Most of the coverage of the Costa Concordia disaster at the moment seems to be focusing on the Italian cruise ship’s captain and his douchey behavior, which involved not only running the ship aground but also abandoning ship prestissimo while passengers remained trapped on board.
MRAs, by contrast, are using the tragedy as an excuse to rail against the notion of “women and children first” and, of course, to make jokes about women drowning.
Now, the Titanic aside, “women and children first” isn’t now, and hasn’t ever really been, the standard way to evacuate those on a sinking ship, though many in the public — including some of those who were on board the Costa Concordia – seem to believe that it is. (See here for more details on how evacuations are typically handled these days; generally only those with mobility problems are given special treatment.)
In the case of this particular evacuation, some on board apparently tried to enforce an informal “women and children” policy, but many men weren’t willing to wait.
What’s got some MRAs in a snit is that some people, in the media and online, are calling these dudes cowards. In The Daily Mail, a right-wing British tabloid, A N Wilson wrote:
[I]n our day, with the advent of feminism and the professional woman, chivalry and manners are considered stuffy and old-fashioned.
As the father of three daughters, I do not, with a single fibre of my being, wish to go back to a time when women could not have the vote or get a university degree. Nor do I, surrounded by extremely strong-charactered and intelligent women in my family and among my friends, feel tempted to regard women as the frail sex.
But the fact remains that there is a longing among most men to protect women and children, and chivalry is simply a manifestation of that longing.
And whatever transpires about the reason for the Costa Concordia disaster, the disappearance of a chivalric code is a sorry reflection on society today.
This is not what you’d call a feminist argument; it’s a traditionalist argument, published in a tabloid rag that’s generally quite hostile to feminism.
Nonetheless, some MRAs are using the Costa Concordia disaster as an opportunity to deliver a big “told you so!” to the … imaginary feminists who live in their head.
Over on The Spearhead, where one familiar commenter actually described Wilson’s Daily Mail article as “feminist,” guest poster Lyn87 wrote:
The MRM is getting more vocal, and a lot of guys are now saying, “You wanted equality. This is what it looks like.” And they are saying it aloud and in public. Even a few women chimed in, saying that men have no obligation to die for women if women want equality. (Somehow I suspect there wasn’t much, “I am woman, hear me roar, watch me drown” on the Costa Concordia itself, but hey, it’s a start.)
MRAs: Always up-to-the-minute with their pop culture references!
This post was helpfully illustrated with a stock photo of a woman drowning.
Commenters got in their digs as well.
Keyster riffed on Lyn87’s incredibly au courant Helen Reddy reference:
I am woman hear me…blurp….rah…gurgle…raha…ffftt…orr…roar…gurgle…help me…somebody…fffft…please…blurp…help…help me please!
Aharon told both ladies and fish what’s what:
I eat fish. Fish don’t eat me. My life is too precious to sacrifice it so some spoiled bitch can have a pussy pass into the life boats.
Anti Idiocy got all hypothetical-cruise-ship tough guy on us:
Anyone who attempts to keep me on a sinking ship because of the genitals with which I was born is attempting to murder me. I have the right to respond accordingly.
And Thomas Tell-truth kicked chivalry – not to mention basic human decency — to the ocean floor:
Equality means that when the ship is going down and you are a woman, you had better get out of my way or you are going to drown with my footprints on your back.
Apparently Thomas Tell-truth is actually George Costanza:
Jeb, meanwhile, offered a more scientific rationalization for being a complete douchenozzle:
As far as I’ve heard, the one and only sport in which women naturally out-do men is endurance swimming. Women are also more bouyant, and as survivalists will explain, women float easiest on their backs (making it easy to breathe while expending minimal energy) whereas men float easiest in “the dead man’s float” (ie. face down, head in the water) and must expend more energy to stay alive. Furthermore, women have more body-fat than men which insulates them better against aquatic dangers such as hypothermia.
Given all these factors it is quite rational for men to pick women up by the seat of their pants and toss them overboard to make way for men and children to safely be rowed ashore on the lifeboats.
It’s all about doing the right thing and saving lives, after all.
MRA humor is very sophisticated indeed.
EDITED TO ADD: The Spearhead has put up a followup post, once again taking aim at imaginary “lifeboat feminists,” though the only person the post cites lamenting the end of “women and children” is Rich Lowry from the National Review (not a feminist publication).
We already knew that you’re a cartoon. 😉
And now feminists are joking about an actual terrorist group, and it’s supposed to be the MRM who are potential terrorists?
The only way this comment could be better is if Kate Beaton made it into a comic.
http://www.salon.com/2000/03/14/pistol/
A terrorist group that murders straight men. Of course, this is all just a joke to you.
