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MRAs and Children First: The Spearhead on the Costa Concordia disaster

From The Spearhead, where feminists dying is HILARIOUS.

Most of the coverage of the Costa Concordia disaster at the moment seems to be focusing on the Italian cruise ship’s captain and his douchey behavior, which involved not only running the ship aground but also abandoning ship prestissimo while passengers remained trapped on board.

MRAs, by contrast, are using the tragedy as an excuse to rail against the notion of “women and children first” and, of course, to make jokes about women drowning.

Now, the Titanic aside, “women and children first” isn’t now, and hasn’t ever really been, the standard way to evacuate those on a sinking ship, though many in the public — including some of those who were on board the Costa Concordia – seem to believe that it is. (See here for more details on how evacuations are typically handled these days; generally only those with mobility problems are given special treatment.)

In the case of this particular evacuation, some on board apparently tried to enforce an informal “women and children” policy, but many men weren’t willing to wait.

What’s got some MRAs in a snit is that some people, in the media and online, are calling these dudes cowards. In The Daily Mail, a right-wing British tabloid, A N Wilson wrote:

[I]n our day, with the advent of feminism and  the professional woman, chivalry and manners are considered stuffy and old-fashioned.

As the father of three daughters, I do not, with a single fibre of my being, wish to go back to a time when women could not have the vote or get a university degree. Nor do I, surrounded by extremely strong-charactered and intelligent women in my family and among my friends, feel tempted to regard women as the frail sex.

But the fact remains that there is a longing among most men to protect women and children, and chivalry is simply a manifestation of that longing.

And whatever transpires about the reason for the Costa Concordia disaster, the disappearance of a chivalric code is a sorry reflection on society today.

This is not what you’d call a feminist argument; it’s a traditionalist argument, published in a tabloid rag that’s generally quite hostile to feminism.

Nonetheless, some MRAs are using the Costa Concordia disaster as an opportunity to deliver a big “told you so!” to the … imaginary feminists who live in their head.

Over on The Spearhead, where one familiar commenter actually described Wilson’s Daily Mail article as “feminist,” guest poster Lyn87 wrote:

The MRM is getting more vocal, and a lot of guys are now saying, “You wanted equality. This is what it looks like.” And they are saying it aloud and in public. Even a few women chimed in, saying that men have no obligation to die for women if women want equality. (Somehow I suspect there wasn’t much, “I am woman, hear me roar, watch me drown” on the Costa Concordia itself, but hey, it’s a start.)

MRAs: Always up-to-the-minute with their pop culture references!

This post was helpfully illustrated with a stock photo of a woman drowning.

Commenters got in their digs as well.

Keyster riffed on Lyn87’s incredibly au courant Helen Reddy reference:

I am woman hear me…blurp….rah…gurgle…raha…ffftt…orr…roar…gurgle…help me…somebody…fffft…please…blurp…help…help me please!

Aharon told both ladies and fish what’s what:

I eat fish. Fish don’t eat me. My life is too precious to sacrifice it so some spoiled bitch can have a pussy pass into the life boats.

Anti Idiocy got all hypothetical-cruise-ship tough guy on us:

Anyone who attempts to keep me on a sinking ship because of the genitals with which I was born is attempting to murder me. I have the right to respond accordingly.

And Thomas Tell-truth kicked chivalry – not to mention basic human decency — to the ocean floor:

Equality means that when the ship is going down and you are a woman, you had better get out of my way or you are going to drown with my footprints on your back.

Apparently Thomas Tell-truth is actually George Costanza:

Jeb, meanwhile, offered a more scientific rationalization for being a complete douchenozzle:

As far as I’ve heard, the one and only sport in which women naturally out-do men is endurance swimming. Women are also more bouyant, and as survivalists will explain, women float easiest on their backs (making it easy to breathe while expending minimal energy) whereas men float easiest in “the dead man’s float” (ie. face down, head in the water) and must expend more energy to stay alive. Furthermore, women have more body-fat than men which insulates them better against aquatic dangers such as hypothermia.

Given all these factors it is quite rational for men to pick women up by the seat of their pants and toss them overboard to make way for men and children to safely be rowed ashore on the lifeboats.

It’s all about doing the right thing and saving lives, after all.

MRA humor is very sophisticated indeed.

EDITED TO ADD:  The Spearhead has put up a followup post, once again taking aim at imaginary “lifeboat feminists,” though the only person the post cites lamenting the end of “women and children” is Rich Lowry from the National Review (not a feminist publication).

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efasfas
efasfas
13 years ago

@ Holly Pervocracy

Um no. I was making an analogy about gender based separation because a previous argument got into strength due to the idea that women are weaker then men and then someone else said it was small and negligible (hint hint).

You’re just too slow to keep up.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I’m listening to something on the radio… using your biological determinist knowledge… what am I listening to? o:

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

efasfas | January 31, 2012 at 4:26 pm

@ Holly Pervocracy

Um no. I was making an analogy about gender based separation because a previous argument got into strength due to the idea that women are weaker then men and then someone else said it was small and negligible (hint hint).

You’re just too slow to keep up.

She’s not the one who’s too slow in this convo xD

efasfas
efasfas
13 years ago

@ Ami Angelwings

What is with you that if I respond to you I didn’t rest my case?

