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“The dried-up vagina is a tool of the state, and population control.”

Marriage: Not an effective form of birth control.

When we first met Spearhead commenter Rmaxd, he was raving about how our technological society had rendered women obsolete. He’s back, this time taking on, well, women again, and welfare, and declining birth rates, and, well, it’s all a little bit hard to follow.

Let’s start with Rmaxd’s basic premises:

Women are serially monogamous or hypergamous & are infertile for the majority of their lives

While men are polygamous, & FERTILE for the majority of their lives

Marriage has always been used as the earliest form of birth contraception, limit the amount of children a fertile male can have, by forced mating with a single infertile woman for the rest of his life.

We are off to a bad start here. Is there anything in all that that’s correct? Among other things: marriage is most decidedly not a particularly effective form of birth control. (The show Eight is Enough was based on a real family, and I suspect we’ve all met people with enough siblings to fill a bus.) But let’s continue; Rmaxd is on a roll:

As the government can no longer force this sort of mating on infertile womens, especially in the lower moronic, under educated peasantry states,

As women want alphas,

Obviously sluts & whores, are simply mimicing infertile women, as only infertile dried up vaginas, can afford to sleep around with hundreds of men

This is why we have sluts & promiscuity, marketted to young girls today, imitate infertile women, imitate their habits, destroy your fertility, destroy your youth

A childhood of std’s & yeast infections

Yeah, I’m not even going to try to parse all that.

In any case, as Rmaxd argues, these “infertile” ladies somehow still manage to pop out a few kids when they’re young, and the evil welfare state rewards them for it:

It’s essentially birth control by sponsoring infertile women, most women have a couple of kids, basically enough to live off the welfare & free housing

As we all know, single mothers live lives of untold luxury and indolence.

What we have here is essentially welfare for infertile women, as they’re no longer able to siphon cash from enslaving men into walking wallets & their magical vagina’s a pit of std’s & warts

In the past, you see, women could enslave men by marrying them. Now they can’t get dudes to stick around, so instead they enslave men by not marrying them, raising their kids on their own with the help of welfare money. It’s all very devious.

Rmaxd would prefer that the welfare money go to the fathers:

If we had welfare for men who had kids, with different women, we would have a healthy birth rate, instead of the declining birth rate we have now … this is all about rewarding & protecting a womans sexuality over a mans sexuality

It all leads to what Rmaxd calls:

The new another dark age of female fanatical male hate,

sponsored & policed by the church of radical feminist mangina, & government

The dried up vagina, as a tool of the state & population control

This barely coherent spew of woman-hatred – and it’s even less comprehensible without my edits and annotations – still managed to draw a few upvotes from the regulars, proving that internet misogynists will upvote pretty much anything so long as it contains the requisite level of anti-woman vitriol.

In case you’re feeling especially bored this lazy Sunday, the whole Spearhead thread is a trainwreck of misogyny and racism – including some fairly obnoxious discussions of black “Welfare Queens” and Mexican immigrants from a fellow called Keyster. Does that (fake) name sound familiar? You may know him as a fairly regular contributor to A Voice for Men and the producer of the AVfM internet radio show.

 

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Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

“You may know him as a fairly regular contributor to A Voice for Men and the producer of the AVfM internet radio show.”

Boy, that Elam really knows how to pick em, huh.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

Wait, “Welfare Queens” are all infertile women that are pretending to be fertile? By having children? That word, I don’t think it means what he thinks it means!

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

If an individual man had sex with more women maybe he would have more kids than usual. But if all the men have sex with lots of women you’re going to have the same number of total kids, because women aren’t going to get more fertile.

And in practice this would lead to fewer total kids, because women are likely to use birth control if they know the guy they’re having sex with isn’t going to stick around.

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

Ryu: “Black men are notorius for not being around at all, their contribution to their kids lives is nothing. “Swipe your EBT” and other tales suggest that it’s Uncle Sugar who is the “baby daddy.” In a way, the black community is the ideal of the PUAs and MRM. No marraige and as much sex as you like. To hell with the kids. ”

55 upvotes, only 13 downvotes. And as our good buddy Antz has taught us, the number of upvotes corresponds directly to the amount of truth in a given post.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

@Crumb

meanwhile Elam has declared feminism is like racism and feminism will go the ways of racism. Seems like racism is still alive and kicking in the MRM though.

and don’t these idiots know welfare is available to men too?

ithiliana
9 years ago

What did commas ever do to that dude to deserve such torture!

