Today in Did That Really Get 196 Upvotes on Reddit: A Redditor claiming to be the owner of a brothel in Thailand explains how what he euphemistically calls the “problems in the sex industry” are mostly the fault of evil, lazy whores. Literally.
Let’s join the discussion already in progress. (ChaChaKrahp is the alleged brothel owner.)
A little further on in the discussion he makes this charming claim:
According to him, sex trafficking isn’t really a big issue, but when it does occur it “is more likely to victimize men” than women. (The main victims in his mind being trafficked men (by which I assume he means transwomen) … and male sex tourists.)
Those poor, poor Western sex tourists, suffering so at the hands of women and girls who’ve been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery!
But let’s just put this whole “trafficking” thing out of our heads. As ChaChaKrahp explains it, prostitution in Thailand is just a way for lazy ladies to make money. It’s totally on the up and up – “[j]ust like college girls in the US that work as strippers for $300 per night instead of picking strawberries for $50 per day.”
The only real problem is all those evil ladies ripping off dudes.
Did that last bit sound a little … MRAish to you?
Though this discussion isn’t in the Men’s Rights subreddit., ChaChaKrahp shares a lot of opinions and obsessions with the MRA crowd, peppering the discussion with MRA talking points on everything from dangerous jobs and breast cancer funding to false rape accusations and paternity fraud. While he claims not to “give a shit about MRA groups,” he links to prominent Father’s Rights site fathersandfamilies.com, and rails endlessly about the evils of feminism. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
While ChaChaKrahp seems quite sincere in his beliefs, this is the Internet, and so there’s a chance that this “brothel owner” is not actually a brothel owner at all, just some dude making this all up for Reddit karma points and lulz.
Even if that’s the case, we still have all those hundreds of Redditors who read his comments and happily upvoted them, either because they thought what he said was sensible or true, or because the thought of owning a brothel in Thailand gave them boners.
The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?
(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this lovely thread.)
EDITED TO ADD: Brothel Owner under attack (by a few people)! Send in the r/mensrights upvote brigade to upvote him even more than he’s already being upvoted!!!
Kate: The videos I most recently posted were Kylie Minogue’s “Better the Devil You Know,” Lady Gaga’s live performance of “Speechless” at the Vevo Launch, and Natalie Portman’s SNL Digital Short rap.
Mine:
Gary Numan – Cars
Simone et Pop-Hip – Trop Bonne Pour Toi
Violent Femmes – Color Me Once
The Damned – I Think I’m Wonderful
The Magnetic Fields – Love is Like a Bottle of Gin
The Dresden Dolls – Girl Anachronism
mral thinks women being murdered is kinda meh, and women dying in an accident is a gift from god, but thinks fictional men dying in movies is the worst thing that has ever happened in the entire universe. Sounds like somebody has some double standards XD
Oh, man, his posts on Schwyzer earlier in the thread. The attempted murder doesn’t even register. He’s like, whatever, sometimes you go on a bender and do crazy shit, and maybe you kill one of those things that are kind of human-shaped except they have boobs, what’s the big deal? It’s not like a person would get hurt, right?
Then he’s back to whining about how great women are treated, with no apparent sense of irony. I just read this whole thread in one sitting, and I’ve never been so close to physically punching the screen.
“Maneater” was on the radio when I was about four, and I loved it because I thought it was about a woman who literally ate men. I pictured her as a werewolf.
MRAL makes a grandiose claim for this discussion: We’re having (more like I’m having, while you babble) an intellectual discussion about men’s role in feminist discourse.
I’m bored during lunch and decide to test that claim: that HE is having an intellectual discussion while the rest of us “babble.” (Of course that means, he’s having an intellectual discussion with himself, but hey, that’s the person he relates best to).
So as of 11:45 my time, here are his posts (no links because moderating HELL), cut and pasted with headers. (3 comments since I did my count, lucking not MRAL whew).
Total post count (as of now): 500.
Total MRAL post count: 63 (57 actual text posts, the rest vids, some with text, which I didn’t try to reproduce).
