Today in Did That Really Get 196 Upvotes on Reddit: A Redditor claiming to be the owner of a brothel in Thailand explains how what he euphemistically calls the “problems in the sex industry” are mostly the fault of evil, lazy whores. Literally.
Let’s join the discussion already in progress. (ChaChaKrahp is the alleged brothel owner.)
A little further on in the discussion he makes this charming claim:
According to him, sex trafficking isn’t really a big issue, but when it does occur it “is more likely to victimize men” than women. (The main victims in his mind being trafficked men (by which I assume he means transwomen) … and male sex tourists.)
Those poor, poor Western sex tourists, suffering so at the hands of women and girls who’ve been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery!
But let’s just put this whole “trafficking” thing out of our heads. As ChaChaKrahp explains it, prostitution in Thailand is just a way for lazy ladies to make money. It’s totally on the up and up – “[j]ust like college girls in the US that work as strippers for $300 per night instead of picking strawberries for $50 per day.”
The only real problem is all those evil ladies ripping off dudes.
Did that last bit sound a little … MRAish to you?
Though this discussion isn’t in the Men’s Rights subreddit., ChaChaKrahp shares a lot of opinions and obsessions with the MRA crowd, peppering the discussion with MRA talking points on everything from dangerous jobs and breast cancer funding to false rape accusations and paternity fraud. While he claims not to “give a shit about MRA groups,” he links to prominent Father’s Rights site fathersandfamilies.com, and rails endlessly about the evils of feminism. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
While ChaChaKrahp seems quite sincere in his beliefs, this is the Internet, and so there’s a chance that this “brothel owner” is not actually a brothel owner at all, just some dude making this all up for Reddit karma points and lulz.
Even if that’s the case, we still have all those hundreds of Redditors who read his comments and happily upvoted them, either because they thought what he said was sensible or true, or because the thought of owning a brothel in Thailand gave them boners.
The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?
(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this lovely thread.)
EDITED TO ADD: Brothel Owner under attack (by a few people)! Send in the r/mensrights upvote brigade to upvote him even more than he’s already being upvoted!!!
MRAL: There are feminist USIANs (not all are white and straight and middle class–though the feminist blogosphere largely is).
Here’s a NOT white straight middle class feminist criticizing Feministe/Jill F. on her handling of the Schwyzer situation:
http://lubiddu.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/open-letter-to-jill-filopovic/
Plus, asshole, there are feminist movements in all sorts of countries that are created by the women there:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Japanese+feministshttp://www.cddc.vt.edu/feminism/asia.html
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Saudi+Arabia+feminists#pq=saudi+arabia+feminists&hl=en&sugexp=pfwl&tok=7eNwh1q4SRpgt9vRSKiejw&cp=11&gs_id=19&xhr=t&q=Islamic+feminism&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=Islamis+fem&aq=0l&aqi=g-l4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=2303290c933ce3a0&biw=1024&bih=475
http://www.cddc.vt.edu/feminism/asia.html
Typical, your stone ignorance of the rest of the world.
@ Shadow
It caused quite the scandal when, a few years after his divorce, my ex’s father married his longtime maid (the family were fine with him sleeping with her, but marrying her was another thing entirely). That should give you a sense of the kind of people we’re talking about. It’s been more than 15 years and my ex’s mom still treats her ex-husband’s current wife like the maid.
(One of the many reasons I’m still fond of my ex is that he finds this totally unacceptable and has consistently tried to get his mom to knock it off.)
I’ve been a little boy, and you haven’t, so why don’t you shut your pie hole about things you don’t know anything about.
I propose a deal: we will shut our pie holes about things we don’t know anything about (despite things like knowing other men and boys, and reading peer-reviewed literature, and things like that) the very moment that you, never having been a woman or a feminist, shut your fucking trap about what we supposedly believe. How’s that?
Dare we ask MRAL what his childhood was like?
Well MRAL, I’ve been a little boy AND I’ve been a woman. Ergo, you shut YOUR pie hole 🙂
I said children (plural, not you). Like, do actual research. Your experience isn’t indicative of everyone’s experience, though I can tell by your comments throughout this blog that you’re not aware of that.
Have you ever read Carl Sagan’s The Fine Art of Baloney Detection? If not, give it a go. Your arguments would improve by an attempt to use sound reasoning, and then you could troll even better than now. Win-win.