*yawns)

Yeah, yeah, the myth of mighty male sperm being all might all a man’s life unto his withering dick is now being disproved because, DOH, male aging does affect fertility:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=male+sperm+and+fertility+issues+aging

Plus, causes of infertility are complicated, especially the the sexist and racist work in eugenics and science a century or two ago, but as usual the MRAs go for the simplest answer: WIMMIN!

Also, I r confused: I thought ALL the vaginas were dripping with slime and toxic poisons and you know STDS?

Fatman
Fatman
9 years ago

The most confusing part is the idea that birth rate is too low. There are seven billion people and the number is rising. Why does he think that the birth rate is too low? Who looks around at food shortages and rising commodity prices and thinks, “you know what would help, more people”?

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Fatman – I can give you a 99.8% guarantee he feels the white birth rate is too low.

His solution is still nonsense, though. It’s like if you fill ten water jugs from ten taps. Changing that to filling ten water jugs from one tap doesn’t give you more total water. And saying “all ten taps can fill all ten jugs!” is just going to make a mess and still end up with the same amount of total water.

And it gets even worse when the “water jugs” are human beings who are probably not going to want to get pregnant and bear the kid if they know the dad is planning to skip town and never send child support.

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

and don’t these idiots know welfare is available to men too?

These dudes still don’t understand that White people use welfare too, let alone that they constitute a large percentage of people on welfare

Need to know
9 years ago

The dog whistle on low birth rate rants is basically ‘not enough white babies’. Welfare Queens often means ‘too many not-white babies’. The sneers at welfare are because the governments they do not like are giving money to the WRONG PEOPLE.

Infertile, as regards women, means not presently knocked up. Women being infertile most of their lives means ‘You can’t tell when you can knock them up, why don’t they have, like, red bottoms or something’. Dried up vaginas are vaginas what do not tingle for the right people, and we all know who that would be, right?

Forcing male infertility through marriage means ‘waaaah, I can’t knock up women all day because they always be wantin’ something from me’.

QuantumSparkle
QuantumSparkle
9 years ago

Alternate interpretation!
Maybe for this looser, “infertile” really means not currently pregnant? As in, pregnant women are fertile, and any woman who isn’t currently pregnant is infertile. And, welfare should be given only to fertile women. Therefore, any woman on welfare who has 2 kids, but isn’t currently making more babies, has tricked the system into giving her welfare money that’s really meant for the Duggars.

Of course, logically, if “infertile” means not currently using your reproductive organs in a reproductive manner… then wouldn’t men only be considered fertile during the moment of ejaculation in PIV sex? At no other time are they using their reproductive organs in a reproductive manner, so shouldn’t Rmaxd call them infertile?

To be fair, every possible interpretation of his “essay” leads to precisely the same conclusion: Rmaxd is profoundly stupid.

QuantumSparkle
QuantumSparkle
9 years ago

@Need to know: ninja’d!

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I have a strong suspicion that on top of his difficulty with basic logic, Rmaxd thinks women drop to zero fertility at age twenty-nine.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

@Shadow

very true -_-

anecdotal evidence may not count, but the people I know who are or who have been on welfare are white. Its very rude to look down on those who use welfare. People who do that are just assholes who can’t fathom a life different than their own.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

I’m fertile (as far as I know) but my vagina sure dries up everytime I read crap from the manosphere 😛

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
9 years ago

@Quackers: “and don’t these idiots know welfare is available to men too?”

…or that plenty of welfare recipients are white. Oh but that would involve actual thinking rather than relying on lazy stereotypes.