First, let us define terms: what “intellectual” mean:
Wikipedia talks about the intellectual class, and gives a history and some good examples: :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual
MRAL is using it as a modifier for discussion, not as a person (though his impliation is that HE is the INTELLECTUAL–also, see Radiohead later, he is DEEP) while the rest of us are shallow babbling fluffy idiots.
Intellectal is defined by Webster’s as:
Intellect is defied as:
So, I will now categorize MRAL’s posts in regard to their dominant rhetorical mode which I’m making up right here (although I can talk about logos, ethos, pathos if you all would like :> XD).
1. INTELLECTUAL (hint just saying “I think” is not inherently intellectual!)
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
4. INSULTING
5. CURSING
6. SPECULATION
7. TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN
We will see what percentage of his posts count as WHICH. Some may of course count twice. We will keep an overall score: the lowest the better!
BEGIN:
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I think they’re pretty representative. There’s a lot of resentment toward feminism, demonization of men (within feminism and general society), and the subsequent implication that men have it so good/women don’t, when that clearly is not true. One of the ways this resentment manifests is upvoted bile like the OP, misogynistic YouTube comments, etc.
Of course the OP’s crap, and I don’t think, if most of these 200-odd guys thought about it, they’d upvote it. But the internet is not conducive to deep thinking, so they see a view that sympathizes with men for once (as opposed to the endless parade of Women’s XXX) and they upvote, move on.
You can make fun of me, call me a piece of shit or a twisted vile woman hater as you’re all wont to do, but I’m just giving you what I think is the truth. And unlike the more overt ultra-misogynistic MRA hilarity, this resentment is, IMO, widespread. You can think on it, or just make fun of it.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
4. INSULTING
5. CURSING
SCORE: 11
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Well I wouldn’t take it as far as the MRAs do, obviously, but I think there is a growing, and already significant, misandrist element to society- or at the least, a sort of male indifference. Especially to men who aren’t the traditional ideal (which is most guys on Reddit.) I think a lot of them do not feel valued by society. This is their response, piddling as it is.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Jessonian, I don’t think that, because most of Reddit’s community are young guys, as in twenties or even my age and younger. The rub with them is, they have never known a world in which women were disadvantaged- I think (and this is extrapolation, I admit) a lot of them feel the opposite. I don’t think it’s a huge thing that defines their life… but I do think, in a lot of these guys’ minds, it’s a sort of background resentment, white noise or whatever. And again, some of it manifests online.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
TOTAL: 5
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I said that of course this guy is a douche, and almost certainly a troll. But these upvoters don’t take the time to consider that- it’s someone sympathizing with men (for once) and even more krazy, criticizing women (for once). They upvote, move on.
4. INSULTING
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Well, Crum, there are a hell of a lot of guys- intelligent guys, guys that have problems, guys with more problems than women- who do not feel that way. Think on it.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Well, feminism (sort of) has the power to end this background noise, but they choose to continue to demonize men, refer to them as oppressors, discuss women’s shit ad naseum, excommunicate men from their girls’ club for failing to be perfect princes at all times (re. Schwyzer). Fuck feminism.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
5. CURSING
TOTAL: 7
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I think there are hardly any middle-aged men on Reddit. Maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt it. It is extremely skewed toward young, technogeek dudes.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:04 pm
I’m not trolling. I do not like Schwyzer, of course, but the way he’s been crucified is extremely telling. What if Marcotte or Valenti admitted to sleeping with their students? What if they had Schwyzer’s full history? If you think the outrage would have been anywhere near this level, you’re fucking dreaming.
5. CURSING
6. SPECULATION
TOTAL: 11
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:08 pmYeah, basically, I don’t think that’s what little boys are taught, Jessonian.
Also ithiliana, whipping out the “you’re privileged Western men” is fucking rich when it comes to feminism, the Patented Middle-Class Rich White Girl movement.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
5. CURSING
TOTAL: 8
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:17 pm
I said they were representative of young guys, you idiot.
4. INSULTING
7. TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN
TOTAL: 11
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:24 pm
I only trolled his blog once.
7. TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Well, I still disagree, Jessonian. I don’t know what you want me to say? You’re just wrong. I’ve been a little boy, and you haven’t, so why don’t you shut your pie hole about things you don’t know anything about.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
4. INSULTING
TOTAL: 7
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Well, frankly I think my opinion is worth more than yours on this subject, because as said I have been a little boy. Furthermore, none of the other little boys I know were instilled with misogyny, and given our current society, it would seem to me that very few little boys are instilled with misogyny. Or if they are, they sure as hell forget that pretty quickly.
Also, I had a good childhood. I was a chubby happy kid.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:38 pm
My parents thought I was autistic until I was like 12 though, haha.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:40 pm
I don’t hate women. I do have something of a persecution complex, though I recognize it as a flaw, and I’m working on it.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
7. TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN
TOTAL: 10
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Er, that has nothing to do with it Bostonian, and Schwyzer is NOT redeemed in my eyes. I still despise him. Just saying, his treatment as the hands of the fempire has been very telling re. their actual views on men. It’s not misandry, per se, but it’s a walloping double standard.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
TOTAL: 5
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Eventually my mommy took me to a shrink, turned out I was just shy. I could have told them that, of course, but in this day and age you need a doctor for everything, I guess.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:51 pm
I wasn’t special needs or anything, and it’s not like the teachers ever said anything so far as I know. It was just a hunch my mommy had, and it turned out to be wrong.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 9:54 pm
So you think this has NOTHING to do with Schwyzer being male?
0 NULL: ASKING QUESTION
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Right, if this was Valenti- and she had done the same shit, with the genders reversed- you think there would be a similar reaction?
I mean, I like it in a sense, because it’s distracting him from male-bashing. But it’s hilarious how well it illustrates the double standards.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
6. SPECULATION
TOTAl: 8
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Bostonian, I just don’t believe that. I really don’t. In fact, I think it would pass without all that much incident.
6. SPECULATION
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Well, all you guys seem to have no problem with it, indeed you have no problem psychoanalyzing me (conclusion: I am Hitler), so I’ll join you.
4. INSULTING
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:11 pm
I’m listening to What the Hell by Avril Lavigne.
0: NULL OFF TOPIC
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Oops, my previous post was meant to go to another forum. Sorry.
0: NULL OFF TOPIC
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:17 pm
I don’t have mommy issues at all.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Has there ever been anything like this, though? And again, what if it was a female prof sleeping with her male students?
0: NULL. QUESTION
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Boggi, I say again, the internet misogyny is a result of young men who feel marginalized by mainstream society.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
6. SPECULATION
TOTAL: 9
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:32 pm
It’s not that men can’t be criticized; so can women (although the fyms will phreak out if you try this). But there’s a- I think indifference is the right word, misandry is a bit too strong- a sort of indifference to men. How many fucking Women’s Blah Blah Blah do we have?
4. INSULTING
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:37 pm
And meh. I didn’t really think Schwyzer’s attempted murder-suicide post, 15-odd years after the fact, was that big of a deal. He got super fucked up and wanted to die, but changed his mind later. Honestly, I totally get that. Not that I’ve ever tried to kill myself, but once I got really, really, really high on some edibles- WAY over the line- and it was a nightmarish experience. I still smoke weed, but I’m much more careful now. This is a few years back. I remember walking around in the snow, barefoot, with a T-shirt on, and I had a burning urge to rip my nose off my face with pliers in the garage. At the same time (it was like a split personality) I was terrified I was going to actually do it. Then I punched myself in the face like five times, and passed out.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Okay, he wanted to murder someone, and changed his mind. I’m not trying to gloss anything over.
7. TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:43 pm
It’s very strange. I have very different feelings regarding racial inequalities, xenophobia, gay rights, all that stuff… namely, I have no problem with them. I’ll fully cop to being a privileged white straight American.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Right, not that it shouldn’t be objectionable. But my point is that being really under the influence is fucking crazy. You are not in your right mind, to say the least. Now, the fact that he was taking all that shit is his fault, but at the same time, I don’t see how it can be spun as anything other than extreme irresponsibility.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Schwyzer got so much hate mail he posted IP addresses of a bunch of people. Kind of shoots down that theory, Pecunium.
