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Upvoted on Reddit: “The problems in the sex [tourism] industry are mostly women’s fault.”

Today in Did That Really Get 196 Upvotes on Reddit: A Redditor claiming to be the owner of a brothel in Thailand explains how what he euphemistically calls the “problems in the sex industry” are mostly the fault of evil, lazy whores. Literally.

Let’s join the discussion already in progress. (ChaChaKrahp is the alleged brothel owner.)

A little further on in the discussion he makes this charming claim:

According to him, sex trafficking isn’t really a big issue, but when it does occur it  “is more likely to victimize men” than women. (The main victims in his mind being trafficked men (by which I assume he means transwomen)  … and male sex tourists.)

Those poor, poor Western sex tourists, suffering so at the hands of women and girls who’ve been kidnapped and sold into sex slavery!

But let’s just put this whole “trafficking” thing out of our heads. As ChaChaKrahp explains it, prostitution in Thailand is just a way for lazy ladies to make money. It’s totally on the up and up – “[j]ust like college girls in the US that work as strippers for $300 per night instead of picking strawberries for $50 per day.”

The only real problem is all those evil ladies ripping off dudes.

Did that last bit sound a little … MRAish to you?

Though this discussion isn’t in the Men’s Rights subreddit., ChaChaKrahp shares a lot of opinions and obsessions with the MRA crowd, peppering the discussion with MRA talking points on everything from dangerous jobs and breast cancer funding to  false rape accusations and paternity fraud. While he claims not to “give a shit about MRA groups,” he links to prominent Father’s Rights site fathersandfamilies.com, and rails endlessly about the evils of feminism. He walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

While ChaChaKrahp seems quite sincere in his beliefs, this is the Internet, and so there’s a chance that this “brothel owner” is not actually a brothel owner at all, just some dude making this all up for Reddit karma points and lulz.

Even if that’s the case, we still have all those hundreds of Redditors who read his comments and happily upvoted them, either because they thought what he said was sensible or true, or because the thought of owning a brothel in Thailand gave them boners.

The question remains: does Reddit attract the worst representatives of those in its heavily young, male, geek demographic, or is this how most of these (mostly) guys really think — even if they don’t usually say so out loud?

(Thanks to ShitRedditSays for pointing me to this lovely thread.)

EDITED TO ADD: Brothel Owner under attack (by a few people)! Send in the r/mensrights upvote brigade to upvote him even more than he’s already being upvoted!!!

 

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Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

Oh sure, no serious harm done. It’s not like anyone got turned down for a date or called short or anything. Shit like that you can’t go back from.

Shaenon
9 years ago

MRAL, did you do my assignment? Don’t come back here until you’ve done my assignment. And no, I don’t care about how you have a harder life than a black guy because women don’t telepathically figure out you want to date them. Go talk to a live person.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

“I think I, personally, have it worse than most black dudes on the whole, sure, but me being white is one individual advantage I will definitely admit to.”

This bullshit woke me from my lurking tomb.
Can this child just be banned so we can put a stake in this nonsense once and for all?

katz
9 years ago

But if he’s not around to admit to privileges, how will we know if privileges exist?

Joanna
9 years ago

“I think I, personally, have it worse than most black dudes on the whole, sure, but me being white is one individual advantage I will definitely admit to.”

Do people chase you down the streets in white sheets and threatening to curb stomp you?

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Shaenon I really don’t want to show anyone my posts on Manboobz.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

I think I, personally, have it worse than most black dudes on the whole, sure, but me being white is one individual advantage I will definitely admit to

You are a white, middle-class man, going to BU!!! WTF makes you think that a majority of black men (or POCs in general) are better off than you?!!! Seriously, WTF is wrong with you?

burgundy
burgundy
9 years ago

Shaenon, for what it’s worth, the Austin poly scene is remarkably light on the fat bearded nerds. Nerds, yes, absolutely, and a fair number of beards or other facial hair configurations, but surprisingly few fat guys (fat women seem to be more common, although they don’t have beards.) I don’t know if that’s an Austin-specific thing, or if poly is expanding beyond its original constituency, or what.

The basic point still holds though, in that there doesn’t seem to be much correlation between how conventionally attractive someone is and how many partners they have.

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

I thought he called the police himself and asked for assistance because he didn’t have the strength or will or whatever to turn the gas off. Maybe I’m misremembering?

Dude, he ever says in the article that they could have easily died from the gas and not only them but a lot of other people if there had been an explosion. Who cares that he changed his mind later? This wasn’t a case of him “thinking about” doing something like you claim this was a case of him actually doing this really horrible thing. Attempted murder, in case you forgot. But to you this is “no big deal”. Didn’t you say you were going to stop trolling at some point? Or was that someone else?

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

Shaenon I really don’t want to show anyone my posts on Manboobz.

Whyever not?