Like Oliver Twist, I assume, but all the evil toffs, workhouse owners, etc, were feminists.
Plus, MRAL, you presumably have not been an African American little boy, or a gay little boy, or a bisexual little boy……….etc.
YOU are not the universal end all and be all, cupcake
Well, frankly I think my opinion is worth more than yours on this subject, because as said I have been a little boy. Furthermore, none of the other little boys I know were instilled with misogyny, and given our current society, it would seem to me that very few little boys are instilled with misogyny. Or if they are, they sure as hell forget that pretty quickly.
Also, I had a good childhood. I was a chubby happy kid.
@MRAL
I was raised in Western culture at roughly the same time you were (I’m 18 now), and I’ve been insecure about my looks. I’m socially awkward. I was once a little boy.
Remarkably, I don’t have a persecution complex or hate women. Perhaps none of those things are what leads these people to being an arses online? Never.
Also: you could be born tomorrow and you’d grow up experiencing a world where men were privileged, pillock.
Also, aren’t several of our male regulars around MRALs age? They seem to have taken quite different messages away from their shared boyhood experiences.
Ninjad by lowquacks.
My parents thought I was autistic until I was like 12 though, haha.
Oh those poor oppressed men, willingly hopping on a plane to Thailand and handing their money over to women they don’t know for sex! it’s not like they have any free will or are able to actively choose who they give their money to…no, that would be called personal responsibility and men apparently have none!
Damn those strippers too for physically FORCING men to go to strip clubs then actually physically taking money out of men’s pockets!!! it’s not like there’s free porn on the internet or anything.
Well I for one find it reprehensible that stores manipulate me out of my money. It’s not MY fault I spent $5000 on crap I don’t need, the store manipulated me and took my money!
I find it horrifyingly amusing that all it took for Hugo S. to be redeemed in MARL’s eyes was the porny confession of attempted murder of his exgirlfriend. I am not surprised though.
I don’t hate women. I do have something of a persecution complex, though I recognize it as a flaw, and I’m working on it.
Lurker here. You guys do such a great job counteracting all the sad, self-serving, privilege-blind comments that show up that I almost never have time to get mad. I read something moronic but before I even start to get angry I can just scroll down and see a ton of fantastic responses from people who actually have a grip on reality and have read (as burgundy pointed out) at LEAST the bare minimum when it comes to peer-reviewed studies.
Anyway, I’m sure there are tons of other lurkers out here enjoying this too…so thanks!
Additionally, I did all of this in The Feminazi Gynocractic States Of Vagino-Communist Australia, no less. Surely that’d be the place to really start hating women.
(A quick question: what exactly Paul Elam got against Australia? Even for him, he extraordinarly little actual content or reasoning behind why he thinks it’s some hellhole run by Evil Feminists)
Additionally, MRAL: I, too, was briefly thought to be autistic. I have an above-average IQ (not that I’m entirely convinced IQ means anything, and I wouldn’t have elected to take the test myself).
Wait, used “additionally” at the beginning of things twice. Not quite thinking straight today. Oops. Sorry.
Er, that has nothing to do with it Bostonian, and Schwyzer is NOT redeemed in my eyes. I still despise him. Just saying, his treatment as the hands of the fempire has been very telling re. their actual views on men. It’s not misandry, per se, but it’s a walloping double standard.
Statement assumes facts not in evidence.
Now get the fuck off to that charm school, where you will hopefully learn to be less of a little shit.
Except you, right? And since your experience is king, then I should extend that to other little boys and conclude they’re all as misogynist and clueless as you are?
I’d be amazed at your lack of desire to actually engage in reasonable argument, except I’ve seen it plenty of times before with other trolls-pretending-not-to-be-trolls-in-order-to-troll-more. You strung this little community along pretty good for a while, didn’t you? You must be proud of that. I’ve only ever seen that kind of thing in a couple of other communities, where the troll gets people to like him and then turns on them again. It takes a special kind of sociopathy to do something like that.
“I do have something of a persecution complex, though I recognize it as a flaw, and I’m working on it.”
By raging at women on a feminist website about how they’re persecuting you? That seems like the exact opposite of working on it.
MRAL: What changed your parents’ minds?