When we first met Spearhead commenter Rmaxd, he was raving about how our technological society had rendered women obsolete. He’s back, this time taking on, well, women again, and welfare, and declining birth rates, and, well, it’s all a little bit hard to follow.
Let’s start with Rmaxd’s basic premises:
Women are serially monogamous or hypergamous & are infertile for the majority of their lives
While men are polygamous, & FERTILE for the majority of their lives
Marriage has always been used as the earliest form of birth contraception, limit the amount of children a fertile male can have, by forced mating with a single infertile woman for the rest of his life.
We are off to a bad start here. Is there anything in all that that’s correct? Among other things: marriage is most decidedly not a particularly effective form of birth control. (The show Eight is Enough was based on a real family, and I suspect we’ve all met people with enough siblings to fill a bus.) But let’s continue; Rmaxd is on a roll:
As the government can no longer force this sort of mating on infertile womens, especially in the lower moronic, under educated peasantry states,
As women want alphas,
Obviously sluts & whores, are simply mimicing infertile women, as only infertile dried up vaginas, can afford to sleep around with hundreds of men
This is why we have sluts & promiscuity, marketted to young girls today, imitate infertile women, imitate their habits, destroy your fertility, destroy your youth
A childhood of std’s & yeast infections
Yeah, I’m not even going to try to parse all that.
In any case, as Rmaxd argues, these “infertile” ladies somehow still manage to pop out a few kids when they’re young, and the evil welfare state rewards them for it:
It’s essentially birth control by sponsoring infertile women, most women have a couple of kids, basically enough to live off the welfare & free housing
As we all know, single mothers live lives of untold luxury and indolence.
What we have here is essentially welfare for infertile women, as they’re no longer able to siphon cash from enslaving men into walking wallets & their magical vagina’s a pit of std’s & warts
In the past, you see, women could enslave men by marrying them. Now they can’t get dudes to stick around, so instead they enslave men by not marrying them, raising their kids on their own with the help of welfare money. It’s all very devious.
Rmaxd would prefer that the welfare money go to the fathers:
If we had welfare for men who had kids, with different women, we would have a healthy birth rate, instead of the declining birth rate we have now … this is all about rewarding & protecting a womans sexuality over a mans sexuality
It all leads to what Rmaxd calls:
The new another dark age of female fanatical male hate,
sponsored & policed by the church of radical feminist mangina, & government
The dried up vagina, as a tool of the state & population control
This barely coherent spew of woman-hatred – and it’s even less comprehensible without my edits and annotations – still managed to draw a few upvotes from the regulars, proving that internet misogynists will upvote pretty much anything so long as it contains the requisite level of anti-woman vitriol.
In case you’re feeling especially bored this lazy Sunday, the whole Spearhead thread is a trainwreck of misogyny and racism – including some fairly obnoxious discussions of black “Welfare Queens” and Mexican immigrants from a fellow called Keyster. Does that (fake) name sound familiar? You may know him as a fairly regular contributor to A Voice for Men and the producer of the AVfM internet radio show.
“You may know him as a fairly regular contributor to A Voice for Men and the producer of the AVfM internet radio show.”
Boy, that Elam really knows how to pick em, huh.
Wait, “Welfare Queens” are all infertile women that are pretending to be fertile? By having children? That word, I don’t think it means what he thinks it means!
If an individual man had sex with more women maybe he would have more kids than usual. But if all the men have sex with lots of women you’re going to have the same number of total kids, because women aren’t going to get more fertile.
And in practice this would lead to fewer total kids, because women are likely to use birth control if they know the guy they’re having sex with isn’t going to stick around.
Ryu: “Black men are notorius for not being around at all, their contribution to their kids lives is nothing. “Swipe your EBT” and other tales suggest that it’s Uncle Sugar who is the “baby daddy.” In a way, the black community is the ideal of the PUAs and MRM. No marraige and as much sex as you like. To hell with the kids. ”
55 upvotes, only 13 downvotes. And as our good buddy Antz has taught us, the number of upvotes corresponds directly to the amount of truth in a given post.
@Crumb
meanwhile Elam has declared feminism is like racism and feminism will go the ways of racism. Seems like racism is still alive and kicking in the MRM though.
and don’t these idiots know welfare is available to men too?
What did commas ever do to that dude to deserve such torture!
*yawns)
Yeah, yeah, the myth of mighty male sperm being all might all a man’s life unto his withering dick is now being disproved because, DOH, male aging does affect fertility:
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=male+sperm+and+fertility+issues+aging
Plus, causes of infertility are complicated, especially the the sexist and racist work in eugenics and science a century or two ago, but as usual the MRAs go for the simplest answer: WIMMIN!
Also, I r confused: I thought ALL the vaginas were dripping with slime and toxic poisons and you know STDS?
The most confusing part is the idea that birth rate is too low. There are seven billion people and the number is rising. Why does he think that the birth rate is too low? Who looks around at food shortages and rising commodity prices and thinks, “you know what would help, more people”?
Fatman – I can give you a 99.8% guarantee he feels the white birth rate is too low.
His solution is still nonsense, though. It’s like if you fill ten water jugs from ten taps. Changing that to filling ten water jugs from one tap doesn’t give you more total water. And saying “all ten taps can fill all ten jugs!” is just going to make a mess and still end up with the same amount of total water.
And it gets even worse when the “water jugs” are human beings who are probably not going to want to get pregnant and bear the kid if they know the dad is planning to skip town and never send child support.
