Today in Did That Really Get 196 Upvotes on Reddit: A Redditor claiming to be the owner of a brothel in Thailand explains how what he euphemistically calls the “problems in the sex industry” are mostly the fault of evil, lazy whores. Literally.
Let’s join the discussion already in progress. (ChaChaKrahp is the alleged brothel owner.)
A little further on in the discussion he makes this charming claim:
According to him, sex trafficking isn’t really a big issue, but when it does occur it “is more likely to victimize men” than women. (The main victims in his mind being trafficked men (by which I assume he means transwomen) … and male sex tourists.)
Those poor, poor Western sex tourists, suffering so at the hands of women and girls who’ve been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery!
But let’s just put this whole “trafficking” thing out of our heads. As ChaChaKrahp explains it, prostitution in Thailand is just a way for lazy ladies to make money. It’s totally on the up and up – “[j]ust like college girls in the US that work as strippers for $300 per night instead of picking strawberries for $50 per day.”
The only real problem is all those evil ladies ripping off dudes.
Did that last bit sound a little … MRAish to you?
Though this discussion isn’t in the Men’s Rights subreddit., ChaChaKrahp shares a lot of opinions and obsessions with the MRA crowd, peppering the discussion with MRA talking points on everything from dangerous jobs and breast cancer funding to false rape accusations and paternity fraud. While he claims not to “give a shit about MRA groups,” he links to prominent Father’s Rights site fathersandfamilies.com, and rails endlessly about the evils of feminism. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
While ChaChaKrahp seems quite sincere in his beliefs, this is the Internet, and so there’s a chance that this “brothel owner” is not actually a brothel owner at all, just some dude making this all up for Reddit karma points and lulz.
Even if that’s the case, we still have all those hundreds of Redditors who read his comments and happily upvoted them, either because they thought what he said was sensible or true, or because the thought of owning a brothel in Thailand gave them boners.
The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?
(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this lovely thread.)
EDITED TO ADD: Brothel Owner under attack (by a few people)! Send in the r/mensrights upvote brigade to upvote him even more than he’s already being upvoted!!!
I mean, it would be like a German who profited off of the oppression of Jews, never done anything to repent, never stepped up to pay the consequences of their actions, working with the JDL (or insert any other oppressor/oppressed analogy)?
“Actually, Hugo is getting the kid gloves treatment mostly, plenty of feminists, including Marcotte of Pandagon are still linking to his stuff and calling for much forgiveness.”
He’s being cut a lot more slack than he deserves, honestly, in part because his persona is so aw shucks I am but a humble Christian man who wants to do good.
Wait, so MRAL says that Schwyzer is getting a massive backlash, WAY worse than a dude would get, and Mags says that he’s not getting noted at all. And either expects to be taken seriously.
Hey MRAL, you’re opining on the motives of people who have different genitals than you have. I thought we weren’t allowed to do that? Shut your pie hole, please.
Also I think it’s due to the more generalised phenomenon of people tending to cut their friends a lot of slack and finding it hard to accept that someone you considered a friend is capable of doing awful things.
Well, all you guys seem to have no problem with it, indeed you have no problem psychoanalyzing me (conclusion: I am Hitler), so I’ll join you.
Well your lack of belief does not make it true, unfortunately. I would have been happy to simply never read anything by him again, at least a year ago (before he posted the porny confession) for many other reasons.
Hugo is still being linked and treated like a special snowflake in plenty of places. If Marcotte did something similar, genders reversed, she would be gunned down by rabid MRAS within a week.
The most people are calling for on Feministe, where the controversy broke, is that he cease to teach his chosen victim demographic.
Please note that not everyone is even calling for that.
“Bostonian, I just don’t believe that. I really don’t. In fact, I think it would pass without all that much incident.”
Oh look, there’s the persecution complex kicking in again. Get thee to a therapist, pronto.
(Jessica got backlash for minor decisions that some people didn’t agree with to do with her wedding, ffs, and for the cover design of one of her books. Other feminists are more than happy to criticize her when they think she’s doing something wrong.)
I’m actually fairly sure that the main conclusion of MRALysis so far is more that you need to get the hell out of here.
