It’s almost impossible to catalogue all the ways men are oppressed by women in contemporary gynocratic society. There are so many! For example, did you know that men are oppressed by female characters in video games? I know, right? The last bastion of red-blooded manliness, invaded by imaginary ladies!
Luckily, the fellows at MGTOWforums.com are on the case, exposing this foul virtual misandry. I Am started off a recent discussion on the subject by asking
WTF is with empowered women in video games now? …
I see a new trend in the video/computer game world and that is the increase in strong playable female characters.
Now, I am no hardcore gamer but I do play computer games often and the recent one I have been playing recently is Shogun 2 total war. Now for those who don’t know what this game is, it is a strategy game based on the military of feudal Japan. I recently bought an upgrade for the game the other day and guess what one of the strongest military units was? Nuns. I shit you not. The nuns had an attack 20% -40% higher than most units in the game. Somehow I doubt that in real life a nun would have swung a sword or used a spear faster and harder than a feudal warlord, and this game was based on history.
Clearly nuns are incapable of manlike swordplay, though it is true that they are capable reenacting famous internet panda sneeze videos. (I have seen video proof of this.) But Shogun 2 does not depict them sneezing like pandas. It depicts them fighting.
This is an outrage because video games are meant to be a perfectly accurate reflection of reality. Obviously there is nothing even slightly unrealistic about any of this:
Most of us dudes are in fact capable of karate-chopping heads in two. We just don’t like to show off all the time.
I think I have the right to ask steam and other gaming companes: WTF with the subliminal brainwashing? What now when I buy or play a game women will be doing all the ass kicking? …
I call bullshit on this subject. Video games are the last place for guys to hang out and now women are taking over. Why not just save us the trouble and instead of eliminating our fantasy world just throw us in work camp to provide for thier bastard children (literally speaking) while they shit all over us…wait they already do that.
I Am is not the only dude who’s noticed this alarming femtrend. Goldenfetus added his observations:
I’ve noticed this too, and it drives me insane. Was co-oping Gears 3 last month and there’s a point where 2nd player has to take over a female character. Almost ruined the game for me. It may seem minor, but once you’re aware of this type of brainwashing it’s impossible to ignore. There’s no way a slim female could keep up with the massive battle-hardened male Gears in that kind of environment. They would be a liability as they are in real life combat.
Exactly! By contrast, the male characters in Gears of War 3 are all completely accurate representations of real-world men.
Goldenfetus continued:
You’ll see the same thing in most stat-based role-playing games as well, where you have the option of a female player character – like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, D&D, etc. The women never have any strength or intelligence penalties compared to the males. … They want to give the impression that people of any race, gender, and sexual-orientation are interchangeable – that there are no differences in ability between them, and that only a bigot could think otherwise. I’m sick of it too.
At the very least, female characters should be depicted as carriers of cooties.
Despite the very serious subject matter – video game misandry is never funny! – Xtc tried to lighten the mood with a little humor:
It would be hilarious to portray the female characters realistically. If you chose the female character in your FPS [First Person Shooter] she would have to move very slowly, dragging the gun around. You could build in some extra shake to the crosshairs to represent hopeless accuracy. Every time you needed to reload your gun, instead of just pressing a button, you’d have to find a male character and go through some flirting dialogue options to persuade him to do it for you. One out of every four missions the game would tell you that you were sitting out this one due to ‘women’s issues’.
Calloway, for his part, offered some historical perspective:
This is nothing new. I got heavy into gaming back in the late 90’s and even back then they had Tomb Raider, S.I.N., etc. Even in the original Unreal, you played as a big-breasted female.
I saw a documentary on the making of the original Tomb Raider once. The lead character, Lara Croft, was originally going to be a man. They saw him as an Indiana Jones-type character. Then, one of the designers suggested it be a woman because “if you’re going to be playing a game for hours, you might as well have something good to look at”. …
When you first take the red pill, it’s amazing the things you see. It’s as if you had blinders on before, and all of sudden they’ve been removed, allowing you to actually understand what you’ve been seeing.
Yep. And what you’ve been seeing is Lara Croft’s ass. Lara Croft’s ass oppresses men! The red pill tells me so!
Now we come to the clincher.
When you try to get romantic with the imaginary ladies in video games, they don’t act like Roissy and those dudes say ladies act. I mean, you can’t even neg them! As Dave sadly pointed out:
I remember about 12 years ago playing the Baldur’s Gate rpg series and there were some romance dialog paths between your character and some of the women who could join your group but you had to treat them very nice. You couldn’t give them any attitude or make fun of them otherwise it would be over.
Basically you have to be a total mangina towards women in most games if you want to bed them.
Even imaginary ladies are stuck up bitches!
The horror!