Tosca
Tosca
9 years ago

I’m white, married, and was on welfare for a time. I never understood why guys like this think welfare is some kind of gravy train. Maybe it’s just the state I live in, but the welfare I got was small and finite. Small, meaning that it wasn’t a lot of money. And finite, meaning that it ended! Plus, you have to DO stuff for your welfare. Lots of documents. You have to attend classes and give them job search logs. You have to keep your appointments and do everything they tell you down to the letter, or you get shut off. In my state, there is a 5 year LIFETIME limit on benefits. And it’s cumulative. It might sound like a lot to some, but it certainly isn’t enough to ensure “welfare queens” having welfare that spans generations.

Noadi
9 years ago

This guy is sort of right about women and fertility. Most healthy men who haven’t had vasectomies can produce viable sperm 24/7 while women only ovulate once a month so most of the time we aren’t fertile in the sense of being at the right point in the cycle to make conception likely (plus the whole menopause thing). However that biological fact certainly doesn’t lead to any of the conclusions he’s leapt to.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Funny thing about the whole “welfare” hullaboo: the vast majority of government money goes to rich white men, anyway.

It’s sort of silly to be worrying about some poor mother getting $200 a month for Rice Krispies when the government has no problem signing gazillion-dollar checks to the upper-upper-upper class.

johnnykaje
9 years ago

If welfare did go to the fathers instead, then they would complain about how the feminiocracy is FORCING them to have children with Ameriskanks by denying them benefits if they don’t.

Polliwog
Polliwog
9 years ago

It’s sort of silly to be worrying about some poor mother getting $200 a month for Rice Krispies when the government has no problem signing gazillion-dollar checks to the upper-upper-upper class.

But…but…but she might have the nerve to enjoy her Rice Krispies! She might be less than totally miserable if we let her not-starve, and start thinking she’s a person or something despite being poor and female and possibly non-white, and we can’t be having that sort of uppity attitude from those people!

(I wish this didn’t seem to be precisely what the anti-welfare attitude boils down to in a lot of cases…)

no more mr nice guy
9 years ago

These guys think that the normal way to have kids is not to repeatedly have sex with a woman to get her pregnant and then help her raise the kid – for them only beta males do that. They think the normal way to have kids is to have sex a few times with each one of several women and get them pregnant and after that, runaway from them – for them it’s what alpha males do. And it’s why they bitch against women on welfare, they believe that all these pregnant women will end up on welfare. They believes that men can get hundreds of women pregnant and therefore must spread their seeds by impregnating the maximum number of women.

And they believe that women are mainly attracted to men because of their sperm and since men produce sperm during most of their life, they believe that 20 years old fertile women should be attracted to 60 years old men.

Valerie
Valerie
9 years ago

Right on, Holly. If only they took a look at corporate welfare, their fricking eyes would start bleeding and their heads would explode. Or maybe not. They would find a way to blame that on women too.
If they got a splinter, they would blame it on women. Because hypergamy causes trees to grow, or some such shit.

blitzgal
9 years ago

My Swiss ancestors who settled to farm in Wisconsin in the mid-1800’s would beg to differ about the whole “marriage=birth control” thing. The first generation to immigrate to America spawned 12 children, all but one of whom lived into old age. In fact, the wife was pregnant with her last child at the same time her eldest daughter was pregnant with her first. She was solidly pregnant for 25 years, from the age of 20 to the age of 45. Yeah, barren.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

@no more mr nice guy

so basically they’re pissed of that women dare try to care for their bastard children? yeah that makes tons on sense *eyeroll*

and gee, I wonder which guy’s sperm is less likely to have issues…the 20 year old, or the 60 year olds? it’s true that women deal with more severe infertility issues at higher levels than men, but it’s not something that doesn’t effect men either, as Ithiliana posted.

ersatzmoons
ersatzmoons
9 years ago

“sponsored & policed by the church of radical feminist mangina”

Is he implying that churches actively support women’s rights or that feminism is basically a church cult?

Because the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops protesting the recent regulation that employers need to cover birth control pills on their health insurance plans isn’t supporting a feminazi state. Although, a lot of MRAs think traditionalist commenting on how to treat ladies (opening doors/lifeboats) is actually related to feminist mind control, whore bears or something.

I suppose women want to ride the Bishops’ Basic Coverage Carousel too.
UNCHECKED “SHRIV’AGINA” TEMERITY!

no more mr nice guy
9 years ago

They don’t care about the quality of sperm. They really believe that 20 years old women will want 60 years old men to have babies with them – Roissy/Heartiste constantly say it and I have seen many MRAs repeat it.

