I’ve been following the Men’s Rights Movement for some time, and I’ve never been quite sure exactly what the major injustices faced by men are. I haven’t really noticed much to speak of in my own life, but evidently there are some and they are really, really bad.
Luckily, in recent days A Voice for Men has begun to clarify the issue for me. For example, AVfM Radio’s new theme song points out two of the worst injustices of all:
- Men having to hold doors open for ladies.
- Ladies wanting to marry us.
But these are not the only important men’s issues out there. In a recent post titled “A hard rains gonna fall: how hard is up to you” (clearly a reference to the famous song by Carly Simon), AVfM head dude Paul Elam spells out the most important issues of all in a set of bullet points. To save the beleaguered men of the world some important man-time I will summarize them for you here. Bullet-time!
- Thomas Ball’s suicide isn’t mentioned on Wikipedia because feminism.
- The Obama administration urged colleges to use the same standard of proof used in most non-criminal cases in their non-criminal disciplinary proceedings dealing with rape cases. Because feminism.
- Australia. Something about Australia. Ok, here’s the deal: Australia is very, very far away from me, like literally on the other side of the planet, and my eyes sometimes glaze over when reading about it. I’m sure whatever Elam is mad about is really bad. It might involve Koalas. Feminist Koalas. But that’s just speculation on my part.
- In India, where women are routinely harassed in public and groped on train cars, there are a tiny number of women-only train cars set up to cut down on the groping.
- In Sweden, a small group of feminists did a theatrical production based on/dealing with the writings of Valarie Solanas. It was performed in some schools.
- “Men constitute the lion’s share of combat deaths[11], workplace deaths[12], suicide deaths[13], and are afflicted with almost every known human malady and disease more frequently and more severely than women.” Obviously, the feminists are to blame, for their staunch opposition to women serving in the armed forces, and for their secret program of giving men girl germs.
- There are agencies dealing with women’s health issues. Clearly, men need to have just as many of their own agencies to deal with such male health issues as not being pregnant.
I hope my summary of these issues has been fair. As Elam has pointed out on a number of occasions, I am fat, so really nothing I do or say has any value. Plus, of course, I am a mangina. Just, you know, FYI.
In any case, these injustices have Elam plenty mad:
I am truly curious as to what festering, morally atrophied deviation of humanity could look at anything approaching this level of discrimination and suffering without becoming angry.
So mad that his metaphors all get up in each other’s business:
Whether it becomes a wave of social change, or a violent tempest of indignation and fury, the pendulum will continue to swing.
So there you have it. Naturally, Elam’s readers are grateful for his efforts to bring justice to the world by yelling about it online and trying to get people really, really mad at certain specific ladies without explicitly advocating violence against them. That’s pretty much how Martin Luther King did it, only with fewer references to “bitches” and “cunts” and not so many threaty remarks.
As Alfred E puts it:
Well said Mr Elam. May the harpies finally get a clue about their complete lack of compassion for men and boys all the while living in a gold box carted around by the prince.
Justice and compassion for all, except you harpies in your gold boxes! And also the rest of the bitches, cunts and manginas.
NOTE: That bit about Carly Simon above was a joke. Obviously the song in question was written by The Bangles.
@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
because anything that is Pro-women automatically means anti-men to them. They have a really, really black and white view of the world.
I’m not going to go deep into psycho-analyzing but I think a lot of them just hate women or have unfortunately been hurt by women, and their online ranting is like a form of therapy or something.
And also adding to Ozy’s list, the Male Health Center: http://www.malehealthcenter.com/
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Antz – If you’re really upset about men’s (for example) suicide rates, here are some things you can do:
-Donate money or time to organizations like the Samaritans or the National Suicide Prevention Hotline, which talk to people in crisis
-Lobby your local and national politicians for improved mental health care
-Educate yourself about the causes, warning sides, and prevention of suicide so that you can better help the people around you
-Speak to community organizations about suicide prevention
-Ask schools to put suicide prevention education on their curriculum
-Participate in an Out Of The Darkness walk against suicide
-If you’re very committed, go back to school and pursue the necessary education to become a mental health worker or social worker directly helping people with depression and suicidality
But instead you have chosen to:
-Support a guy who does none of the above, but loves to rant about “fucking their shit up” and posts manifestos about firebombing courthouses
-Troll a random website about your support of this guy
How many suicides you figure those actions prevent?
Read your own sentence and ask me if I am illiterate. It makes no sense.
A mistake? I don’t think so. I have read many of your posts. There are few grammar mistakes. Suddenly, the most important word in your entire article is — backwards. “Penetration” should have been “envelopment”:
“it does not recognize that men can be raped through ENVELOPMENT”.
