When we first met Spearhead commenter Rmaxd, he was raving about how our technological society had rendered women obsolete. He’s back, this time taking on, well, women again, and welfare, and declining birth rates, and, well, it’s all a little bit hard to follow.
Let’s start with Rmaxd’s basic premises:
Women are serially monogamous or hypergamous & are infertile for the majority of their lives
While men are polygamous, & FERTILE for the majority of their lives
Marriage has always been used as the earliest form of birth contraception, limit the amount of children a fertile male can have, by forced mating with a single infertile woman for the rest of his life.
We are off to a bad start here. Is there anything in all that that’s correct? Among other things: marriage is most decidedly not a particularly effective form of birth control. (The show Eight is Enough was based on a real family, and I suspect we’ve all met people with enough siblings to fill a bus.) But let’s continue; Rmaxd is on a roll:
As the government can no longer force this sort of mating on infertile womens, especially in the lower moronic, under educated peasantry states,
As women want alphas,
Obviously sluts & whores, are simply mimicing infertile women, as only infertile dried up vaginas, can afford to sleep around with hundreds of men
This is why we have sluts & promiscuity, marketted to young girls today, imitate infertile women, imitate their habits, destroy your fertility, destroy your youth
A childhood of std’s & yeast infections
Yeah, I’m not even going to try to parse all that.
In any case, as Rmaxd argues, these “infertile” ladies somehow still manage to pop out a few kids when they’re young, and the evil welfare state rewards them for it:
It’s essentially birth control by sponsoring infertile women, most women have a couple of kids, basically enough to live off the welfare & free housing
As we all know, single mothers live lives of untold luxury and indolence.
What we have here is essentially welfare for infertile women, as they’re no longer able to siphon cash from enslaving men into walking wallets & their magical vagina’s a pit of std’s & warts
In the past, you see, women could enslave men by marrying them. Now they can’t get dudes to stick around, so instead they enslave men by not marrying them, raising their kids on their own with the help of welfare money. It’s all very devious.
Rmaxd would prefer that the welfare money go to the fathers:
If we had welfare for men who had kids, with different women, we would have a healthy birth rate, instead of the declining birth rate we have now … this is all about rewarding & protecting a womans sexuality over a mans sexuality
It all leads to what Rmaxd calls:
The new another dark age of female fanatical male hate,
sponsored & policed by the church of radical feminist mangina, & government
The dried up vagina, as a tool of the state & population control
This barely coherent spew of woman-hatred – and it’s even less comprehensible without my edits and annotations – still managed to draw a few upvotes from the regulars, proving that internet misogynists will upvote pretty much anything so long as it contains the requisite level of anti-woman vitriol.
In case you’re feeling especially bored this lazy Sunday, the whole Spearhead thread is a trainwreck of misogyny and racism – including some fairly obnoxious discussions of black “Welfare Queens” and Mexican immigrants from a fellow called Keyster. Does that (fake) name sound familiar? You may know him as a fairly regular contributor to A Voice for Men and the producer of the AVfM internet radio show.
“sponsored & policed by the church of radical feminist mangina”
Is he implying that churches actively support women’s rights or that feminism is basically a church cult?
Because the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops protesting the recent regulation that employers need to cover birth control pills on their health insurance plans isn’t supporting a feminazi state. Although, a lot of MRAs think traditionalist commenting on how to treat ladies (opening doors/lifeboats) is actually related to feminist mind control, whore bears or something.
I suppose women want to ride the Bishops’ Basic Coverage Carousel too.
UNCHECKED “SHRIV’AGINA” TEMERITY!
They don’t care about the quality of sperm. They really believe that 20 years old women will want 60 years old men to have babies with them – Roissy/Heartiste constantly say it and I have seen many MRAs repeat it.
well that’s just plain ol’ fashion denial lol
no pun intended haha
Remember though, it’s the MRM that is for the poor and non-white (men).
Because IT otally believe someone who talks like this has fewer issues with the poor and non-white segments of the population than the rest of society.
MRA’s don’t want single mothers to get any government assistance, and they also don’t want them to receive child support from fathers. They should just admit that they want single mothers and their children to starve.
Single fathers are eligible for the same help single mothers can get. The sad thing is there isn’t nearly enough help for any single parents, but the money available should go to those who are are actually raising the children. If Remaxd thinks that raising a child is an easy way to get rich, why doesn’t he adopt some children and become a single dad?
Because that would leave him less time to vent about hating women.
I wonder if he had a single mom.
Men who are the primary caretakers for their children, to multiple women or one, are eligible to get welfare for those children, as eligible as a woman who does the same (minus the fact that cis non-intersexed men may not be eligible for pregnancy and birth coverage, as they cannot be pregnant or give birth). Whoever has primary physical custody is generally the one who receives benefits on the child’s behalf.
There’s also an issue of “one drop rule” being done in birth rates. A white parent and a black parent have a child, that child is almost certainly not going to be counted as a white birth, though they very well may be counted as a black one.
If birth rate was the key to prosperity then Niger and Uganda would rule the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_birth_rate
Five-year lifetime limit? That is cold. And will be much, much colder in a year, when our recession hits its five-year anniversary.
*flails* I don’t understand why infertile women automatically have dried up vaginas. Internal lubrication is a completely separate mechanism from fertility. And if she is all dry you could get some lube or invest more time in foreplay. Also, I can afford to whore around even though I’m young and moist because of birth control! Yay! Modern day science! =D
You know, it strikes me that complaining about dried up vaginas is really pretty sinister. I mean, a vagina is usually dry because of a lack of arousal, so all of these MRAs are really complaining that she’s not aroused and ready for his dick AT ALL TIMES!
