An alert reader pointed me to this amazing “map” from the 1830s, posted on Ptak Science Books and originally found here. Described as “A Map of the Open Country of a Woman’s Heart,” it presents a less-than-flattering picture of the supposed shallowness, vanity and selfishness of the female of the species. Click on the pic above to see it full size.
It’s amazing how closely this resembles so many Manosphere “critiques” of evil modern women; the main difference is that it’s a bit more polite in its language. Also, no mention of stinky vaginas.
Manospherians love to talk about “taking the red pill,” as if their ideas are all new and cool and Matrixy. Actually, of course, their ideas are old as fuck. It’s more like they are taking a gulp of Dr. Flimflam’s Electro Magnetic Misogyny Fluid.
Below, another amazing picture also found on Ptak, which presents data on where women’s eyes linger when looking at men. (Again, click on it to see it full size.) I suspect this one would be a bit more confounding to the Manospherians of today, in that it doesn’t show women looking only at the dude’s wallet. The post on Ptak offers a more detailed explanation of what this picture is about.
Also does anyone else find it really bizarre that MRAL keeps expecting us to get upset or angry about his preferences? I guess it must be a projection issue where he assumes that what makes him mad makes other people mad too, but it’s sort of baffling why anyone would think that someone going “I like petite, pale women with dark hair and big boobs” would make people either yell at them or burst into tears.
What about those of us who are insensitive enough to be gay?
Interestingly enough he doesn’t seem to have anything in particular against lesbians, and he doesn’t bug Lauralot about being asexual even though she seems to be his type.
@ Cassandrasays – There’s actually a movie from the Seventies called Chatterbox! that’s pretty much exactly that, except that – as a way to pad it out to full feature length, and to make it something other than a straight porno – they give “Virginia” a great singing voice as well. I guess she’d been so frustrated for so long that she needed more than one way to express herself.
@Rutee
You pose a conundrum to the MRM. Smart enough to avoid the alpha bad boys while simultaneously being too entitled for the nice guys of the world.
He did seem to react to my saying I’m not attracted to Katy Perry as though I was telling him he was wrong to feel differently. Which I wasn’t.
Now that’s odd.
I think it all goes back to that myopic worldview of his that everyone’s noticed. What he believes is The Truth. If people disagree then they are wrong and they are claiming that he is wrong
Also my guess would be that it’s tied up somehow with feeling like society considers his desires illegitimate, or something like that. Then again a lot of straight men seem to police each other’s preferences so the response to Dracula could just be that.
Either that or, like Shadow said, he was trying to convince me I was wrong. He made some weird issue out of it anyway.
(old papers again) a boarding school described as “an elegant receptacle for young ladies”.
That gave me the giggles 🙂
The movie? Yeah it is. You never actually see “Virginia”, if you’re wondering – probably would have been as disturbing as that singing penis commercial if they had.
Anyway, it was funny enough, but it had a disappointing ending. After a series of adventures that include a cheerful gangbang with a basketball team, several Virginia-pleasing cads (the one who sticks out in my mind is the fellow who played out a full knight-in-armor fantasy who refused to see her again after because any particular woman can only be his “princess” once) and a singing career for Virginia that leaves her burned out on fame, Virginia’s owner Penelope goes back to the boring boyfriend…who isn’t even that nice when you get right down to it.
On the other hand, we’re left with some hope. The last time we see them, his penis is singing, too, so perhaps he was frustrated by all the perfunctory, unimaginative sex they’d been having before and is now prepared to learn better.
The Seventies, man. The Seventies.
I meant MRAL’s getting pissy at Dracula for not being attracted to Katy Perry. The movie sounds odd too, but in a good way, or maybe just in a 70s way. It wasn’t until my teens that it dawned on me that my parents and their friends had spent most of the 70s wasted.
For me, men have the tendency to become more attractive depending on their close proximity to cute animals.
http://igossip.com/gossip/Jake_Gyllenhaal_-20/553132
but it’s not like Jake Gyllenhaal wasn’t gorgeous before…
Srsly inorite? I don’t get it at all. I mean, bad writing, yes, but even that this has become some sort of shorthand for OMG HOT. Is it some kind of number fetish? What time *does* the train get into the station?
