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MRAs and Children First: The Spearhead on the Costa Concordia disaster

From The Spearhead, where feminists dying is HILARIOUS.

Most of the coverage of the Costa Concordia disaster at the moment seems to be focusing on the Italian cruise ship’s captain and his douchey behavior, which involved not only running the ship aground but also abandoning ship prestissimo while passengers remained trapped on board.

MRAs, by contrast, are using the tragedy as an excuse to rail against the notion of “women and children first” and, of course, to make jokes about women drowning.

Now, the Titanic aside, “women and children first” isn’t now, and hasn’t ever really been, the standard way to evacuate those on a sinking ship, though many in the public — including some of those who were on board the Costa Concordia – seem to believe that it is. (See here for more details on how evacuations are typically handled these days; generally only those with mobility problems are given special treatment.)

In the case of this particular evacuation, some on board apparently tried to enforce an informal “women and children” policy, but many men weren’t willing to wait.

What’s got some MRAs in a snit is that some people, in the media and online, are calling these dudes cowards. In The Daily Mail, a right-wing British tabloid, A N Wilson wrote:

[I]n our day, with the advent of feminism and  the professional woman, chivalry and manners are considered stuffy and old-fashioned.

As the father of three daughters, I do not, with a single fibre of my being, wish to go back to a time when women could not have the vote or get a university degree. Nor do I, surrounded by extremely strong-charactered and intelligent women in my family and among my friends, feel tempted to regard women as the frail sex.

But the fact remains that there is a longing among most men to protect women and children, and chivalry is simply a manifestation of that longing.

And whatever transpires about the reason for the Costa Concordia disaster, the disappearance of a chivalric code is a sorry reflection on society today.

This is not what you’d call a feminist argument; it’s a traditionalist argument, published in a tabloid rag that’s generally quite hostile to feminism.

Nonetheless, some MRAs are using the Costa Concordia disaster as an opportunity to deliver a big “told you so!” to the … imaginary feminists who live in their head.

Over on The Spearhead, where one familiar commenter actually described Wilson’s Daily Mail article as “feminist,” guest poster Lyn87 wrote:

The MRM is getting more vocal, and a lot of guys are now saying, “You wanted equality. This is what it looks like.” And they are saying it aloud and in public. Even a few women chimed in, saying that men have no obligation to die for women if women want equality. (Somehow I suspect there wasn’t much, “I am woman, hear me roar, watch me drown” on the Costa Concordia itself, but hey, it’s a start.)

MRAs: Always up-to-the-minute with their pop culture references!

This post was helpfully illustrated with a stock photo of a woman drowning.

Commenters got in their digs as well.

Keyster riffed on Lyn87’s incredibly au courant Helen Reddy reference:

I am woman hear me…blurp….rah…gurgle…raha…ffftt…orr…roar…gurgle…help me…somebody…fffft…please…blurp…help…help me please!

Aharon told both ladies and fish what’s what:

I eat fish. Fish don’t eat me. My life is too precious to sacrifice it so some spoiled bitch can have a pussy pass into the life boats.

Anti Idiocy got all hypothetical-cruise-ship tough guy on us:

Anyone who attempts to keep me on a sinking ship because of the genitals with which I was born is attempting to murder me. I have the right to respond accordingly.

And Thomas Tell-truth kicked chivalry – not to mention basic human decency — to the ocean floor:

Equality means that when the ship is going down and you are a woman, you had better get out of my way or you are going to drown with my footprints on your back.

Apparently Thomas Tell-truth is actually George Costanza:

Jeb, meanwhile, offered a more scientific rationalization for being a complete douchenozzle:

As far as I’ve heard, the one and only sport in which women naturally out-do men is endurance swimming. Women are also more bouyant, and as survivalists will explain, women float easiest on their backs (making it easy to breathe while expending minimal energy) whereas men float easiest in “the dead man’s float” (ie. face down, head in the water) and must expend more energy to stay alive. Furthermore, women have more body-fat than men which insulates them better against aquatic dangers such as hypothermia.

Given all these factors it is quite rational for men to pick women up by the seat of their pants and toss them overboard to make way for men and children to safely be rowed ashore on the lifeboats.

It’s all about doing the right thing and saving lives, after all.

MRA humor is very sophisticated indeed.

EDITED TO ADD:  The Spearhead has put up a followup post, once again taking aim at imaginary “lifeboat feminists,” though the only person the post cites lamenting the end of “women and children” is Rich Lowry from the National Review (not a feminist publication).

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Amused
12 years ago

Right back at you, bigot.

Why do you keep calling ppl bigots? o_O

Because he’s garbage.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

@Ami: We can use the picture of me lassoing my cat.

THE LASSO OF FEMINISM

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

Men’s Rights Activist Lieutenant | January 18, 2012 at 4:32 pm

Of course I’m emotionally hurt by my interactions here (waiting for people to twist that into me “manipulating” the commentariat). I disagree with the majority, and everyone makes it a point to sit around calling me the worst names they can possibly think of. Then after being called a shitstain, a twisted vile woman hater, and a disposable whiny piece of shit, I get even a LITTLE bit angry and people start psychoanalyzing my so-called “abusive” personality.

