You know what they say about stopped clocks – they’re right twice a day. The same is true with MRAs, though it happens a bit less frequently. Consider a Spearhead guest post from a while back titled Caveat Amator: Strategies for Men Before, During and After False Allegations, recently brought to my attention by Manboobzer extraordinaire Ami Angelwings, whose Escher Girls blog you should totally go look at.
The post, by Ken Kupstis, is mostly a bunch of standard-issue MRA hysteria about false allegations and evil false alleging ladies, complete with a bunch of possibly dubious legal advice.
But mixed in with the paranoia there’s some advice that is actually quite sensible and that, if followed, will not so much help men avoid false rape accusations as help keep them from raping women.
In the section of the post dealing with that supremely fraught all-caps moment BEFORE HAVING SEX WITH A WOMAN, Kupstis recommends that men stop and ask themselves a few questions:
Is she SOBER? Very inebriated women may claim to want or even demand sex, but it may be wise to see if “that was the alcohol talking”.
Good advice! Fact is, seriously inebriated people cannot consent to sex! If you have sex with someone who’s wasted (or unconscious), that is actually rape, and you may well find yourself the target of a real rape accusastion – nothing false about it.
Has she verbally consented to sex? It is better to ask “Do you want to make love?” and receive a positive response then to merely assume she’s consenting to sex via body language.
Also good! Consent should be crystal clear. People who actually do want to have sex with you will not be offended if you ask to make sure! If you’re worried that someone will say no if you ask them directly, you should not be having sex with that person! If you ask and they do say no, respect that no. If your idea of “seduction” means pawing at and pressuring a woman until she gives in, you’re not a master of seduction. You’re a rapist.
Does she display or claim enthusiasm for BDSM (bondage and sadomasochism) activities? As exciting as it may seem, do not permit a barely-known woman to handcuff you to anything (that you can’t break loose from on your own)!
Also good advice! Don’t let someone you barely know anything about put you in handcuffs! (No ethical BDSMer will try to pressure you into anything like this.) Here’s the thing: Because of the inherent dangers of bondage and whipping and other such activities, BDSM has the potential to go very, very wrong very, very fast. BDSMers know this.
And that’s why the BDSM community has set in place safeguards to try to prevent this from happening — essentially codifying an explicit bunch of rules and practices to make sure that everyone involved in a BDSM session has consented at every step of the way. (This can sometimes mean literally filling out a checklist before the start of a session.) The slogan? “Safe, Sane and Consensual.”
Which is a pretty good slogan for sex in general. As sex blogger Clarisse Thorn notes, even those who would never dream of trying anything kinky can learn a lot from the ways in which the BDSM deals with the issue of consent — and incorporate this into their own sex lives. (Even the checklists, if you so desire!)
Kupstis continues on with this theme:
Does she claim to ‘like it rough’? Even if so, that claim does not obligate you to play rough. No matter how insistent she may be, you should not bruise or break the skin.
Also good advice. You are not obliged to “play rough” with a partner if you don’t want to. (That’s how sexual consent works: everyone has veto power, at any point in time.) And you shouldn’t leave bruises, not with a first time partner and not unless you know they’re ok with that. Plenty of BDSM submissives don’t mind, and in some cases actually like bruises. But you need to ask first. See my comments about BDSM above.
During foreplay, or before or during coitus, does she ‘tense up’, act frightened or apprehensive? Does she cry? If so, she may have been previously raped or molested. Her sex drive still exists, but she may psychologically equate sex with pain, servitude or dishonor.
If a woman “tenses up,” seems scared, or otherwise freaks out during sex, STOP IMMEDIATELY. Aside from the reasons already listed, there are any number of other things that might cause someone to react like this. For example, you could be raping her. (Did you remember that bit above about getting clear consent?) Or, even if she did consent at first, she may have changed her mind (consent is an ongoing thing, and anyone can remove consent at any point for any reason). Or you may be hurting her. The list goes on.
Whatever the reason, STOP AT ONCE, comfort her (don’t confront her), and try to figure out what is going on. (This all applies regardless of gender and/or sexual oriantation.)
Other advice in the Spearhead piece doesn’t really bear on the rape issue, but is simple common sense:
Are you using Birth Control? Note that while she may claim to be using birth control, it does not automatically mean that she is…she may normally be on birth control but has forgotten to take it, or is experiencing a false period, or is using a form of birth control with a lower rate of effectiveness. Most of these factors have not legally excused men for having to pay child support, although they should.
Using birth control is good! If you are having sex with someone you don’t know well, you should use a condom, no matter what birth control they are using (or say that they are using).