1. INTELLECTUAL (hint just saying “I think” is not inherently intellectual!)
OMG: A FACT! AN ACTUAL FACT WHICH CAN BE CHECKED! WOOT! Nothing really done with it, but hey, MRAL’s batting pretty badly so far, so I’ll give him this one.
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:52 pm
No, I still hate him, but looking at it objectively- and treating Hugo as a prototypical Male Feminist, ignoring his individual views- this is pretty pathetic, e-witch hunting of the highest order.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
4. INSULTING
Total: 6
PROTIP: Saying I hate him, but I am looking at things objectively is FAIL AT INTELLECT.
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:56 pm
No, Pecunium, Marcotte said:
“[People who defend the Duke lacrosse players are] rape-loving scum.”
“Can’t a few white boys sexually assault a black woman anymore without people getting all wound up about it? So unfair.”
This is after the hoax was basically exposed, by the way. And she never apologized. Frankly, I think she should have gotten a lot more grief.
ACTUALLY! This is a perfect example of the double standards. Why wasn’t she scourged?
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
[NOTE: MRAL thinks a woman should be beaten with a multi-thong whip used to inflict MAJOR INJURY AND PAIN, BUT HE IS RESPCTFUL OF ALL LIFE. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scourge%5D
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Gainsbourg has never been high, apparently.
6. SPECULATION
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Pecunium said:
(you know the woman who kept her internet persona neuter for years, because that way she didn’t get the hate mail and the death threats)
implies that she didn’t disclose her gender because females get more such threats, which is untrue- look at Schwyzer. Not that he didn’t deserve it, but, you know.
???: He tries to contradict Pecunium, but the ONE MALE FEMINIST got lots of hate mail is not quite the same as ALL MEN ARE AT RISK FOR HATE MAIL online the same way women are (not even feminists–i.e. see Kathy Sierra). So it’s a FAILED intellectual attempt, but I guess I can give partial credit.
.5 INTELLECTUAL
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Why everyone thinks this is the MRAL Show is beyond me. We’re having (more like I’m having, while you babble) an intellectual discussion about men’s role in feminist discourse.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
4. INSULTING
TOTAL: 7
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Yeah, Pink is fucking hot, I’d pound her in a second.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 23, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Look, I guess we’d just disagree. I don’t find his story to be that big of a deal. On the other hand, I do find him to be a misandrist, so I suppose being excommunicated from feminism can only be a good thing. Less male-bashing. So screw it. I don’t know why I’ve gotten so invested, I don’t like the guy. Go ahead and mob him.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
4. INSULTING
5. CURSING
6. SPECULATION
TOTAL: 17
NEXT FOUR: VIDS
NULL
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 12:10 am
Most of this shit is crap. Listen to some real music, like the stuff I posted, the work of actual artists.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
5. CURSING
TOTAL: 8
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 12:31 am
On the one hand, we have pandering fluff that takes no effort to discern and understand. On the other (mine) we have thought-provoking classical or neoclassical art that takes a sophisticated mind. I know which one I’m going for.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
7. TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN
TOTAL: 10
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 1:00 am
Lady Gaga- ugly (oh wait, forgot it was only women/Cassandra allowed to say this)
Nicki Minaj- all plastic.
Rihanna- Eh. She doesn’t really push my buttons. I like pale women.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
4. INSULTING
TOTAL: 6
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 1:03 am
Lady Gaga isn’t really ugly, just comparatively. My point stands, I’m not especially attracted to any of them.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 1:06 am
Quackers, this is the site where women talk about how they don’t like Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp. I seriously don’t think Rihanna is that hot.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 1:09 am
That’s right, no one is attracted to me. I am aware of that.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
2 vids NULL
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 1:39 am
Quackers, I am not saying I wouldn’t have sex with Lady Gaga, even though I don’t find her attractive.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 1:50 am
Hahaha, I like the way she does the “oh you” gesture when 3OH!3 says “Double D’s”
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 1:59 am
More slanderousness. I value all life.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
7. TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN
TOTAL: 9
NOTE: AHAHAHAH! Except uppity feminists who should be scourged! And drowned! For never giving MRAL what he wants.