I met someone who received welfare once.
Most MRA’S no longer have ANY actual critique of the State, even a neo-conservative or right-libertarian one.
The State is simply a term for WOMEN, AND THE THING THAT DOES EVERYTHING FOR THEM AND GIVES THEM STUFF. (AND THROWS US IN JAIL CAUSE WE DON’T WANNA DO THAT)
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Once you understand this, be you a liberal, marxist, anarchist, libertarian, hey, even a sane conservative, the whole thing becomes a bit easier. Because whether you’re trying to argue the state is bad or good, you’re not speaking their language, which is WOMEN WANT BIG GOVERMENT GIVEY THING HURTY ME I NO LIKE RARRGH.
The five-year lifetime limit was a nationwide part of the mid-90s welfare “reform”. Some states have additional limits, like you can only get benefits for two years at a time. Add that to the quite low levels of assistance provided, and it becomes a good way to distinguish the idiot ideologues from the people arguing in good faith: if someone thinks people are living large on welfare, or having more kids just so they can get more money, you can pretty safely discard anything they have to say.
I’m proud to say that the First Church of Radical Feminist Mangina & Government recently opened up here in Dallas. It’s just down the road from the Buddhist temple and the Church of Gynocratic Mangina Mary Worshippers.
It’s also important to remember that critiques of welfare recipients as “lazy” and many critiques of it as “fostering dependence” tie into the very strong, yet ultimately warped idea that we SHOULD be slaving away – based on an assumption of wage labor, and the welfare recipients being unwilling (or unable, if you’re compassionate) to find it.
The ruling classes have always promoted the idea of constant hard work for the working classes, while simultaneously taking away the lands, commons, businesses, and mutual welfare the working classes created to lighten their own burdens. The idea that if you don’t have “enough,” you should be bloodying your hands for the bosses until you can scrape by is hardly an ethic of honest labor that enriches the laborer.
Until we all have the option of saying fuck you, and finding communities and economies where we can sustain ourselves and our families without working for our betters, any work OR welfare is at their mercy, which is suck all around. – If our labor isn’t ours to enrich ourselves with, and we only have the option of getting indirect benefit from “employer” or what little we can get a corporate-State to give us to soften the blow, the ethic of hard work becomes a cruel abomination.
/ end nutty left libertarian rant (my sarcastic begin nutty libertarian rant end rant tags disappeared even though I broke up the fake html! phooey )
Our ol’ pal Antz is on that Spearhead thread, telling the MRAs to cool it with the racism, as black and Hispanic men have gotten an even rougher deal from feminism.
Gawd bless ‘im.
Offtopic, slightly, why do so many MRAs give themselves names related to asses and defecation?
Keyster… Scatmaster… There are more.
Keyster… Scatmaster… There are more.
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I actually was thinking about the low-rent-armchair-Freudian implications of that myself.
It might HAVE something to do with harsh toilet training or enthusiastic spanking by caregivers (and, of course, a combination of both) leading to their paranoid authoritarian, magical-thinking prone personalites, and thus ass-fixations.
Or it might be that they just name themselves by looking at the thing in closest proximity to their head…
Here’s the Titanic again! When is that ship finally going to sink? Also apparently all women just long to commit infanticide and be r— I mean, voluntarily mate with invading alphas. And a bunch of lifeboats had no survivors because there were no men to row for them. Wut.
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/01/20/male-employment-and-fertility-rates/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheSpearhead+%28The+Spearhead%29#comment-127815
For bonus points, scroll up two comments to see Rocco slut shame sexually active 13 year-olds on the one hand and bemoan the inability of men to have sex with those underage sluts without punishment.
Definitely not a hate movement.
The five year lifetime limit is for cash assistance. Foodstamps, HUD, medicaid, etc. generally aren’t subject to it.
Zhinxy: Call me a dirty socialist, but I don’t believe in the sanctifying value of work or what the fuck ever. I mean, if someone wants to work sixty hour weeks, there’s nothing wrong with that, but if you want to live a more balanced life, with family and children and friends and hobbies and knitting scarves and reading for fun and long summer days dangling your feet in the pool and fucking around on the Internet, you shouldn’t be compelled to work a sixty-hour week in order to have food and shelter and utilities. We only have seventy-something years, and there is no call to spend the best part of most of them doing mind-numbing and soul-destroying labor.
…The implementation of this plan is a bit more difficult, of course.
Keyster… Scatmaster… There are more.
Buttman…
Zhinxy: Call me a dirty socialist, but I don’t believe in the sanctifying value of work or what the fuck ever.
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I mean, if someone wants to work sixty hour weeks, there’s nothing wrong with that, but if you want to live a more balanced life, with family and children and friends and hobbies and knitting scarves and reading for fun and long summer days dangling your feet in the pool and fucking around on the Internet, you shouldn’t be compelled to work a sixty-hour week in order to have food and shelter and utilities.
-That’s exactly what I was saying XD Unless you got that, in which case, sorry, I agree. XD
What I mean is that work can enrich you, and if you want that, it should – but the whole idea that the working class shouldn’t have leisure time, unless it works itself to the bones for it’s betters is a fucked up, perverse lie. What I don’t want is a socialism that merely “redistributes” without attacking the priveleges and dispossession inherent in this. People need to have the options of organizing themselves in different ways, or even a very solid welfare state is precarious, even if greatly preferable to what we have now. See also most mutualist anarchist literature, etc. XD
BREAD AND ROSES!