I’ve been following the Men’s Rights Movement for some time, and I’ve never been quite sure exactly what the major injustices faced by men are. I haven’t really noticed much to speak of in my own life, but evidently there are some and they are really, really bad.
Luckily, in recent days A Voice for Men has begun to clarify the issue for me. For example, AVfM Radio’s new theme song points out two of the worst injustices of all:
- Men having to hold doors open for ladies.
- Ladies wanting to marry us.
But these are not the only important men’s issues out there. In a recent post titled “A hard rains gonna fall: how hard is up to you” (clearly a reference to the famous song by Carly Simon), AVfM head dude Paul Elam spells out the most important issues of all in a set of bullet points. To save the beleaguered men of the world some important man-time I will summarize them for you here. Bullet-time!
- Thomas Ball’s suicide isn’t mentioned on Wikipedia because feminism.
- The Obama administration urged colleges to use the same standard of proof used in most non-criminal cases in their non-criminal disciplinary proceedings dealing with rape cases. Because feminism.
- Australia. Something about Australia. Ok, here’s the deal: Australia is very, very far away from me, like literally on the other side of the planet, and my eyes sometimes glaze over when reading about it. I’m sure whatever Elam is mad about is really bad. It might involve Koalas. Feminist Koalas. But that’s just speculation on my part.
- In India, where women are routinely harassed in public and groped on train cars, there are a tiny number of women-only train cars set up to cut down on the groping.
- In Sweden, a small group of feminists did a theatrical production based on/dealing with the writings of Valarie Solanas. It was performed in some schools.
- “Men constitute the lion’s share of combat deaths[11], workplace deaths[12], suicide deaths[13], and are afflicted with almost every known human malady and disease more frequently and more severely than women.” Obviously, the feminists are to blame, for their staunch opposition to women serving in the armed forces, and for their secret program of giving men girl germs.
- There are agencies dealing with women’s health issues. Clearly, men need to have just as many of their own agencies to deal with such male health issues as not being pregnant.
I hope my summary of these issues has been fair. As Elam has pointed out on a number of occasions, I am fat, so really nothing I do or say has any value. Plus, of course, I am a mangina. Just, you know, FYI.
In any case, these injustices have Elam plenty mad:
I am truly curious as to what festering, morally atrophied deviation of humanity could look at anything approaching this level of discrimination and suffering without becoming angry.
So mad that his metaphors all get up in each other’s business:
Whether it becomes a wave of social change, or a violent tempest of indignation and fury, the pendulum will continue to swing.
So there you have it. Naturally, Elam’s readers are grateful for his efforts to bring justice to the world by yelling about it online and trying to get people really, really mad at certain specific ladies without explicitly advocating violence against them. That’s pretty much how Martin Luther King did it, only with fewer references to “bitches” and “cunts” and not so many threaty remarks.
As Alfred E puts it:
Well said Mr Elam. May the harpies finally get a clue about their complete lack of compassion for men and boys all the while living in a gold box carted around by the prince.
Justice and compassion for all, except you harpies in your gold boxes! And also the rest of the bitches, cunts and manginas.
NOTE: That bit about Carly Simon above was a joke. Obviously the song in question was written by The Bangles.
Hey! Me too! In fact, several of my you tube videos have comments on them stating that I am fat… I guess that means my opinion is wrong in some way as well.
more likely to be called alpha FUCK bitches or arrogant for daring to have an opion about who they find attractive? more likely to happen to women
more likely to get treated worse by society and get discriminated at work for being fat? more likely to happen to women.
MRAL, the vast majority of violence committed against men is committed by men. I agree that it’s a problem. What do you think should be done about the problem?
Anthony: One of the worst things that can happen to a person would be rape. The FBI just changed a long standing policy to include men who are raped in the definition. But instead of focusing on that, the MRM had to focus on the other change in definition that requires the use of physical force in order for it to be considered rape and then jump to the bizarre conclusion that the FBI will now be calling regretted sex rape. (Of course, that is not what the FBI did, but that is the false claim that the MRM made against the FBI in their classification of what rape is.