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

well that’s just plain ol’ fashion denial lol

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

no pun intended haha

Rutee Katreya
9 years ago

Remember though, it’s the MRM that is for the poor and non-white (men).

Because IT otally believe someone who talks like this has fewer issues with the poor and non-white segments of the population than the rest of society.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

MRA’s don’t want single mothers to get any government assistance, and they also don’t want them to receive child support from fathers. They should just admit that they want single mothers and their children to starve.

If we had welfare for men who had kids, with different women, we would have a healthy birth rate, instead of the declining birth rate we have now … this is all about rewarding & protecting a womans sexuality over a mans sexuality

Single fathers are eligible for the same help single mothers can get. The sad thing is there isn’t nearly enough help for any single parents, but the money available should go to those who are are actually raising the children. If Remaxd thinks that raising a child is an easy way to get rich, why doesn’t he adopt some children and become a single dad?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
9 years ago

Because that would leave him less time to vent about hating women.

I wonder if he had a single mom.

darksidecat
9 years ago

Men who are the primary caretakers for their children, to multiple women or one, are eligible to get welfare for those children, as eligible as a woman who does the same (minus the fact that cis non-intersexed men may not be eligible for pregnancy and birth coverage, as they cannot be pregnant or give birth). Whoever has primary physical custody is generally the one who receives benefits on the child’s behalf.

There’s also an issue of “one drop rule” being done in birth rates. A white parent and a black parent have a child, that child is almost certainly not going to be counted as a white birth, though they very well may be counted as a black one.

Major Kong
Major Kong
9 years ago

If birth rate was the key to prosperity then Niger and Uganda would rule the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_birth_rate

katz
9 years ago

Five-year lifetime limit? That is cold. And will be much, much colder in a year, when our recession hits its five-year anniversary.

Sarah
Sarah
9 years ago

*flails* I don’t understand why infertile women automatically have dried up vaginas. Internal lubrication is a completely separate mechanism from fertility. And if she is all dry you could get some lube or invest more time in foreplay. Also, I can afford to whore around even though I’m young and moist because of birth control! Yay! Modern day science! =D

You know, it strikes me that complaining about dried up vaginas is really pretty sinister. I mean, a vagina is usually dry because of a lack of arousal, so all of these MRAs are really complaining that she’s not aroused and ready for his dick AT ALL TIMES!

butterfly knife ma99ie

I met someone who received welfare once.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Most MRA’S no longer have ANY actual critique of the State, even a neo-conservative or right-libertarian one.

The State is simply a term for WOMEN, AND THE THING THAT DOES EVERYTHING FOR THEM AND GIVES THEM STUFF. (AND THROWS US IN JAIL CAUSE WE DON’T WANNA DO THAT)

Once you understand this, be you a liberal, marxist, anarchist, libertarian, hey, even a sane conservative, the whole thing becomes a bit easier. Because whether you’re trying to argue the state is bad or good, you’re not speaking their language, which is WOMEN WANT BIG GOVERMENT GIVEY THING HURTY ME I NO LIKE RARRGH.

burgundy
burgundy
9 years ago

The five-year lifetime limit was a nationwide part of the mid-90s welfare “reform”. Some states have additional limits, like you can only get benefits for two years at a time. Add that to the quite low levels of assistance provided, and it becomes a good way to distinguish the idiot ideologues from the people arguing in good faith: if someone thinks people are living large on welfare, or having more kids just so they can get more money, you can pretty safely discard anything they have to say.

Moewicus
Moewicus
9 years ago

I’m proud to say that the First Church of Radical Feminist Mangina & Government recently opened up here in Dallas. It’s just down the road from the Buddhist temple and the Church of Gynocratic Mangina Mary Worshippers.

zhinxy
9 years ago

It’s also important to remember that critiques of welfare recipients as “lazy” and many critiques of it as “fostering dependence” tie into the very strong, yet ultimately warped idea that we SHOULD be slaving away – based on an assumption of wage labor, and the welfare recipients being unwilling (or unable, if you’re compassionate) to find it.