I had a
I love that somehow, enjoying the mere presence of female and queer characters in video games – not even MMO, just playing by myself – is oppressing men. Including Meller, even though he doesn’t like video games. That’s power.
By the way, DKM, there is no “ours” and “us” for you in video games, not when you clearly said you don’t care about them. They belong to those who pay and enjoy them, which apparently include me but not you.
Caraz, you can rest in the knowledge that you’re a better person that at least one poster here…
@zhinkxy: how could I forgot that for a second: the grown man who idolize pretty dolls is angry that women steal men’s toys.
Oh, god. Meller, no one cares what you think at this point.
DKM is being a dork, as usual, but I think an escort service for people to play video games would be amazing. I’m just imagining the promotional photos, which either have girls wearing superhero undies and glasses or skinny guys in glasses wearing threadless t-shirts.
Meller: “Quotes.” I don’t “think” you “understand” how they’re “used.”
But hey, nobody has a problem with you creating your very own REAL MAN-only clubhouse. You can also feel free to play a game with only male characters, and refuse to play it with women. However, I’m really sure why you’d be uncomfortable with the fact that somewhere, somehow, a woman is playing a video game.
Blackbloc: that sounds really tough, hugs if you’d like.
Seriously, it’s almost impossible to actually derail manboobz threads! Don’t let that stop you from delurkin’! 🙂
And using it as a magic shield that gives them carte blanche to be racist/sexist/homobophobic assholes.
Do women in doll collecting bother or annoy or confuse you? I really wanna know more about that 🙂
A traditional Japanese sword weighs about six pounds,
No, it doesn’t. swords are a lot lighter than people think. The heaviest sword I have is a rapier, and it’s about 2.5 lbs. The heaviest sword I’ve ever used was a “claymore” at about 4.5 lbs. That took two hands to manage for more than a couple of blows; but that style of sword was meant to hack the heads off pikes; and so it’s just a fact of being well balanced, and my experience, which made even the 2-4 single handed strikes doable.
My katana (made in 1538, Nio School, made by Kiyosada Saku) is 26″ in the blade, with a total length of about 34″, and weighs 2 lbs. The scabbard is about 1/2 lb.
I do have a modern katana. It’s about the same weight as the vintage sword. It feels heavier, but that’s a function of how it’s hilted, which is done the stile of Musashi; and is meant for someone who is both stonger, and stockier than I am.
I keep thinking of the tsuka redone, so it’s better balanced to my phsyiognomy.
Firearms are heavier than swords (the M-16A1 is 7.2 lbs dry wieght, and about 9 lbs with a 30 rd. magazine). but the musclepower required to use them is a lot less, since it’s static use, not dynamic.
When it comes to the fine details of shooting, there is nothing which, physically, predisposes women to be unskilled; though there is a trait I’ve seen which seems consistent; where women try to put their head atop the stock, instead of next to it (completely irrelevant, the woman in the trap-shooting video has a style which is very atypical, and I’d say; from experience, isn’t good for much other than trap shooting. This isn’t a reflection on her, I’ve seen the same sorts of “errors” in males who do trap. It’s a function of the specialised skills needed to be good at that sport).
I’ve fenced with women (my first fencing instructor was female… she didn’t try out for the ’80 team because she didn’t think the carpal tunnel surgery of the time was worth it… she had about an 80 percent chance of making the team, and an almost certain loss of wrist mobility in 5-8 years). Let’s just say that with a smallsword in her hand I pity the fool who tries to rush her.
I’ve had women (in several styles of fence) clean my clock. I’ve had women who shot better than I did. Killing people isn’t higher math (well, sniping can be calculus in realtime, but so is wing shooting). These doods want to think there is something special about having testicles which makes them dangerous.
They are wrong. Games which remind them of this hurt their flimsy pride.
Just hope for the love of God that these guys never find out about F.A.T.A.L.….
I bet they hated having to play a female character in SimAnt.
DKM: But what if I don’t ant to play Cooking Mama or whatever piece of crap studios keep putting out to talk down to girls and women? Admittedly, I don’t play most games because first person makes me sick (in my day, this was called Doom sickness – yeah, my day was awhile ago). But I like Diablo 2 Heroes of Might and Magic and Baldur’s Gate and Neverwinter Nights (and Arcanum, but that’s kinda steampunk and therefore probably full of girly cooties) – all games that I’m going to assume you’re trying to tell me to stay away from because I don’t have an engraved permission slip from every man who ever played before I pick up the mouse.
I’ll admit that I love Zoo Tycoon, Build a Lot and The Sims, though.
Some of the best, fastest and scariest people I ever fenced against were women. My first teacher barely cleared five feet and was heel on wheels inside the list.