And could you perhaps consider the idea that in times before today that we had a system that was geared towards the advancement of men. Men would have advantages A, B, C, D, and E that a woman would not have. The MRM takes any legislation or support group or anything else meant to help to give women those same advantages as being misandric because they only target women. But if women are the only ones needing targeting because the men have already achieved what these groups want to help the women to achieve, then the existence of those groups/legislation/etc is NOT misandric and IS a step in the right direction.
Zarat, per your own link, Kellett is still practicing. According to a search there are no pending complaints. So you, personally, have accomplished nothing beyond the promise that if the investigation into Kellett doesn’t go the way you want you’ll make “…a complaint…” That’s some powerful activism there, buddy.
So, again, what have you ever done by way of real, activism, that directly benefits men?
Silly Nobinayamu…we know it’s only a problem if it’s women behaving badly, not men!
I hate that line “committed by men”, like it’s supposed to be some sort of comeback. Yes, and?
Is everyone familiar with the charming fable of the Princess in the Golden Box? I read it just the other day. An extra note of pride in that this story is by a Canadian woman, “penning superlative works that analyse gender related behavior in men and women.”
http://www.avoiceformen.com/women/the-princess-in-the-golden-box/
@Zarat
What proof do you have that she’s a feminist, aside from her womanhood and the fact that she has been hateful to men? I tried finding something to prove that she IDs as a feminist and all I found were MRA sites calling her a feminist.
(trigger warning for transphobia) Anthony Zarat’s link to men’s news daily was a very transphobic blog post by Paul Elam. Zarat described Raewyn Connel’s reassignment surgery as “self mutliation”. So far, I’ve seen a lot more transphobia from the MRM than real concern for gender identity issues.
@FelixBC
I read that charming tale and all I could think of was gee, it must really fucking suck to be in a box like that, no wonder she wanted to get out and have adventures.
But for some reason that was painted as bad.
I recall a gentleman complaining on the Shrink4men.con website that his girlfriend had “turned the ice cream into some kind of weapon” – thinking she had dunked into liquid nitrogen and smashed it over his head, I continued reading… only to find out she had withdrawn Ice-Cream privileges over some unspecified relationship issue.
Anthony: “Here is how you hailed the new FBI definition, which defines all men as perpetrators and all women as victims”
Say what? http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-01-06/fbi-rape-definition-adds-men/52398350/1
Are you from the mirror universe?
FelixBC, that fairy tale makes no sense at all. I hope that person doesn’t quit her day job.
lolz good job david at nailing those avfm misogynists again. those momma’s boys just love to whine about stupid shit like male suicide and homelessness. misogynists!
lolz your koalas jokez was real funny god one gyrl u always make me laugh. keep it up!
That was actually fucking funny.
And I think the solution is perhaps multifaceted. Some main points: end society’s valuing of violent masculinity, combat the perception of male disposability and female value.
Forweg, they DO love to whine about all that stuff, unfortunately they’re allergic to doing anything besides whining.
Female value, MRAL? Do tell.
Combat the widespread practice of “chivalry toward women”, both institutional and individual. This doesn’t mean that there should be no services targeted toward women, or that holding doors is some terrible act, but the general perception that “violence toward women” is a special class of violence should be ended. It promotes the idea of men as disposable.
Hellkell, I think I just told.
Eh?
I’m sorry, aren’t you supposed to have a high IQ or something?
Men are the victims of violent crime more than women are but men also -how about I use the word perpetrate?- perpetrate the majority of violent crime against men. It’s a problem. What do you think should be done about?
MRAL, honey, I think the phrase you’re looking for is “the pedestalization of women.” And the reason that violence against women is viewed as a special group of crimes is that violence that disproportionately affects men is just called “crime.”
forweg: So what have you done in the last week to help homeless or suicidal men?
@MRAL
Violence towards women is a special problem because, unlike between two men, the chances of a fight between a man and a woman being a mutual decision is very rare. Also, if I were to get in a fight with a guy. chances are he’s been socialized to handle himself in a fight, unlike if I were to get in a fight with a woman (not impossible by any means, just much lower chances, although that is changing)