The ruling classes have always promoted the idea of constant hard work for the working classes, while simultaneously taking away the lands, commons, businesses, and mutual welfare the working classes created to lighten their own burdens. The idea that if you don’t have “enough,” you should be bloodying your hands for the bosses until you can scrape by is hardly an ethic of honest labor that enriches the laborer.

Until we all have the option of saying fuck you, and finding communities and economies where we can sustain ourselves and our families without working for our betters, any work OR welfare is at their mercy, which is suck all around. – If our labor isn’t ours to enrich ourselves with, and we only have the option of getting indirect benefit from “employer” or what little we can get a corporate-State to give us to soften the blow, the ethic of hard work becomes a cruel abomination.

zhinxy
9 years ago

/ end nutty left libertarian rant (my sarcastic begin nutty libertarian rant end rant tags disappeared even though I broke up the fake html! phooey )

Happy
Happy
9 years ago

Our ol’ pal Antz is on that Spearhead thread, telling the MRAs to cool it with the racism, as black and Hispanic men have gotten an even rougher deal from feminism.

Gawd bless ‘im.

Offtopic, slightly, why do so many MRAs give themselves names related to asses and defecation?

Keyster… Scatmaster… There are more.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Keyster… Scatmaster… There are more.

….

I actually was thinking about the low-rent-armchair-Freudian implications of that myself.

It might HAVE something to do with harsh toilet training or enthusiastic spanking by caregivers (and, of course, a combination of both) leading to their paranoid authoritarian, magical-thinking prone personalites, and thus ass-fixations.

Or it might be that they just name themselves by looking at the thing in closest proximity to their head…

Moewicus
Moewicus
9 years ago

Here’s the Titanic again! When is that ship finally going to sink? Also apparently all women just long to commit infanticide and be r— I mean, voluntarily mate with invading alphas. And a bunch of lifeboats had no survivors because there were no men to row for them. Wut.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2012/01/20/male-employment-and-fertility-rates/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheSpearhead+%28The+Spearhead%29#comment-127815

For bonus points, scroll up two comments to see Rocco slut shame sexually active 13 year-olds on the one hand and bemoan the inability of men to have sex with those underage sluts without punishment.

Definitely not a hate movement.

darksidecat
9 years ago

The five year lifetime limit is for cash assistance. Foodstamps, HUD, medicaid, etc. generally aren’t subject to it.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Zhinxy: Call me a dirty socialist, but I don’t believe in the sanctifying value of work or what the fuck ever. I mean, if someone wants to work sixty hour weeks, there’s nothing wrong with that, but if you want to live a more balanced life, with family and children and friends and hobbies and knitting scarves and reading for fun and long summer days dangling your feet in the pool and fucking around on the Internet, you shouldn’t be compelled to work a sixty-hour week in order to have food and shelter and utilities. We only have seventy-something years, and there is no call to spend the best part of most of them doing mind-numbing and soul-destroying labor.

…The implementation of this plan is a bit more difficult, of course.

katz
9 years ago

Keyster… Scatmaster… There are more.

Buttman…

zhinxy
9 years ago

Zhinxy: Call me a dirty socialist, but I don’t believe in the sanctifying value of work or what the fuck ever.
..
I mean, if someone wants to work sixty hour weeks, there’s nothing wrong with that, but if you want to live a more balanced life, with family and children and friends and hobbies and knitting scarves and reading for fun and long summer days dangling your feet in the pool and fucking around on the Internet, you shouldn’t be compelled to work a sixty-hour week in order to have food and shelter and utilities.

-That’s exactly what I was saying XD Unless you got that, in which case, sorry, I agree. XD

What I mean is that work can enrich you, and if you want that, it should – but the whole idea that the working class shouldn’t have leisure time, unless it works itself to the bones for it’s betters is a fucked up, perverse lie. What I don’t want is a socialism that merely “redistributes” without attacking the priveleges and dispossession inherent in this. People need to have the options of organizing themselves in different ways, or even a very solid welfare state is precarious, even if greatly preferable to what we have now. See also most mutualist anarchist literature, etc. XD

zhinxy
9 years ago

BREAD AND ROSES!

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