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

So what, all black guys have it worse than all white guys? I’m the first to admit to racial privilege as one of many privileges, but overall, I call bullshit.

burgundy
burgundy
9 years ago

Oh come on, people – on the one hand, you’ve got better access to educational resources, preferential treatment in hiring, reduced likelihood of being targeted by law enforcement, not having people lock their doors/clutch their purses tighter/ otherwise respond in racist ways to your very presence… and on the other hand, you have the well-known fact that black men have big penises. Which women just love. I don’t see why you have to jump over MRAL like that.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

I think I, personally, have it worse than most black dudes on the whole, sure, but me being white is one individual advantage I will definitely admit to.

Do you even read what you write? Or do you just freestyle your posts and then suddenly realise that you can’t talk or walk because you’re fucking chewing on your ankles!

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

So what, all black guys have it worse than all white guys? I’m the first to admit to racial privilege as one of many privileges, but overall, I call bullshit.

All black guys have it worse in the area of race.

A rich black guy may have many advantages over a poor white guy, but “being the privileged race in America” is still not one of those advantages.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

“Oh come on, people – on the one hand, you’ve got better access to educational resources, preferential treatment in hiring, reduced likelihood of being targeted by law enforcement, not having people lock their doors/clutch their purses tighter/ otherwise respond in racist ways to your very presence… and on the other hand, you have the well-known fact that black men have big penises. Which women just love. I don’t see why you have to jump over MRAL like that.”

Yeah guys, it’s science. MRAL knows, he has a high IQ.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

@Holly

Absolutely. I take umbrage at his usage of “most”.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Example: Henry Louis Gates Jr. getting arrested for “breaking in” to his own house.

Here’s a black man with a lot of social advantages–fancy education, published works, high-status job, presumably pretty rich, nice house in Cambridge–and he’s still the color that makes cops think “oh no a criminal” instead of “that man is having trouble with his door.”

Other privileges can certainly ease the day-to-day hardship of racism for an individual, but they can never erase it.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Holly, I agree, being white is one universal advantage. That doesn’t mean that all knee-grows have it worse than all crackers. And yet everyone is treating my claim like some sort of hilarious Louis CK routine.

PS- It’s hilarious because all these “racist reactions” (re. “clutch your purse tighter”), is something feminists actually love to defend, so long as it’s gendered and not racial.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

I actually have a big penis myself, so that’s one thing they don’t have over me.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

>>I think I, personally, have it worse than most black dudes on the whole, sure

So yeah. I just read another article on the prison industrial complex reminding me that in America, roughly half of the black men population will be *incarcerated* sometime in their life time.

Fuck. You.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

Holly, I agree, being white is one universal advantage. That doesn’t mean that all knee-grows have it worse than all crackers.

Okay seriously go fuck yourself.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

As Schwyzer would say “that’s their own damn fault.”

(Oops, is that racist? Don’t be misandrist, then. The vast majority of those blacks incarcerated, responded to with fear, etc., are male, btw.)

Snowy
Snowy
9 years ago

Uh, knee-grows? Yeah no that’s not racist at all.

/sarcasm

burgundy
burgundy
9 years ago

Ok, MRAL, explain yourself then. What is it about your life that makes it worse than “most” black men’s?

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

You know those people you said didn’t want to be to be? The racist, sexist halfwit fucks that troll this blog on the regular? You’re fucking there, dude.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Well, if you’re not trying to erase racism with your comments, then you’re just stating the bloody obvious.

Claiming “every black man has it worse in every way than every white man” is silly and no one here has done that.

Shaenon
9 years ago

Shaenon I really don’t want to show anyone my posts on Manboobz.

I didn’t ask you to show her your posts. I asked her to discuss one of the opinions you’ve been sharing here with a real person you can talk to face-to-face. I think you need that kind of reality check.

Don’t come back until you’ve done that.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Well Holly, everyone is HAW HAWing over my post that I have it worse like it’s the funniest thing they ever heard.

Shaenon
9 years ago

Ok, MRAL, explain yourself then. What is it about your life that makes it worse than “most” black men’s?

Don’t engage. He’s going to go talk to some people in the real world now.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Shaenon, what opinions? I was just discussing Schwyzer’s story and my reaction to it. Sure, I’d gladly go share that (with identifying names removed), but I unfortunately don’t have any female friends.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

“but I unfortunately don’t have any female friends.”

No shit, really?

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

knee-grows

Get out of here, you fucking asshole.

burgundy
burgundy
9 years ago

MRAL, this is why I think it’s funny/dumb/infuriating:

http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/templates/browse.aspx?lvl=2&lvlID=51

You didn’t say “any,” you didn’t say “some,” you said “most.” As I understand it (and I could be wrong), you are enrolled in an institution of higher learning, you are not otherwise working to support yourself, you are healthy, and you have no criminal record. So I think your statement is bullshit.

