Today in Did That Really Get 196 Upvotes on Reddit: A Redditor claiming to be the owner of a brothel in Thailand explains how what he euphemistically calls the “problems in the sex industry” are mostly the fault of evil, lazy whores. Literally.
Let’s join the discussion already in progress. (ChaChaKrahp is the alleged brothel owner.)
A little further on in the discussion he makes this charming claim:
According to him, sex trafficking isn’t really a big issue, but when it does occur it “is more likely to victimize men” than women. (The main victims in his mind being trafficked men (by which I assume he means transwomen) … and male sex tourists.)
Those poor, poor Western sex tourists, suffering so at the hands of women and girls who’ve been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery!
But let’s just put this whole “trafficking” thing out of our heads. As ChaChaKrahp explains it, prostitution in Thailand is just a way for lazy ladies to make money. It’s totally on the up and up – “[j]ust like college girls in the US that work as strippers for $300 per night instead of picking strawberries for $50 per day.”
The only real problem is all those evil ladies ripping off dudes.
Did that last bit sound a little … MRAish to you?
Though this discussion isn’t in the Men’s Rights subreddit., ChaChaKrahp shares a lot of opinions and obsessions with the MRA crowd, peppering the discussion with MRA talking points on everything from dangerous jobs and breast cancer funding to false rape accusations and paternity fraud. While he claims not to “give a shit about MRA groups,” he links to prominent Father’s Rights site fathersandfamilies.com, and rails endlessly about the evils of feminism. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
While ChaChaKrahp seems quite sincere in his beliefs, this is the Internet, and so there’s a chance that this “brothel owner” is not actually a brothel owner at all, just some dude making this all up for Reddit karma points and lulz.
Even if that’s the case, we still have all those hundreds of Redditors who read his comments and happily upvoted them, either because they thought what he said was sensible or true, or because the thought of owning a brothel in Thailand gave them boners.
The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?
(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this lovely thread.)
EDITED TO ADD: Brothel Owner under attack (by a few people)! Send in the r/mensrights upvote brigade to upvote him even more than he’s already being upvoted!!!
Note – I am using the words “boy” and “he” because that was how the kid in question referred to himself.
Cannot be bothered to see how long MRAL made his flounce last this time-but I am so tired of teh “you got to admit they gotz some points” (Yeah, on their heads), that last time I copied my redux.
MRAL, you keep showing you, and not acknowledging how much your shit stinks, and the damage you’ve done, you’re gonna have to deal with this.
*****
http://manboobz.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-7/#comment-113318
MRAL: But it might be a more pleasant place overall without, well, you assholes.
Then WHY are you still here!
I don’t go read and post at MRA blogs or forums.
I don’t go read and post as feminist blogs I disagree with (and even besides Hugo’s, there are some).
All of us assholes would prefer if you went off to find some people you want to hang out with who might actually like hanging with you and stop playing the faux victim card here.
WHY don’t you stay away as you keep implying you will?
HINT: When I am tired of reading on the internet and want to go to bed, I just go–I don’t announce it everywhere–anybody who understands the basic internet knows you don’t have to announce every move. Announcing that you are LEAVING and then weaseling back and saying you just meant that thread is a dick move.
http://manboobz.com/2012/01/18/mras-and-children-first-the-spearhead-on-the-costa-concordia-disaster/comment-page-7/#comment-113322
MRAL: Ya know, if you weren’t who you are, I’d be willing to talk about the extent to which the post-capitalist consumer behemoth global corporations which are (to my perhaps jaundiced eyes) outweighing national governments in scope and power consider ALL FUCKING HUMAN BEING disposable.
TPTB don’t give a flying fuck about any of us.
The problem with having that discussion with you is that you’re so farking solipsistic and narcissistic that you don’t really give a damn about anybody but you: you don’t care about other men (you haven’t called the posters here you know are male Alpha Fucking Dicks that can recall–but that may have slipped my mind–so many trolls, so little originality, but you don’t exactly who any awareness of the very real oppressions that many men face in a kyriarchical system). You sure as hell don’t care about women who all have it better than you. You truly don’t see anybody here as real except yourself–I’m not sure I even buy the “oh poor me” lip quiver woobie act you’re trying to put on as reflecting anything other than “Q didn’t work to manipulate them, so let’s try C.”
No, you’re not a speshul snowflake deserving of all that is good.
Yes, life is fucking unfair.
Yes, most people around you probably don’t give a damn if you live or die–why should they? What have you ever done to make anybody care about whether you live or die?
So what’s fucking new about that situation? You think you’re fresh and original and edge because you come up with this tired old shit again…and….again….and….again?
Yeah, basically, I don’t think that’s what little boys are taught, Jessonian.
Also ithiliana, whipping out the “you’re privileged Western men” is fucking rich when it comes to feminism, the Patented Middle-Class Rich White Girl movement.
