.
Which would be fine, but the rest of the package; the real meat and potatoes, is how to get away with low-key rape. How to contrive consent. How to trick people into having sex with them. They don’t care how it looks; so long as they can get away with it.
That was holly, I didn’t quote her right. phooey.
Here’s an interesting discussion of rape culture: Can’t hear you beyond the croaking (a warning to the Manospherians… that’s the sort of place I polished my internet arguments. I’m [IMO] a second rate commenter there. The regulars will tear apart the sort of stuff you post here like a firehose through a Kleenex®, just in case you wanted to see how it feels to be schooled; big time)
So he’s saying women don’t “deceive themselves […] that they will ultimately be appreciated by women for their sacrifices.” I mean the word “Unique” has a definition. One that excludes all other things. So say cats don’t “deceive themselves […] that they will ultimately be appreciated by women for their sacrifices.” I mean, not that cats would actually sacrifice *anything* for *anyone*. But if they did, something like sacrifice a mouse or a bird, they wouldn’t “deceive themselves […] that they will ultimately be appreciated by women for their sacrifices.” You know, ‘cause I’m sure that chicks totally dig headless mice.
Wait, it though that men totally were driven to their graves early because of harpy wives demanding they work 32 hours a day repairing milking machines so they could sit at home eating bon-bons.
@CassandraSays
Wait… so that stripper last Saturday…?
*cries*
Please insert No True PUA argument here regarding rape. Some of the early stuff on “Last Minute Resistance” from certain PUAs like Alex’s “The Door” routine was truly awful, used social pressure such as loss of approval or a love object to coerce, and has passed into infamy. God I’m old enough that I’m talking turn of the 90s scandal.
I also want to add in here, for a person who regularly uses, and appreciates, run on sentences, this is is an abonimation of a sentences that should be taken out and drawn and quartered with prejudice.
MRAs – making editors everywhere cry ever since they first applied fingers to keyboard.
Pecunium – I’d like to think well of the Neilsen Haydens, for many reasons – but their behaviour during Racefail, I just can’t forget 🙁
zhinxy: Consider that the OP is neither Patrick nor Teresa, and the commentariat is completely separate.
The No True PUA argument would work better, if you were actually making a real condemnation; instead of saying it’s passed into infamy, without saying you categorically reject it, and that all the practitioners of PUA refuse to use it. Since the, “keep pushing until you get a, “real” no” meme is still out there, and being recommended, well as you say, it’s a “no true Scotsman” defense.
That’s true. Still, it’s a thing about it being their “kingdom”, I guess. I suppose I can’t help but feel the sci-fi/f should have sanctioned them much more than it did, not to blame the people that didn’t, because of their position. Sigh.
How do you police memes in the public sphere? PUA isn’t a school, a movement, or a discourse, it’s a grab-bag of attitudes.
A grab-bag of attitudes to some degree, but not just a floating meme, no. There is communication, there are packaged deals, there are seminars and, in general, a sphere. There are recognized “names” even if not organized authority. You’re being disengenous, and you know it.
Eurosabra: You can’t have it both ways. Either there is a Broad Philosophy of PUA, and the rape-mongers aren’t in it, or there is a broad swath of ideas, and the Rape Mongers can’t be excluded.
To claim they are “unorthodox” requires there be an orthodoxy from which to deviate.
There was a rather good demonstration against the Merkaz HaOmanut HaPitui in Tel Aviv which even made the papers.
Which means nothing. If there is no “movement” then those were just random people who were pissed of at some PUAs. If there is a movement.. well those ideas are still being taught.
Eurosabra, asking for, and receiving consent is not evil. There are ways to ask that are not stilted and are as “hot” (whatever that means to you) as anyone would wish.
I know you like to tapdance on the edge of rape, but most people of good conscience do not like to do that.
Actually, given that no one knows and no one cares, I can have it both ways. There has been plenty of blog and other pushback. The Tel Aviv incident arose when someone apparently live-blogged a rape as a way of showing off his learnings, and there was a petition to the public prosecutor and a demo occupied their seminar.