It isn’t just MRAL. Most people don’t seem to have much of a grasp of how bra sizes work. I always like to do the experiment of plugging my measurements into various bra size calculators online. I got anywhere from 34B to 42AAA. On one it said my boobs don’t exist, since the difference between band and bust was only 2.5 inches.
Doesn’t really matter. Basically, I just wear stretchy bras and to heck with it, since (oh noes) I have no tits anyhow and cup bras make me look like I had a bad boob job. Stretchy bras just make sure everything stays in one place most of the time. I guess titless me is unappealing to someone like MRAL. HURRAY!!
Regarding Christmas Cake, last I heard the average age of marriage in Japan was 25 for women. I did meet a lot of people who got married around 40 or late 30s because the working lifestyle of most salarymen doesn’t really allow for a whole lot of dating and meeting girls (also, the whole socially awkward thing, which seems to be on the rise).
But a lot of young women are still out in college to get their MRS, or work for a few years before getting married and quitting (and many companies will still encourage you to quit after marriage or just never promote you in the first place so that nothing bad will happen if you do get married and/or have babies). Which is frustrating and sad. I don’t know how many bright young women I met who aspired to work a few years and then get married and become a housewife. The society encourages that, so … well …
Oh. Yeah, that’s weird, but it’s consistent. He’s pretty much always considered disagreement to be the same thing as telling the other person they’re wrong. After all, that’s how he’s always done it.
That, and he probably still believes in that asinine Greek system. Remember the tantrum he had a while back when someone said they weren’t attracted to Brad Pitt, and he took that to mean that they, having scorned the archetypal Alpha, must think that much less of all other men (especially himself)?
Found the bachelor’s version of the young ladies’ list. It’s much longer, it goes from age 16 to 60, so I’ll only put it here if anyone’s interested.
Well, to be fair, Lesbians are rather crunchy.
Oh, please do!
The amount of college aged (high school too) women who are still planning on MRS degrees is pretty surprising. I live in a heavily populated military town and being an army wife is actually considered some type of occupation. Not that stay at home moms don’t do a lot of work, I just can’t imagine that being married a soldier to be a way of living that would be my first option. I’m pretty privileged though.
However, for those women who can’t afford to go to college and are largely uneducated I can empathized that army wife might be one of the few options that they have available to support themselves after they get past the age of living with their parents.
Hmmmm….it appears I’ve been placed on moderation
No. Although, put in that light, one might consider that banning him would really be for the benefit of his personal growth. Boundary setting and alla that.
“That, and he probably still believes in that asinine Greek system. Remember the tantrum he had a while back when someone said they weren’t attracted to Brad Pitt, and he took that to mean that they, having scorned the archetypal Alpha, must think that much less of all other men (especially himself)?”
Actually that may have been me…again, blonds. Pitt rather strongly resembles what I imagine my childhood enemy would look like as an adult, based on the last time I saw him when he was a teenager, which is not really conducive to thinking sexy thoughts about him. (That must baffle MRAL, actually, since he seems to think that it’s normal to feel hostility towards people you’re attracted to.)
The whole Greek thing is so odd. I mean sure, there are some things that are universally considered attractive almost anywhere (symmetrical features, clear skin), and you can more or less determine who is and isn’t considered conventionally attractive, but there’s so much variation in terms of actual individual preferences that the whole system becomes meaningless as soon as you try to apply it to actual dating behavior. I mean look at the guys I’ve been posting here – I’m willing to bet that the a high percentage of women here wouldn’t agree with me on some or most of them, and that would be the case for almost anyone who posted their list of men they have the hots for. There’s usually some overlap – apparently everyone here wants to bang David Tennant and Naveen Andrews – but even then, check it out – we have 2 men who seem to be very popular with the women here, and they look nothing like each other.
Well, good people…as I await to taken off moderation, you will be happy to know that I am exfoliating with my new butterfly knife.