Ok case-rester I’m just having fun at this point and messing around.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

You said you rested your case. xD

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

If you were having fun, you wouldn’t be so flaily and angry xD

Rutee Katreya
13 years ago

If women are as intelligent as you say, how come women were barred for so long (according to feminist theory)

Dude, are you contesting the historical discrimination against women in most of the globe that prevented them from living lives as free as their male counterparts? How stupid can you be?

The best way to put it is is biology manifest itself through society.

Which is why societies can end up setting up completely opposite methods for the same damn thing. Doctoring requires intelligence, so it’s the field for men, and high status (In the USA). But it’s about taking care of people, so it’s girly, and low status (In Soviet Russia, at least).

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Have you rested your case yet? Or is your case still unmade and unconvincing? o_O

efasfas
efasfas
13 years ago

@ Ami Angelwings

Yes I’m afraid! And threatened!

By strong smart women like yourself!

It is too much for me. I can’t take it.

I’m going to implode.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Are you? o:

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

You certainly are acting afraid and threatened xD Ignoring whole paragraphs b/c they debunked your unifying theory of the universe… ignoring everything else being said… etc etc xD

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Also I have that affect on ppl. It’s okay xD NWOslave’s started a support group for survivors of Ami xD Don’t worry, there’s no feelings sharing, just WoW and UFC 😀

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

*effect

efasfas
efasfas
13 years ago

@ Ami Angelwings

Ok you are writing in separate post and I can’t keep up with you always using one sentence with a topic that what talked about in one post.

efasfas
efasfas
13 years ago

“Gosh, efasfas, you sound upset about what people are saying here. You sure are talking a lot with us in order to express the feelings you have about your opinions.

Also, the way you type as if every man’s life is basically nonstop action and shooting and fighting INCOMING GET DOWN KABLAM run run run car chase fistfight… it makes me roughly 75% certain that you have a desk job and that your favorite hobbies are performed while sitting down.

Not that there’s anything wrong with that! But guys who actually have dangerous lives tend to do a lot less tough-guy glamorizing. I’ve never had an actual soldier try to convince me that life in the military was all Serious Sam run-and-gun without a moment of downtime nor a flicker of emotion.”

Can I not enjoy myself! I’m not upset. This is a lot of fun actually.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

efasfas | January 31, 2012 at 4:33 pm

@ Ami Angelwings

Ok you are writing in separate post and I can’t keep up with you always using one sentence with a topic that what talked about in one post.

I thought Holly was the one who couldn’t keep up XD

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Can I not enjoy myself! I’m not upset. This is a lot of fun actually.

Good! 😀

So then you should be acting like your’e having fun not angry XD

And be responding to me 😀 Since it’s fun!

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

If you’re having fun, then why are you avoiding responding to me if it’s so much fun? XD

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Or is it TOOOOO much fun? 😀

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

I love how efafasafawhatever keeps pounding the “women are weaker than men” drum, despite us telling him a million times that this statement isn’t wrong, it’s meaningless. It’s like saying “shirts cost more than pants.”

There’s a lot of different shirts and pants in this world, man, and if I tell you my shirt cost $15, you’re not going to know what my pants cost. If this sounds silly, that’s because what you’re saying is just as ludicrous.

Also, in my experience men who make a big deal out of the strength their sex gives them aren’t very strong at all. Because if they were athletes, they’d have worked on their strength, and after years of hard work in the gym they wouldn’t be under any illusion that testicles are a free pass to mega fitness. Plus they’d have more to take pride in than “being born with testicles.”

Bostonian
13 years ago

It hardly takes psychic powers to read what you say and note the MRA talking points.

efasfas
efasfas
13 years ago

@ Ami Angelwings

“So assuming their male vs female world… MRAs vs Feminists.. wouldn’t all that happen be, feminists have the best survivability? Cuz we work together and we won’t turn on each other, while they have to have their UFC death matches, 100m dashes and weightlifting contests first and screw everybody else!!!! XD By the time the remaining haggard, tired men make it out (and there’d be very few if George Constanza dude up there has his way, and definitely no boys or elderly) even if in 1 on 1 tests of strength they could defeat our very best, it would be inconsequential b/c we’d be organized and have numbers xD

Oh wait… working together is cheating… EVERYTHING SHOULD BE ONE ON ONE SHORT DASHES AND WEIGHTLIFTING XD

This is really a strange world he lives in xD”

Indeed you don’t fight against each other. Part of the hive mind that thinks the same with no intellectual thought. Of course when trying to convince that other is still be oppressed by the evil patriarchy THAT CONTROLS us all.

Feminist professors like these are leading mankind, comrade !

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Indeed you don’t fight against each other. Part of the hive mind that thinks the same with no intellectual thought. Of course when trying to convince that other is still be oppressed by the evil patriarchy THAT CONTROLS us all.

Either way, we win. xD JOIN US! 😀

BETTER SURVIVABILITY 😀

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Notice how I’ve already pointed out how his way makes his survivability works and now he’s trying to derail into the feminist conspiracy rather than admitting, yeah… working together > RAWR SHIV EVERYBODY ONLY I MUST SURVIVE xD

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I love Winnie the Pooh 😀 I wanted the new Winnipeg hockey team to be called the Winnipeg Pooh Bears 😀 (if it wasn’t going to be the Jets, which it is was so yay 😀 )

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