These dudes still don’t understand that White people use welfare too, let alone that they constitute a large percentage of people on welfare
The dog whistle on low birth rate rants is basically ‘not enough white babies’. Welfare Queens often means ‘too many not-white babies’. The sneers at welfare are because the governments they do not like are giving money to the WRONG PEOPLE.
Infertile, as regards women, means not presently knocked up. Women being infertile most of their lives means ‘You can’t tell when you can knock them up, why don’t they have, like, red bottoms or something’. Dried up vaginas are vaginas what do not tingle for the right people, and we all know who that would be, right?
Forcing male infertility through marriage means ‘waaaah, I can’t knock up women all day because they always be wantin’ something from me’.
Alternate interpretation!
Maybe for this looser, “infertile” really means not currently pregnant? As in, pregnant women are fertile, and any woman who isn’t currently pregnant is infertile. And, welfare should be given only to fertile women. Therefore, any woman on welfare who has 2 kids, but isn’t currently making more babies, has tricked the system into giving her welfare money that’s really meant for the Duggars.
Of course, logically, if “infertile” means not currently using your reproductive organs in a reproductive manner… then wouldn’t men only be considered fertile during the moment of ejaculation in PIV sex? At no other time are they using their reproductive organs in a reproductive manner, so shouldn’t Rmaxd call them infertile?
To be fair, every possible interpretation of his “essay” leads to precisely the same conclusion: Rmaxd is profoundly stupid.
@Need to know: ninja’d!
I have a strong suspicion that on top of his difficulty with basic logic, Rmaxd thinks women drop to zero fertility at age twenty-nine.
@Shadow
very true -_-
anecdotal evidence may not count, but the people I know who are or who have been on welfare are white. Its very rude to look down on those who use welfare. People who do that are just assholes who can’t fathom a life different than their own.
I’m fertile (as far as I know) but my vagina sure dries up everytime I read crap from the manosphere 😛
@Quackers: “and don’t these idiots know welfare is available to men too?”
…or that plenty of welfare recipients are white. Oh but that would involve actual thinking rather than relying on lazy stereotypes.
I’m white, married, and was on welfare for a time. I never understood why guys like this think welfare is some kind of gravy train. Maybe it’s just the state I live in, but the welfare I got was small and finite. Small, meaning that it wasn’t a lot of money. And finite, meaning that it ended! Plus, you have to DO stuff for your welfare. Lots of documents. You have to attend classes and give them job search logs. You have to keep your appointments and do everything they tell you down to the letter, or you get shut off. In my state, there is a 5 year LIFETIME limit on benefits. And it’s cumulative. It might sound like a lot to some, but it certainly isn’t enough to ensure “welfare queens” having welfare that spans generations.
This guy is sort of right about women and fertility. Most healthy men who haven’t had vasectomies can produce viable sperm 24/7 while women only ovulate once a month so most of the time we aren’t fertile in the sense of being at the right point in the cycle to make conception likely (plus the whole menopause thing). However that biological fact certainly doesn’t lead to any of the conclusions he’s leapt to.
Funny thing about the whole “welfare” hullaboo: the vast majority of government money goes to rich white men, anyway.
It’s sort of silly to be worrying about some poor mother getting $200 a month for Rice Krispies when the government has no problem signing gazillion-dollar checks to the upper-upper-upper class.
If welfare did go to the fathers instead, then they would complain about how the feminiocracy is FORCING them to have children with Ameriskanks by denying them benefits if they don’t.
It’s sort of silly to be worrying about some poor mother getting $200 a month for Rice Krispies when the government has no problem signing gazillion-dollar checks to the upper-upper-upper class.
But…but…but she might have the nerve to enjoy her Rice Krispies! She might be less than totally miserable if we let her not-starve, and start thinking she’s a person or something despite being poor and female and possibly non-white, and we can’t be having that sort of uppity attitude from those people!
(I wish this didn’t seem to be precisely what the anti-welfare attitude boils down to in a lot of cases…)
These guys think that the normal way to have kids is not to repeatedly have sex with a woman to get her pregnant and then help her raise the kid – for them only beta males do that. They think the normal way to have kids is to have sex a few times with each one of several women and get them pregnant and after that, runaway from them – for them it’s what alpha males do. And it’s why they bitch against women on welfare, they believe that all these pregnant women will end up on welfare. They believes that men can get hundreds of women pregnant and therefore must spread their seeds by impregnating the maximum number of women.
And they believe that women are mainly attracted to men because of their sperm and since men produce sperm during most of their life, they believe that 20 years old fertile women should be attracted to 60 years old men.
Right on, Holly. If only they took a look at corporate welfare, their fricking eyes would start bleeding and their heads would explode. Or maybe not. They would find a way to blame that on women too.
If they got a splinter, they would blame it on women. Because hypergamy causes trees to grow, or some such shit.
My Swiss ancestors who settled to farm in Wisconsin in the mid-1800’s would beg to differ about the whole “marriage=birth control” thing. The first generation to immigrate to America spawned 12 children, all but one of whom lived into old age. In fact, the wife was pregnant with her last child at the same time her eldest daughter was pregnant with her first. She was solidly pregnant for 25 years, from the age of 20 to the age of 45. Yeah, barren.
@no more mr nice guy
so basically they’re pissed of that women dare try to care for their bastard children? yeah that makes tons on sense *eyeroll*
and gee, I wonder which guy’s sperm is less likely to have issues…the 20 year old, or the 60 year olds? it’s true that women deal with more severe infertility issues at higher levels than men, but it’s not something that doesn’t effect men either, as Ithiliana posted.