I’ve been following the Men’s Rights Movement for some time, and I’ve never been quite sure exactly what the major injustices faced by men are. I haven’t really noticed much to speak of in my own life, but evidently there are some and they are really, really bad.
Luckily, in recent days A Voice for Men has begun to clarify the issue for me. For example, AVfM Radio’s new theme song points out two of the worst injustices of all:
- Men having to hold doors open for ladies.
- Ladies wanting to marry us.
But these are not the only important men’s issues out there. In a recent post titled “A hard rains gonna fall: how hard is up to you” (clearly a reference to the famous song by Carly Simon), AVfM head dude Paul Elam spells out the most important issues of all in a set of bullet points. To save the beleaguered men of the world some important man-time I will summarize them for you here. Bullet-time!
- Thomas Ball’s suicide isn’t mentioned on Wikipedia because feminism.
- The Obama administration urged colleges to use the same standard of proof used in most non-criminal cases in their non-criminal disciplinary proceedings dealing with rape cases. Because feminism.
- Australia. Something about Australia. Ok, here’s the deal: Australia is very, very far away from me, like literally on the other side of the planet, and my eyes sometimes glaze over when reading about it. I’m sure whatever Elam is mad about is really bad. It might involve Koalas. Feminist Koalas. But that’s just speculation on my part.
- In India, where women are routinely harassed in public and groped on train cars, there are a tiny number of women-only train cars set up to cut down on the groping.
- In Sweden, a small group of feminists did a theatrical production based on/dealing with the writings of Valarie Solanas. It was performed in some schools.
- “Men constitute the lion’s share of combat deaths[11], workplace deaths[12], suicide deaths[13], and are afflicted with almost every known human malady and disease more frequently and more severely than women.” Obviously, the feminists are to blame, for their staunch opposition to women serving in the armed forces, and for their secret program of giving men girl germs.
- There are agencies dealing with women’s health issues. Clearly, men need to have just as many of their own agencies to deal with such male health issues as not being pregnant.
I hope my summary of these issues has been fair. As Elam has pointed out on a number of occasions, I am fat, so really nothing I do or say has any value. Plus, of course, I am a mangina. Just, you know, FYI.
In any case, these injustices have Elam plenty mad:
I am truly curious as to what festering, morally atrophied deviation of humanity could look at anything approaching this level of discrimination and suffering without becoming angry.
So mad that his metaphors all get up in each other’s business:
Whether it becomes a wave of social change, or a violent tempest of indignation and fury, the pendulum will continue to swing.
So there you have it. Naturally, Elam’s readers are grateful for his efforts to bring justice to the world by yelling about it online and trying to get people really, really mad at certain specific ladies without explicitly advocating violence against them. That’s pretty much how Martin Luther King did it, only with fewer references to “bitches” and “cunts” and not so many threaty remarks.
As Alfred E puts it:
Well said Mr Elam. May the harpies finally get a clue about their complete lack of compassion for men and boys all the while living in a gold box carted around by the prince.
Justice and compassion for all, except you harpies in your gold boxes! And also the rest of the bitches, cunts and manginas.
NOTE: That bit about Carly Simon above was a joke. Obviously the song in question was written by The Bangles.
“Feminists and even people right here”
Many of whom are feminists. Did you not notice that because we weren’t screaming about whatever it is that you think radfems believe?
That’s because you don’t bother talking to women and getting to know them as friends. If you did you would learn that other people often have insecurities taht we find ridiculous, but that doesn’t make them any less real or debilitating
@Shadow: Yeah, I don’t have any issue with people finding her unattractive, it’s just that in discussions of anything she’s been in ever that I’ve read, there’s always someone complaining that she’s too old/ugly/whatever and it totally RUINED THE FILM.
“I don’t think someone like Scarlett fucking Johansson is going to be all that emotionall fragile about her appearance.”
This is because you are a selfish, delusional, misogynistic asshole.
I actually work with celebrities sometimes. Almost every single one of them is emotionally fragile when it comes to their appearance, even the dudes, because their careers depend on people finding them attractive.
“1) It is misandry that most fighting roles in movies (such as soldiers or goons) are played by men
and
2) Women are too weak to be fighters”
These misogynistic assumptions that I myself am expressing with my statements about women and fighting have nothing to do with why women aren’t cast as goons! How dare you suggest that? That’s misandry, that is, as is the aformentioned women not being cast as goons, even though as I have explained they’re incapable of doing the job.
On the subject of being a woman who consumes violent media, I kinda wish there were more female mooks and less female fridge fillers. There is definitely a different attitude to killing one gender versus killing another- while the trope of losing the kid or the mentor provides revenge and angst fuel for characters, killing women seems to be a matter of emotional titillation instead of cold hearted belt notching. So you come back and find out your girlfriend was brutally murdered and then spend the rest of the movie taking out random henchmen, and rarely, to the point of irrelevance, henchwomen. There’s more efficacy for men, mook or otherwise, for all that a woman being fridged is going to be the motive for the avenger.