Are you fucking serious? MRAL, these dipshits are whining about women who work as prostitutes in countries where they are so socially and economically disadvantaged that solicitation is often their best if not only option.
Get the fuck outta here with that shit.
MRAL
just leave
Well, he managed to restrain himself from swearing for at least half a dozen posts, that’s unusual self restraint by MRAL standards. Doesn’t mean he’s being any more reasonable, though.
@ Valerie – Yeah, “influenced by poverty” was actually the bit that raised my socialist hackles the most. The MRA crap about how women exploit men by either having sex with them or not having sex with them, whichever, is boilerplate, but the shrugging off of class issues makes me very angry. That part is the clincher as far as knowing that the dude who wrote that isn’t actually Thai.
[quote]I think they’re pretty representative.[/quote]
MRAL’s misogyny strikes once again.
A group that’s mostly dudes is representative of the populace.
[quote]God forbid we discuss MRA “talking points”. Particularly since the politics of “trafficing” are filled with phoney statistics, it would just be ridiculous to talk about the issues without fedfem orthodoxy defining the parameters of allowed discourse.
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Ah, Mags, never change from your half hearted defenses. They’re so pathetic XD
mag: “”God forbid we discuss MRA “talking points”. ”
– Roughly half the women in the U.S who claim to be raped each year are lying whores. The number of men who are raped in prison each year is an undeniable fact.
– A feminist is by definition a bigot and therefore deserves every death and rape threat that comes her way. But I totally do not endorse violence or rape.
– Women’s suffrage has led to the downfall of Western civilization.
– America is somehow a gynocracy where women are in charge and men are victims of oppression
– Being hazed in the military is just like being raped
– The courts are biased against men, so we are justified in freeing guilty rapists
– The sex industry, which largely runs on the abuse and enslavement of women, is somehow women’s fault.
Did I miss any important ones?”
Not that I have any reason to believe that this dude is Thai, but that kind of statement can very easily come from someone born and raised in Thailand. The utter ignorance of the privileged, when surround only by the privileged, is astounding. You get the same kind of idiocy coming from many other third-worlders who are well off.
I said they were representative of young guys, you idiot.
From a bar owner, though? The class that you’re talking about (and yeah, I’ve met them, in fact my ex is from another part of SE Asia and most of his family are part of the class you’re talking about) don’t tend to own and operate brothels, and least not at a level where they’d have any interaction with the workers.
Look, I’m not defending this stuff or anything, but…sit quietly while I defend this stuff.
Don’t get me wrong Davy cakes, I don’t agree with the jackass either. I just find intellectually dishonest to try to associate his kind of thinking on MRA’s and /r/mensrights.
MRAL: excommunicate men from their girls’ club for failing to be perfect princes at all times (re. Schwyzer).
Are YOU, Mr. Trolls Hugo’s blog and continually complaining about how rotten he is, SYMPATHIZING with Schwyzer? (Who, btw, has not been excommunicated by a number of feminist blogs, most specifically Jezebel, and Pandagon). other feminist blogs are speaking more against him because HELLO feminists are not a hive mind.
BUT YOU??? Complaining about how Schwyzer has been treated!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Priceless.
@Crumbelievable
Yeah, it pretty much looks like you missed them all.
The fact that feminist blogs are not disavowing Schwyzer, the attempting murder rapist is actually quite stunning.
I only trolled his blog once.
@mags
What about all his examples of terrible things from those sites besides this? Should we just ignore them all?
Social conditioning and programming rather than outright teaching (in most cases), but yeah, they are. Like I said, talk to some actual children and decide for yourself.
No, you said they were representative.
This time you at least managed your jackassery without referencing your newest pet ‘theory’, so brava.
You contradicted yourself. Also, last I checked, equal pay and equal employment affect everyone, among many others. Also, just to remind you, even if everything you just said were absolutely true, they’d still be less privileged than you, since your biggest problem remains your absolute lack of social skills. Go to charm school and stop trolling us.
I’ve always ignored Schwyzer. What in kittens are you babbling about, and is this related to your chronic illiteracy?
I would be interested to know what important MRA talking points are then, because apparently people like Paul Elam and W.F Price don’t focus on any.
@ Rutee
Now I have an image of MRAL attempting to walk with a book on his head and learn how to properly consume tea in my head, since my brain initially scanned your comment as “finishing school”. For this I thank you.
@CassandraSays
Oh no, I completely agree with you that the post seems phoney. I was just responding to the “isn’t actually Thai” to say that there are people that clueless to be found in the 3rd world countries themselves (and you seem to have similar exposure as me, not an ex but an ex-aunt)
Well, I still disagree, Jessonian. I don’t know what you want me to say? You’re just wrong. I’ve been a little boy, and you haven’t, so why don’t you shut your pie hole about things you don’t know anything about.