@Amused
My manly alpha rationalisation wolf says.. yes
@Seraph
I was trying to think of a way to tell Amused that without blowing the whistle cos the potential for more Geese/aMiRA interaction was too tempting!
I have a pink gun. No joke.
It shoots bullets just as fast as the black kind. Don’t underestimate my gun because it’s got different paint on it. 🙂
Everyone knows about Parallel Universe Obama’s Boobs4Guns program. This is the same bizarre dimension MRAs hail from, where feminists just LUV chivalry.
@Holly
I’ll die laughing. Actually, that sounds very Harley Quinnish of you *peers suspiciously*
You notice that Holly Pervocracy neglects to mention WHO she shoots at.
I don’t know about the rest of you all, but I’m finding MRAL to be eminently disposable.
However, thanks to all (including MRAL! OMG who actually LINKED to a source) for getting me more up to date on the TITANIC (the ONE disaster that universally proves women are much more important than men).
“While male suicide rates are a legitimate issue, women aren’t to blame for it. ”
Check this out, bigot.
Sorry, this thread seems to be travelling “full speed ahead”, but was there any relevance in dredging up the Titanic as being in any way relevant to what happened to the Costa Concordia? Oh, I see, a captain taking unjustified risks and then acting like a douchebag
co-ordinatingleading the evacuation from acentral point on the shiplifeboat. (Whereas Captain Smith at least had the decency to go down with his vessel.)Oh, and MRAL, way to demonstrate being a lesser douchebag. It’s surprising that some people have to dredge up a century-old disaster and still miss the fucking obvious, but this is the MRM we’re talking about. Hardly the sharpest intellects on the planet.
Which former troll is Geese?
MRAL: Get offline. Get help.
Antz: Any reason you’re posting with two user names? Your stupidity can be contained under one, you know.
I know what Holly shoots at.
LOOK WHAT THESE WOMEN HAVE DONE TO THIS POOR MAN.
Check this out, incredibly serious person.
:3
I don’t shoot any men. I cut them like pigs. Dressed like this:
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j227/RuteeKatreya/MMO%20Screenies/UWO%20Online%20Shots/Conquistadorutee.jpg
I also deliver presents to boys though. And by deliver, I mean I shoot the presents at them. Out of a cannon.
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j227/RuteeKatreya/MMO%20Screenies/UWO%20Online%20Shots/SeriousSanta.jpg
@Xardoz
And then those entitled princesses paid 50c a can. 50c!!!!!! For antiques!!!!
I know, but I just hate to see the innocent get caught in the splatter.
I might have been more tempted if Geese was taking the bait, but he’s apparently a solipsist as well as a mediocrity.
@Rutee
*blinks in disgusted disbelief* MONSTER!! MONSTER!!!
aMiRA – I shoot at paper silhouettes!
…of men.
*dun dun DUNN*
@Seraph
sadly you are made of sterner stuff loll
I HAVE TRAINED MY CAT ONLY TO CATCH MALE MICE
@Amuased
Just debunking your preposterous lie that Soviet men and women suffered equally during world war II:
http://web.williams.edu/Economics/faculty/brainerd-rfwomen.pdf
Here is a quote, bigot. The article is called “:Uncounted Costs of World War II:
The Effect of Changing Sex Ratios on Marriage and Fertility of Russian Women”. It is about how much women suffered after world war II since they could not find husbands — BECAUSE ALL THE MEN WERE DEAD.
The sex male:female sex ratio after WWII in the Soviet Union was 0.65. Do you have the capacity to understand what this means, bigot?
“The Soviet Union suffered devastating population losses during World War II, currently estimated at 27 million or nearly 14 percent of the prewar population. The disproportionate deaths of young men resulted in a drastic change in sex ratios among the population surviving the war. For example, the ratio of men to women in the 20-29 age group declined from .91 to .65 between 1941 and 1946. I use this large, exogenous change to identify the effects of unbalanced sex ratios on marital, fertility and health outcomes among women in the Russian and Baltic republics in the postwar period. The results indicate that women in cohorts or regions with lower sex ratios experienced lower rates of marriage and fertility, and higher rates of out-of-wedlock births, abortions, and deaths from abortions than women in cohorts or regions less affected by war deaths. Men in cohorts with high sex ratios invested in more human capital than men in low sex ratio cohorts. The evidence is also suggestive of second-generation effects, with the male children of women in high-sex ratio cohorts attaining better health and nutritional status (as measured by adult height) than the children of women in low-sex ratio cohorts.”
“I might have been more tempted if Geese was taking the bait, but he’s apparently a solipsist as well as a mediocrity.”
^ Any idea what Seraph is talking about here, anyone? Sounds intriguing!
Shh, Holly, don’t tell the MRM! It’s an offence against the dignity of men to shoot at paper targets shaped like men!