Women who collect pretty dolls or figurines who try to model themselves after them in gender-specific ways certainly don’t annoy or bother me. Heaven only knows, modern women (and even girls) NEED some degree of refeminization–to contrive a neologism–and if dolls, figurines, or plushfluffies can do this, I am all for it!
My interest is very feminine, soft, playful, and beautiful women takes nothing away from any interest that you have in pretty dolls. zhinxi, if you, and other manboobzettes, are able to use them to regender yourselves, and become SOFGs again, rather than embittered, archcompetitive, over-educated feminists and modern women, that is wonderful! I certainly don’t resent it in any way, and may even be able to expand my attentions more to real women along with–or even instead of–my little lady lovelies once you become real women again!
My love of dolls, figurines, and plushfluffies is a love of womanhood, a love of what little ladies could be and ought to be! I have no love of feminists, because they need no love, and are unlovable. By all means, collect feminine dolls and objets d’art! It may help you in some way.
Speaking as a fan of the, “Total War” series of games (though I never played the Shogun series”, there is a slightly disingenuous (ha!) aspect to this.
Combat is done with armies. A single type army is really limited. It requires combined arms to have any chance of success. At a guess the equivalent unit in “Rome: Total War” would be the Arcani. One of the quirks of really specialised units in the game design (say the cannon in Medieval: Total War) is how small they are.
Yes, things like Arcani are tough, and capable of doing some interesting things, but… they are expensive, take a while to train and are in support roles. Put them in direct contact with a line unit and they get overwhelmed. That sort of unit has to either be staged; so as to be a surprise/ambush, or held in reserve and used when the time is right.
In short… the entire premise of this dood’s complaint is bullshit.
Meller: This post would not be complete without noticing that men are not “intimidated” by so-called “strong women”! We are DISGUSTED by them! You are horrid to us!
I happen to not be disgusted by “strong women”. I rather like them. I just took a look in my shirt… no tits. I undid my belt and checked my genitals. To my surprise (from the certainty of your declaration) I was startled to discover that I am not a flat-chested woman. There was a cock, and balls, hanging between my legs.
I must say this has given some concern over the accuracy of other of your pronouncements; which I had been considering to be the most absolute of truths, until this unexpected intrusion of error.
Kathleen: Some of the best, fastest and scariest people I ever fenced against were women.
Which is why her praise of my speed was so encouraging. I have to say that, given the non-attendance of the US to the ’80 Olympics, she definitely made the right choice, but I was a beneficiary of her not getting the surgery; because she never could have tutored me had she lost her mobility
DKM No, you’re worshiping your own personal version of femininity, one that is limiting and disgusting to a large percentage of women who exists outside your head. You keep forgetting that YOU ARE NOT the arbiter of who is and is not a woman. In conclusion, FUCK RIGHT OFF
So according to the logic I’m picking up here, when men play as women it’s a terrible imposition upon them (and women are to blame), but when women play as men it’s an unfair appropriation of a male space (and women are to blame).
Ain’t that peachy.
DKM, aren’t you invading ladies’ space with your doll collecting? Nobody wants creepy misogynist control freaks around jacking off on their collectibles.
Meller: You know what I like? People who make playing a game with them fun.
You know what I don’t like? People who make playing a game with them not fun.
This has nothing to do with gender and everything to do with personality. I personally do not get into to many online games with a lot of interaction. I prefer my gaming interaction in person (though I did just buy goldeneye for the wii in the hopes that I can get some of my friends who also enjoyed that game on the N-64 to get back into it). I have found nothing in my gaming activity that makes the possessing or lacking of certain genitalia a characteristic that makes one more or less likely to be fun to game with.
Pecunium My first teacher thought quite a bit about going into armored combat, but she decided that her speed (and sweet gods, she was fast) wouldn’t be enough to avoid getting beaten up.
Pecunium–January 11, 2012, @4:00pm
Physically, you are a male, but there is a LOT more than just a Y chromosome, an abundance of testosterone as compared with estrogen, or the presence of a penis with testes! There is also identification with other men, especially when we are, as a group, and as a gender, under attack, and NOT being a renegage who will side with, or advocate for, the enemy at the first opportunity! Every post of yourshere has been an advocacy for female posters and their posts,and almost every post of yours here has been an attack upon a fellow male only interested in preserving his gender specific identity and values! Physically, you are a man, Pecunium, psychologically and sexually, I just don’t know. No real man would be happy always siding with women against his own the way you, and other manboobzers are, expecially when the blog or website you posted on, like this one, was explicitly hostile to men and our interests, while being sympathetic to our adversaries.
I’d really love to get invoked in fencing. Actually, is it still called fencing if it’s not done with rapiers and sabers and such? I’ve never been clear on that. My interest lies more in Medieval and Renaissance European longswords.