So these names actually hurt you? What if they only said them in anger, or in haste?

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
12 years ago

BlackBloc:

“an implied dig at how feminists are women are bad at math”

Sheesh. Not only are you bad at math, it seems basic English is beyond your grasp too. Not that I’m particularly surprised.

How do you do a difference of means test, Geese? Since you’re a freaking math genius that shouldn’t be too hard. Can you demonstrate Godel’s incompleteness Theorem to the class? What’s a manifold? Can you explain Bayes’ Theorem? More importantly, can you explain what are its implications vis-a-vis the scientific notion of ’cause’ versus correlation, and therefore why frequentists really don’t like Bayesian statistics? (You know, just so we can have a reason to think you understand math rather than simply regurgitate the contents of your class work.)

As for my English, I do tend to sneak in some technically bad English on purpose because I consider certain features of other languages (here, programming languages) to be more efficient and desirable. For instance, the capability of doing

a = b = c

in C++, ported over to English as “feminists are women are bad at math”.

And yes, I’m a huge nerd. Duh. Tell me something I don’t know.

zhinxy
12 years ago

Blackbloc and anybody else here, I know we got the linguistic geeks in the house – Do you have any experience with lojban?

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

I think MRAL stays here b/c of his insecurity about his status in society -_- It’s sort of a “I CAN BE WHEREVER I WANT AND I WANT TO BE HERE BECAUSE YOU DON’T WANT ME TO I AM NOT BEING PUSHED AROUND LIKE IRL” so he stays even though apparently he’s emotionally hurt by just being here o_O (which comes out of nowhere and isn’t ppl getting angry at him for being an asshole deliberately to ppl, but it’s always okay cuz he’s either angry or in a rush xD )

Bostonian
12 years ago

Yo Geese… wrong gender for your “harem”.

Yo mama’s food so repulsive it hovers.

zhinxy
12 years ago

Ami – I think that’s part of it too. Regardless, being in the place where his many manifold issues bleed out, even if you get different flavors in different eras is just not fun.

I was thinking of learning lojban and trying to translate logical mra talk into predicate logic based speech….

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

Lauralot | January 18, 2012 at 4:39 pm

@Ami: We can use the picture of me lassoing my cat.

THE LASSO OF FEMINISM

My cat is female so she isn’t disposable like your cat xD

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

Bostonian | January 18, 2012 at 4:45 pm

Yo Geese… wrong gender for your “harem”.

We shouldn’t assume what genders are in his harem. :3

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

I GOT ON THE LIFEBOAT BEFORE MY CAT

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

so he stays even though apparently he’s emotionally hurt by just being here o_O

Or he’s just full of shit and still thinks the sympathy gig will work. My money’s on that one, again.

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

ME AND MY CAT SABOTAGE LIFEBOATS JUST SO THERE AREN’T ENOUGH FOR EVERYBODY AND SOME MEN WILL HAVE TO DIE

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

WE ALSO CREATE ICEBERGS FOR FUN

Xardoz
Xardoz
12 years ago

Why do you keep calling ppl bigots? o_O

Simple MRAbot programming. You know how you can change the animals’ catchphrases in Animal Crossing? Yeah, it’s like that. That’s why he ends every other sentence with “BIGOTS” nonsensically. 😀

Kelly
Kelly
12 years ago

Mral here is a good song you should listen to ‘Not the doctor’ by Alanis Morissette.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/alanismorissette/notthedoctor.html

My fave part is: “I don’t want to be your idol, see this pedestal is high and I’m afraid of heights.” Aren’t I subtle?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
12 years ago

MRAL, I have never, not once called you a name much less the other ones that you have been called.

Not only that but you have called me and all the women here names. So once again, GO AWAY.

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

But he only says those things in anger… or haste. So it’s okay xD

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

MRAL, has it not occurred to you that the reason you being called abusive is that a lot of people here are, in fact, intimately familiar with what abusive patterns of behavior look like, and you are fucking displaying them? Or course it hasn’t.

aMiRA
aMiRA
12 years ago

My fave part is: “I don’t want to be your idol, see this pedestal is high and I’m afraid of heights.” Aren’t I subtle?

Entitled fucking women. You’re afraid of heights and of course we have to accommodate you too? You don’t just want a pedestal, but one low to the ground to keep you safe too? WAH WAH WAH Even our pedestals aren’t good enough for you princesses.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
12 years ago

All right, I’m leaving.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

I HAVE MADE AN IMAGE

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Lauralot/huntthemammoth.jpg

ACTUALLY I MADE MY CAT TYPE IT FOR ME

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

So… srsly…

what IS with the MRAs and the Titanic?

Like what do they want us to do about it? o_O Time travel?

Has anybody ever thought of the poor iceberg by the way? I want to go back in time and motor by the iceberg and hold out my hand. “Come with me if you want to live.”

Ami Angelwings
12 years ago

AWWWWW

HAHAHAHA That’s awesome Lauralot! 😀

Is that actually you and your cat? o:

Dracula
Dracula
12 years ago

Stay away this time. For your sake as well as ours.

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