You know it. You KNEW it then. Why did you use the wrong word? Because you are a feminist. You could not bring yourself not use a word that could possibly imply that a woman is capable of wrongdoing. You prefer to use a nonsensical sentence, but you avoid the only word that matters.
I would rather read NWO’s rantings than AntZ’s tired crap.
So how much money and where have you given it, AntZ? Or are you just a keyboard warrior?
And someone of them are just angry that what happens on TV does not happen in real life-whereas they think they should have June Cleaver as a wife and wound up with a human. A human who has different wants and needs then running a perfect household with angelic children while being perfectly put together no matter what the occasion was.
Zarat, we know that you don’t believe you should have to engage women/feminists honestly. You’ve said so. But thanks for the illustration:
And here’s you, delving into a ridiculous argument about sematics:
But, hey, keep displaying your lack of integrity openly. I’m sure it will help men with depression, incarceration and violence.
>>> Example of why the MRM is anti feminist: The Family Violence National Legal Response Report <<<
http://www.alrc.gov.au/publications/family-violence-national-legal-response-alrc-report-114
First the feminists acknowledge that men can be victims, but immediatly minimize the fact:
“The National Council to Reduce Violence Against Women and their Children acknowledged that while women as well as men can commit—as well as be victims of—family violence or sexual assault, the research shows that ‘the overwhelming majority of violence and abuse is perpetrated by men against women’. Put very simply, ‘[t]he biggest risk factor for becoming a victim of sexual assault and/or domestic and family violence is being a woman’.”[13-pg51]
Then, the feminists go on to assert that, since male victims are vanishingly few, we can ignore them altogether and legally presume that all perpetrators are male:
“Safe at Home legislation provides police with a considerable extension of their powers to detain a person without charge. Another key feature of the Safe at Home model is that it allows families to stay within the home while the perpetrators are removed.
Preambles within legislation that acknowledge the social realities and dynamics of violence, including the gendered nature of domestic and family violence.”[1 -pg115]
Is Antz saying that women are incapable of penetrating men? For a dude who wants to make VR sex possible, you’d think he’d realize penetration doesn’t always involve penises.
“Being murdered horribly simply because you were born _______” is also on that list. I wonder how many men qua men are killed each year, and how that compares to the number of women being killed for being women, or folks of either sex being killed for being a certain color or sexual orientation or gender identity, etc. ? ”
Er, well, it’s kind of funny I think, because I suppose men aren’t usually harmed for being men per se, but men who cross society, or are victims of racism, or get in fights, or make a dangerous enemy, or whatever, will be treated far more harshly- killed, beaten up- than a woman in the same situation. So yes, I’d say that “being male” has led to a lot of harm.
Also, if the definition doesn’t include a dude being penetrated, there’s also the risk of leaving out male-on-male rape, isn’t there?
Or I was using “penetration” in the sense of “being penetrated.” For fuck’s sake, dude. The next fucking clause in the sentence is “because of course an erection is consent.” (That clause demonstrates what is known as sarcasm.)
If you would like to help male rape survivors:
–Donate to RAINN, Just Detention, or 1in6.
–Volunteer for a gender-inclusive rape crisis center or hotline.
–Get trained as a victim advocate or a social worker and work with male survivors.
–Write your congresspeople about rape legislation.
–Help revise your campus sexual misconduct policy to be gender-neutral, if you attend a college.
In others words:
The #1 most important thing that anyone can do to help men, boys, and fathers is to EXPOSE FEMINISM AS THE HATE RELIGION THAT IT IS.
If feminists are willing to stop their efforts to legally describe all men as perpetrators and all women as victims (after saying platitudes to the effect that “some men can be victims”), then we can re-visit this stance. Right now, it is what it is.
Feminists: Stop attacking men, boys and fathers — and the MRM will stop attacking you.
Why can’t you just fight for women’s rights? Heck, fight against the MRM? Why the war on boys? The war on fathers? The war on innocent men?
Okay, my list of the ten worst things that can happen to a person.
1. Rape. More likely to happen to women.
2. Being abused and/or molested as a child. About equally likely to happen to boys and girls, sadly. Girls are more likely to be sexually molested, but let’s not split hairs here, it’s awful across the board.
3. That thing in 1984 where the secret police find out your #1 fear and then use it to torture you until you betray everything you love and believe in. They do this to both Winston and Julia, so 50/50 gender split there.
4. Alzheimer’s disease. More likely to happen to women.
5. ALS and other degenerative motor-neuron diseases. More likely to happen to men.
6. Getting pregnant, going in for a medical checkup, discovering that you have breast cancer, and having to go through pregnancy and cancer treatments at the same time. I think of this because it just happened to a friend of mine (she just had the baby safely if prematurely, thanks). More likely to happen to women. Alternately, just any cancer.