Well, I’m sorry if I forget to shed a single tear for Olivia Wilde’s insecurities.
No one’s even talking about Olivia Wilde, MRAL. Either stop pretending we’re attacking you and stop deliberately misunderstanding our points or go the hell away.
“Well, I’m sorry if I forget to shed a single tear for Olivia Wilde’s insecurities.”
I have no compassion or empathy and I’m proud of it!
…Why aren’t other people more sympathetic to my plight? Why does nobody feel my pain?
Can we do another list of people we find attractive again? Those are so fun.
More FUCKING MISREPRESENTATION. I never said women couldn’t be fighters, only that women… are usually a lot weaker than men. Revolutionary notion, I guess? Furthermore, it’s totally irrelevant because I was discussing movies, in which everything need not- and rarely is- exactly realistic. The audiences can and do accept action heroines, but there are never any inconsequential women, because women apparently all matter, and men don’t. Of course this isn’t the intended message, but it’s the one I got and still get. Note I don’t presume to speak for any of you guys, so extend me the same courtesy without insulting me, being mean, etc.
As we can clearly see, the hate and resentment come through quite clearly, no matter what the subject matter is.
@MRAL
Well whether you’re sorry or not it makes you a fucken dick. What has Olivia Wilde done for her to deserve insecurities? Is it because she’s beautiful that you think she should be taken down a peg or something? That you would not extend some sympathy, or at least some empathy, toeards her just because she’s beautiful is not the mark of a reasonable guy, it’s the mark of a bitter, resentful child.
Maybe Bostonian should be banned for continually lying, spreading misinformation about me, and generally insulting me with inaccurate labels. I have no resentment OR hatred towards women, as I have said many many times.
It’s even more disturbing in that he’s said that Olivia Wilde is a woman he is attracted to. But feel compassion for her if she was to feel insecure or unhappy? Why, the very notion is ridiculous and offensive.
Personally when people who I’m attracted to feel shitty about themselves I usually want to give them a hug.
Oh, poor, poor you. I’m so very very sorry.
This website is not your therapy session. Get offline and get help.
Your own words show your hate, resentment and bitterness. I am not lying. I am telling you the truth, and you are foolish to deny what everyone can clearly see.
No one else who reads your words has come forward with a different conclusion. You are the only one who thinks your hate is secret because you do not state it explicitly.
Jesus fucking Christ on a pogo stick, MRAL, would you get some fucking help already? Or, I don’t know, rant somewhere else? Because I am getting tired of your bullshit. You made a sweeping generalization about women fighting, and failed to qualify that you only meant CERTAIN women and CERTAIN men in CERTAIN circumstances, and you got your ass handed to you on a platter by people who actually know what the fuck they’re talking about. Quit whining and grow the fuck up.
BTW this is exactly why I keep saying that MRAL is a. a misogynist and b. displaying abusive tendencies. The notion that a woman who he’s attracted to might feel insecure or unhappy doesn’t provoke the basic human reactions that would provoke in most people (sympathy, a desire to reassure the person) – instead it makes him angry and sort of contemptuous. Which is not a normal or healthy way to respond to the hypothetical pain of someone who you want to date/have sex with.
Basically what that says is “I want to fuck you, but I really really don’t like you”.
And this is why he can’t find anyone to date in real life. Not the supposedly wonky eye – this.
I do realize that you hate other men and yourself too, but hating yourself and other men is as wrong as hating women.
I do think that because your hatred and resentment encompasses many people, you think that somehow absolves you from being a misogynist too.
It does not.
No one else comes forward because you all love being cruel to me and dogpiling me when I try to have a debate in good faith. I don’t accuse feminists of being man haters when they talk about the advantages inherent in maleness. There’s a difference between being angry, or even envious, about the advantages women have and actually hating women. I don’t. It’s not their fault, it’s society’s, which BTW is partially controlled by men, so yes I also blame men. But I do think women are sent a more healthy message than men in mass media.(Yes, I acknowledge this is merely my perception).
I am sure you’ll all find a way to misrepresent this post and talk about what a horrible person I am and how much everyone should avoid me and how my mother should be ashamed for not flushing me down the toilet back in 1992, so go ahead. But I know I am not a terrible person.
I think Olivia Wilde is hot, and that’s it. I don’t know her, she’s a goddamn stranger, why the hell would I want to “give her a hug”?. I won’t say I “don’t care” about her, because I care at least a little about everyone, but I care no more than someone on the street. If this makes me abusive, well, whatever.
You’re not trying to debate in good faith.
Stop lying.
Get offline.
Get help.
“No one else comes forward because you all love being cruel to me and dogpiling me when I try to have a debate in good faith.”
LOL!
“But I know I am not a terrible person.”
I wouldn’t be so sure about that if I were you. Refusing to give someone you want to fuck even the tiniest shred of sympathy if they’re upset is actually pretty terrible.