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 2:05 am
I EXPLAINED that. I didn’t mean the disaster itself.
7. TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 2:23 am
Yeah, I don’t find black women attractive. Whoops, I’m racist, I guess?
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 2:28 am
Oh well. I feel like being as picky as Cassandra. Since I’m not getting any anyway I might as well. Pale skin is beautiful. I also like really blue eyes, and moderately big breasts, but not Christina Hendricks big, that’s too much. Between 5’4 and 5’7. AND dark hair. I prefer dark brown but black is ok. Blonde is ugly.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 2:30 am
Right, Lady Gaga doesn’t have 50% of the audience, that’s why she’s the #1 pop star. I’ll tell you what’s going on. She’s comparatively unattractive, and knows it, so she goes for the whole insane woman shtick to kind of make herself about something else.
4. INSULTING
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 2:39 am
Well, Cassandra, she could always just remove the silicone.
6. SPECULATION
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 3:00 am
No, it’s more extreme for men. Ugly men are losers and that’s it, basically.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
4. INSULTING
TOTAL: 9
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 9:36 am
Women get speaking engagements all the fucking time, especially if they’re rich white girls, more false victimization. Look at Valenti. Nice to see that people want to deny me employment based on gender, tho.
2. EMOTIONAL (his or others)
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
4. INSULTING
5. CURSING
6. SPECULATION
TOTAL: 20 THE WINNAH
Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 24, 2012 at 10:28 am
Also, I don’t think Schwyzer is much of a “Nice White Dude” face for feminism. He’s hardcore, he’s a misandrist, he has double standards, bashes men, etc. Jessica Valenti is a more moderate face, and she’s still pretty hardcore.
The racism accusations don’t really bother me, because I can fart the wrong way and you guys will call racism. So, fuck off.
3. PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others)
4. INSULTING
5. CURSING
TOTAL: 12
_______________________________________________________
LIST OF POST SCORES:
11
3
5
4
2
7
3
11
8
11
7
7
3
3
10
5
3
3
0
2
8
6
4
0
0
3
0
9
4
3
7
2
3
1
6
2
6
0.5
7
2
17
0
0
0
0
8
10
6
3
3
2
0
0
3
2
9
7
3
2
4
6
9
20
12
TOTA: 307.5
Divided by 57 (text posts)=5.4 average
10: NULL posts (0)
0.5 INTELLECTUAL SORT OF HALF ASSED)
1 INTELLECTUAL (1)
8: EMOTIONAL (2)
13: PERSONAL EXPERIENCE (his or others) (3)
4. INSULTING (4)
2. CURSING (2)
7 SPECULATION (6)
6 TRYING TO EXPLAIN WHAT HE MEANT WHICH HE DOES OFTEN (7)
8-9 (combinations of above) 6
10-11-12 (combinations of above) 6
17 & 20 MONDO COMBINATIONS: THE WINNAHS
The rest of you can figure out median and such if you want.
My preliminary analysis of the data is that in fact MRAL is not able to frame the vast majority of his posts intellectually.
He relies much more on expressions of emotion, personal experience, speculation, and (less than I thought, he’s getting better) personal insults and cursing.
NOT an intellectual in any way shape or form.
Well now that lunch is over, I have to go rewrite an essay and work on a talk I’m giving this weekend (RAY BRADBURY!!). Of course writing essays and talking about Ray Bradbury is not in the least intellectual since I have lady bits! *smirks*
Cheers!
I missed the “I know what Hugo’s going through, because I got high once” post.
It’s interesting (and not just with MRAL) to see the quick-reversal the MRM is doing on Schwyzer. It’s been about a one-week turnaround from “evil gender traitor!!!” to “poor dear, the meanie feminists just hate him because he’s a man.”