And that you’re almost entirely privilege-blind, but the first one would be easier for you to act on.
I’m listening to What the Hell by Avril Lavigne.
Godwin’d!
“The most people are calling for on Feministe, where the controversy broke, is that he cease to teach his chosen victim demographic.”
This seems like something he would have already done himself if he truly believed any of the things that he writes. Continuing to teach the demographic in question seems like an alcoholic deciding to work in a bar – it’s perfectly legal, but it’s probably not a good idea.
Oops, my previous post was meant to go to another forum. Sorry.
indeed you have no problem psychoanalyzing me (conclusion: I am Hitler)
Hey, you’re the one who said you have a persecution complex. I don’t go in for psychoanalysis particularly, but that seems pretty well-supported by evidence to me.
@MRAL
I’ve got a Scratch Acid compilation on. How is this relevant, exactly?
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If that’s in response to my post, then you’ve completely misread it. If it’s not then I’m even more baffled.
I think the people that give Hugo support are the ones who agree with his particular views on masculinity, and think that he will be instrumental in deconstructing traditional masculinity, and therefore that he is needed.
@Burgundy
Oh yea…silly me. I forgot about that. Also that for some reason it profits the males in government to deny male victims services because there’s something ingrained in male biology to protect women and do whatever we say. Even the fat ugly butch feminists. Forget about history and all that too, they were just protecting our lady brains from voting and education and anything that didn’t involve baby making. It was out of love that they told us we were too dumb to do anything else than housework. All the misogyny on the internet? Silly. That’s just their way of telling us how special we are! Also because all men want to protect women, they burned a bunch of them at the stake and invented torture devices to keep us from talking.
It all makes SO MUCH SENSE!
I’m MRAL hate feminists because he has mommy issues. I’ve known guys like him in shyness forums and they hated their mothers.
The funniest part of the MRAL saga is that his logic seems to go as follows.
1. I have a persecution complex, which I am aware of.
2. I feel like people are persecuting me.
3. Obviously those feelings of persecution are reasonable and correct, and in no way a result of my persecution complex.
4. The world is out to get me because I’m a man!
5. Did I mention that I have a persecution complex? This of course has no effect on my beliefs about men, women, and the relative status thereof.
I don’t have mommy issues at all.
MRAL, female feminists get called out by other feminists all the time.Jaclyn Friedman wrote a piece recently that was, to put it mildly, a bit racially clueless; she apologized for it and donated the money she got from writing it. Amanda Marcotte’s It’s a jungle out there book was originally illustrated with images from old comic books, some of which were racist; she apologized and removed the images from all future editions of her book. Some of her critics felt that she had crossed a line, and haven’t forgiven her for it.
Has there ever been anything like this, though? And again, what if it was a female prof sleeping with her male students?
MRAL, if you’re going to be angry at feminists as a group for whatever reason, can it least be about something we’re done, rather than something we’d totally do, I just know it?
[i]I said that of course this guy is a douche, and almost certainly a troll. But these upvoters don’t take the time to consider that- it’s someone sympathizing with men (for once) and even more krazy, criticizing women (for once). They upvote, move on.[/i]
Women never get criticized? Are you kidding me! Almost every post on Reddit, almost every video on YouTube that “shows” how stupid and inferior women are gets a million upvotes and a million yes-men comments.
How about the legacy of intellectuals from Aristotle to Burke to Schopenhauer to Wieninger to Spengler who condoned and objectified women, and how those doctrines have been used as a basis for “understanding” and treating women for centuries. And even now in the 21st century sexist assholes still vindicate these doctrines as profound truth.
You want to be insulted in the most cruel and demeaning ways just for existing? Be a woman on the internet. I doubt many men could handle having their precious egos marred by 1/10th of the shit people say about women online all of the time.
You want people to threaten to rape and kill you, and at times even blackmail you? Be a woman who writes feminist blogs.
If you don’t find any of this funny you are a feminist who needs to get a sense of humor.
Yeah. Women never get criticized. Ever. We live in a society that hates men.
@burgundy
Nailed ittt