I think it’s very sad that you think your life is so difficult. I think it’s even sadder that you seem so resistant to do anything to improve your situation. But just because I pity you doesn’t mean I can’t also think what you said is bullshit.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

MRAL I really can’t stress enough how much you need several years in the real world right now.

Go out there. The Internet has nothing useful to teach you. Use it if you need to look up how many ounces in a pint or something, I don’t know, don’t use it to learn about people. Get the fuck off the computer.

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

So what, all black guys have it worse than all white guys? I’m the first to admit to racial privilege as one of many privileges, but overall, I call bullshit.

You’re an idiot. And sadly, only average in this respect.

You can get high and not be scared of fucking prison, you gigantic, egotistical moron. A black dude in your position would face a serious threat of losing anything, as would a hispanic. You go to motherfucking BU. The only thing I am reasonably sure most black dudes beat you in is that they’re not fucking stupid.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

For you to read “roughly half of the black men population will be *incarcerated* sometime in their life time” and respond with this hilarious bewilderment “Well Holly, everyone is HAW HAWing over my post that I have it worse like it’s the funniest thing they ever heard.” And to bust out that “knee-grow” bullshit. For real dude, FUCK YOURSELF, HARD

Caraz
Caraz
9 years ago

“but I unfortunately don’t have any female friends.”

Noooo! Really? Because you totally seem like a pleasant individual! I figured you’d at least be the kind to pull the ‘some of my best friends are women’ shtick.

Pecunium
9 years ago

MRAL: So… If I point a gun at you, and think about pulling the trigger it’s no big deal?

But that’s not what Shwyzer did.

How about if I put poison in your food, but changed my mind and threw it out before you came home?

No harm, no foul right.

How about, when you are sleeping, I turn on the gas, so you will die in your sleep. It’s no big deal so long as I come to my senses and stop, right?

This is what passes for intellectual with you? Women who talk about possible ways to redress gender imbalances (not who try to implement them, who merely discuss the problems) you have a huge hate on for. They haven’t, done anything, so why should you give a fuck?

But Shwyzer… he says he actually tried to kill someone. That doesn’t mean shit to you, because he failed. Women who fail to agree with you; who fail to get the actions they are advocating (like Amanda Marcotte on the Duke Boys), that you will rage against until you are blue in the face, foamy-mouthted and spittle-flinging to that you have to “arglebargle” the keyboard to show how enraged you are.

But someone who did something that didn’t kill someone else, only because of active intervention that just a harmless pecadillo, and should be forgiven.

Show where your priorities are… and it shows what you think of women.

That you don’t want to share your posts tells me you think some aspect (at the very least) of what you do here is shameful. That’s a good sign, but you need to cut that shit out, if you ever want to be a truly decent human being.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Shaenon: I know Several poly guys (apart from myself) who aren’t “fat” geeky nerds.

But a plurality of them are Canadian, so maybe that skews the sample: wait, there is one more, but he’s more an asshole than anything else (and filthy rich), so that may skew the sample some more. But yeah, lots (maybe even most) poly guys I know are a bit larger than “ideal”.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Whatever.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

GO. OFF. LINE.

It’s not hard.

burgundy
burgundy
9 years ago

I have a high IQ! I’m more intellectual than you! I prove this by waving off any evidence that contradicts my opinions! Also by continually engaging in arguments with people whose values I don’t share, whom I don’t respect, and who I feel mistreat me!

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

I am so sick of this.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

I know I’ve already posted this, in this thread even, but hey, it’s a hundred times better than listening to MRAL:

Joanna
9 years ago

You never explained why your life was so hard MRAL.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

@Joanna: Because women don’t fuck him a few minutes into conversation and because we call him out on his bullshit.

Also because he hates himself.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Joanna – MRAL’s life is hard because he doesn’t have people knocking on his door demanding to be his friend and/or (okay, “or,” because we all know girls are only good for one thing) have sex with him.

As he believes this is the only way friendship/sex happens, he is very bitter.

It’s also hard because one particular website keeps being mean to him, and yet he keeps coming back and insisting on seeking our approval while simultaneously insulting us, possibly in some complex psychological gambit to make us “prove” we care by caring for him even when he’s unlikeable, but who even gives a fuck anymore.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Fucking hells, MRAl, would you just GET SOME FUCKING HELP?!?! I’ve been there, I know that admitting to a total stranger that you need help is one of the hardest things in the universe to do. But if you’re willing to put in the work, it does get better.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

I reassert that it would be best for all involved (MRAL included, but if I’m being honest it’s hard to give a shit about that.) if he was tossed out of here. Permanently.

Joanna
9 years ago

MRAL before you go away forever, heed my words of wisdom: wallowing in the “nobody loves me” bubble pisses people off in a big way. I learned that the hard way. The only way out of it is to pick yourself up and make something of yourself. Or you can sit at your computer and whine at people you don’t know that you are the most oppressed individual that has ever lived. It’s your call.