Do you know her FULL NAME? (Thousands of men have only needed to hear “Hi, I’m Bambi”, and it’s good enough for them.)
Another good question to ask yourself! (Though admittedly some of us have probably broken this rule once or twice.) Knowing a bit about your sexual partner is always good!
Also, if she’s named Bambi, ask her if she’s an entomologist, because entomologists are cool.
My favorite Spearhead comment for this article comes from intp:
Geez. After reading this article I’d rather play catch with a beaker of nitroglycerine than get near a woman.
How about this? Until all the Communists, corrupting our institutions in the West, have been identified and expelled or executed just avoid women in the West.
Treat Western Women like the malignant cancer they have become.
Intp, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS STRATEGY FOR YOU. At least the part about you avoiding women (not so much the executions thing). Stay far, far away from women. And the rest of us, too, while you’re at it.
Oh, and in case anyone is keeping score, intp’s comment (including the murder) got two dozen upvotes and no downvotes from the Spearhead crowd.
@Holly
TBH, I feel that if no one feels coerced then it shouldn’t be classified as rape. I DO think that consent given when extremely inebriated is suspect at best, so if someone feels that they were coerced the next day then they have a legitimate case. But a drunken hook up, between two adults (or two kids) that the participants consider consentual IS consentual.
David Futrelle can fly, but chooses not to.
David Futrelle shot the Deputy. AND The Sheriff.
Bob Marley heard his own gun go off, and assumed it had hit the target. But really, he’d missed, and Futrelle’s bullet had taken them both out.
It’s a day that ends in y, that’s the same thing to these sad twits XD
David Futrelle once carved a working passenger airplane out of soapstone.
David Futrelle IS the grassy knoll! Also, he shot JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald was just some manginas that the feminists framed!!
*mangina
David Futrelle was not born. He was hatched.
He’s the one who cancelled Star Trek!
David Futrelle’s genetic code and consciousness backup being secretly hosted on Megaupload was the sole reason for the takedown.
You mean he really IS a feminist plot?!!!!
*wipes pieces of mind off of screen*
this is what I thought. It’s not necessarily rape if the person wasn’t coerced or was not drunk to the point of not being able to consent. Even if they wake up the next day and decide they regret having sex, does not mean they didn’t consent to it. But if they were so drunk and did not consent, then it is rape.
In all honesty it just sounds like MRAs are pissed that you can’t fuck drunk women who are 2 seconds away from passing out and get away with it anymore.
David has precisely $47.35 in his pocket right now.
David Futrelle likes his meat so rare, he only eats unicorns.
Antz,others have already covered this topic pretty thoroughly, but just to make clear, but when I used the word “people” in that sentence I meant “people,” not “people except men because i am an evil man-hating feminst.” (I’m not, actually.)
If a guy is seriously inebriated or unconscious, and a woman straps on a dildo and pegs him, she is raping him, even if he mumbled something about consent.
If she does other sexual things to him, they may or may not fit the legal definition of rape, but they are still sexual assault.
Also, the FBI cannot change the laws. That’s not how the government works. The new FBI guidelines are for statistical purposes. All the laws about rape, for better or worse, are exactly the same as they were before the FBI changed its definition.
In all honesty it just sounds like MRAs are pissed that you can’t fuck drunk women who are 2 seconds away from passing out and get away with it anymore.
I think far too many people still do get away with it.
David IS contributing to this thread right now. Behind the scenes. His manipulations so subtle we don’t even know we’re posting exactly what he wants us to.
It can depend on the mistake though for evidence to be precluded from coming in. I mean if it is Arizona v Gant then yep, precluded.
David Futrelle holds the silver medal in synchronized skipping.
Every day is Make Up Shit About Futrelle Day in the manosphere! It’s fairly rare for MRAs/MGTOWers/PUAs to say things about me that are actually true.
But that thing about me being able to fly? that’s true.
@Roscoe
We are about to find out if you have thick skin or not.
However, I question your methodology. Why be reasonable? Feminists do not come here to listen. They cannot be reasoned with or convinced. They feel no pity, no remorse, and no compassion. It is like trying to reason with “the terminator”.
It is better to be irritating and provocative.
@Dracula
Sadly that’s true 🙁
“It is better to be irritating and provocative.”
Odd that you’ve chosen to be boring and repetitive, then.
“It is better to be irritating and provocative.”
bug the hell out of people, that’ll make em want to consider your point! LOGIC!!!
Yeah Roscoe, you should just lie and be annoying like AntZ does. Seriously AntZ, you just straight up admitted you don’t use reason. You think that makes us look bad?