7. Getting sold into sex slavery in a foreign country where you have no escape. More likely to happen to women.
8. Running into a severe crisis that destroys all your resources, so you wind up homeless with no way of digging yourself out of the hole. More likely to happen to men.
9. Same as #8, but you have a kid and the kid has to live on the street with you. More likely to happen to women.
10. Seeing a poster at your kid’s school telling parents not to raise their sons to beat women, which was your personal Damascus, wasn’t it, Zarat?
Zarat, we know you and AVFM are anti-feminist. That’s the extent of your activism. Show how you’re pro-men.
Do you donate to any of the programs that have been listed in this thread? Do you volunteer your time with men’s homeless shelters? Other than suggesting that men and women be separated by the Mississippi and telling lies, what do you do personally and specifically to address the issues that face men disproportionately?
Shaenon – My list is almost entirely things like “have to slide down a railing covered in razorblades into a pool full of lemon juice,” and thus is strikingly ungendered.
Why, if men are not the primary victims, should the researchers spend equal or more time on the non-primary victims?
And why should the law’s preamble not acknowledge the reality of the situation-that one gender is the primary victim and the other the primary perpetrator? Especially if the actual statute is genderless (which they generally are), the acceptance of reality is bad now?
I’m sure homeless men everywhere immediately get warm places to sleep when that happens. I’m sure suicidal men then get mental health treatment. I’m sure this gets incarcerated men set free, abused men sheltered, and raped men taken seriously. Right?
Or at least one of those.
How poisoned does your mind have to be before you literally think that ranting about more feminism does more good than actually helping someone?
Shit, if you held a door open for a guy on crutches sometime last month you’d be doing more real good for men than you are by ranting about our HATE RELIGION.
I’m willing to let someone else go head-to-head with MRAL about whether being female somehow protects you from racism, but “a dangerous enemy”? To quote John Watson, “People don’t have archememies.”
Why can’t you and the MRM roll up your sleeves and actually work to help men? Other than the shitload of work involved, why is your “activism” confined to internet ranting and pining for sexbots? Why do you only care about homeless men, incarcerated men, men struggling with addiction and unemployed men when you have to give your movement some semblance of sanity? Because you sure as hell aren’t actually doing anything to helpmen with these problems.
I love how your “stance” essentially boils down to “When feminists shut up then maybe, maybe we’ll get around to doing something productive. Until then? More shrieking.”
You’re a fucking joke.
I’m sure most of the married guys of the manosphere (like Dalrock) are like that.
There are conservative and anti-feminist women that tried to comment on the manosphere and no matter how much they agreed the guys there, most of these women left disgusted by the misogyny and some closed their blog because they received threats. Even Susan Walsh is constantly ridiculed by guys from the manosphere.
Antz, I have done more good for male rape survivors TODAY than you have in the past year.
Not really, the #1 thing you can do is you know, help men. Like those who have been bullied, abused, harmed at work, depressed, unjustly imprisoned…the list is actually quite extensive on how the #1 thing you can do is to actually help men.
So 1. feminists should ignore reality. 2. not only should they ignore reality, but they should also focus solely on the bad that happens to men. If they do not do either of those two things, they hate men.
Funny thing is, feminists are not attacking men/boys/fathers and yet you hate them anyway.
They are.
They are too busy helping women get their rights.
There is no war on boys-not focusing on boys does not mean there is a war on them. Trying to keep people from aborting females and/or abandoning baby girls is not a war on boys.
The problems of child support not being paid is a huge one in this country-fathers who care enough to actually show up to court and try to work with their exes are not what the feminists are fighting. They are fighting the jerks who refuse to support the children they created.
What war? The war on drugs? That is a serious concern-hop to it, plenty of ways to help men from being unjusticely incarcerated and surprise, none of them involve bashing women. Oh wait, that is the problem huh? You cannot hate women AND help men. That simply is asking too much.
@Zarat
I’m sorry it pains you to hear the truth but the issues that face women? such as rape and domestic assault? they ARE mainly done by males attacking females. It’s just FACT. Its not the same as saying that ALL men are going to do this, or all are perpetrators, or that women are exempt from raping or assaulting men. It’s mainly pointing out that the sex of the person most likely to rape or beat a woman is male.
You want us to just shut up because your fucked up head interprets pointing out fact as vilifying YOU and the entire male gender. It is not the same thing. Are we just supposed to lie to protect your hurt feelings? are we supposed to pretend that women are mainly raping women? or wives are beating their wives?
Better yet, why does the MRM only care about white men? POC, gay, and trans men do not exist in MRMland.