“Women get speaking engagements all the fucking time, especially if they’re rich white girls, more false victimization. Look at Valenti. Nice to see that people want to deny me employment based on gender, tho.”
Oh dear, MRAL is turning into NWO.
It is becoming more apparent that MARL is the larval stage of an NWO.
It’s been about a one-week turnaround from “evil gender traitor!!!” to “poor dear, the meanie feminists just hate him because he’s a man.”
-And I’m worried Hugo’s gonna really enjoy that, and won’t have any trouble adapting to a new audience, not explicitly mra, no, but definitely anybody open to the “feminists are meanies and turn on men who just wanna help” message.
Oh, snap, MRAL! Ithiliana just broke it down for you, son. Read it and weep. Or whine, or have a tantrum, as you do.
Oh look, of course the Reddit MRAs completely missed the point of ChaCha’s misogynistic rant. What a surprise.
Someone tell me how the following makes sense, please?
Hugo Schwyzer: I hate him because he makes me feel bad, but I feel like you guys are making waaaay to big a deal about his almost murdering someone. Cut the guy a little slack, he was high. I mean, cut him slack about the murder thing. Not the making me feel bad. That shit’s pretty unforgivable.
MRAL, is it okay if he was high when he was writing posts you considered misandric?
Too* big a deal, not to big a deal. I’m going to blame that one on the phone >_>
The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?
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Does feminism attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily FAT, male, geek demographic because they see sucking up to THE most self centered, egotistical, vain, arrogant females to ever walk the planet ala Stockholm Syndrome as their only chance of not dying virgins or is it how most of these guys really think?
Oh joy. Another MRAL thread. It’s the only thing that can make me glad that I have to attend a boring and pointless meeting right now.
Remember MRAL: only *you* can prevent narcissism.
Oh my gosh, there are FAT people involved in feminism? Well, that’s the last straw. I’m going to have to renounce the whole philosophy.
ANYTHING BUT THE GEEKS
Oh wait…I am a geek.
SHIT WHAT DO I DO
(Kate: That video is the “One of Us” scene from Freaks.)
I don’t even understand EWME. I think he typed something wrong but literally the only part of that post I understood was where he called us (or Redditors? or male feminists?) FAT.
Yes, EWME, some people are big and some people are small. Tomorrow we will work on colors, and the names of animals.
A Freaks reference! I love that movie!
“Does feminism attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily FAT, male, geek demographic because they see sucking up to THE most self centered, egotistical, vain, arrogant females to ever walk the planet ala Stockholm Syndrome as their only chance of not dying virgins or is it how most of these guys really think?”
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
@Nobinayamu
Mad jealous, I missed The Roots when they came down to TO, and I don’t think Jean’s ever made it up here. I did catch Mos in concert, though his material was concentrated around True Magic so I was disappointed. Don’t remember ever hearing of Tiye Phoenix but she is type nice on the mic! Also, judging by the photo, she’s another model-gorgeous rapper that went the b-girl way instead of the sex symbol way. BTW, if you recommend any other dope, current female emcees that do the fierce lyricism or lyrical bragaddocio thing I’d love to hear them. My library only consists of Grae, Psalm One and Rah Digga so it’s woefully thin.
I see the malempire struck back. Unsurprisingly underwhelming.
*if you can recommend
@Crumbelievable
To be fair, many psychologists have heard diagnose that words dance but harder to voices in hardest.
Shaenon, I’m not saying that what Schwyzer did wasn’t really terrible, he tried to kill someone, and I recognize that. Only that, I don’t think it’s the same thing as premeditated murder, or whatever. I get how it could happen. I think it’s something that can be moved past.
Again, though, I hate him, so I don’t care. I would love it if he left the blogosphere,
@zhinxy: oh, no worries, that boat sailed long ago. Hugo makes a big point of trying to “bridge the gap” (or something) between MRA’s and feminists. He think Glenn Sacks is a swell dude, even if the have gentlemanly disagreements. And so on.
What a coincidence, MRAL…
Oh, misread, I thought you said “I don’t hate him, so I don’t care.” Point being “don’t care, would like you to Goe Away now.” Sound familiar?