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Some of those video game princesses ain’t so Peachy

Why can't they all be like Princess Peach?

It’s almost impossible to catalogue all the ways men are oppressed by women in contemporary gynocratic society. There are so many! For example, did you know that men are oppressed by female characters in video games? I know, right? The last bastion of red-blooded manliness, invaded by imaginary ladies!

Luckily, the fellows at MGTOWforums.com are on the case, exposing this foul virtual misandry. I Am started off a recent discussion on the subject by asking

WTF is with empowered women in video games now? …

I see a new trend in the video/computer game world and that is the increase in strong playable female characters.

Now, I am no hardcore gamer but I do play computer games often and the recent one I have been playing recently is Shogun 2 total war. Now for those who don’t know what this game is, it is a strategy game based on the military of feudal Japan. I recently bought an upgrade for the game the other day and guess what one of the strongest military units was? Nuns. I shit you not. The nuns had an attack 20% -40% higher than most units in the game. Somehow I doubt that in real life a nun would have swung a sword or used a spear faster and harder than a feudal warlord, and this game was based on history.

Clearly nuns are incapable of manlike swordplay, though it is true that they are capable reenacting famous internet panda sneeze videos. (I have seen video proof of this.) But Shogun 2 does not depict them sneezing like pandas. It depicts them fighting.

This is an outrage because video games are meant to be a perfectly accurate reflection of reality.  Obviously there is nothing even slightly unrealistic about any of this:

Most of us dudes are in fact capable of karate-chopping heads in two. We just don’t like to show off all the time.

I think I have the right to ask steam and other gaming companes: WTF with the subliminal brainwashing? What now when I buy or play a game women will be doing all the ass kicking? …

I call bullshit on this subject. Video games are the last place for guys to hang out and now women are taking over. Why not just save us the trouble and instead of eliminating our fantasy world just throw us in work camp to provide for thier bastard children (literally speaking) while they shit all over us…wait they already do that.

I Am is not the only dude who’s noticed this alarming femtrend. Goldenfetus added his observations:

I’ve noticed this too, and it drives me insane. Was co-oping Gears 3 last month and there’s a point where 2nd player has to take over a female character. Almost ruined the game for me. It may seem minor, but once you’re aware of this type of brainwashing it’s impossible to ignore. There’s no way a slim female could keep up with the massive battle-hardened male Gears in that kind of environment. They would be a liability as they are in real life combat.

Exactly! By contrast, the male characters in Gears of War 3 are all completely accurate representations of real-world men.

This is what dudes look like, for real.

Goldenfetus continued:

You’ll see the same thing in most stat-based role-playing games as well, where you have the option of a female player character – like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, D&D, etc. The women never have any strength or intelligence penalties compared to the males. … They want to give the impression that people of any race, gender, and sexual-orientation are interchangeable – that there are no differences in ability between them, and that only a bigot could think otherwise. I’m sick of it too.

At the very least, female characters should be depicted as carriers of cooties.

Despite the very serious subject matter – video game misandry is never funny! – Xtc tried to lighten the mood with a little humor:

It would be hilarious to portray the female characters realistically. If you chose the female character in your FPS [First Person Shooter] she would have to move very slowly, dragging the gun around. You could build in some extra shake to the crosshairs to represent hopeless accuracy. Every time you needed to reload your gun, instead of just pressing a button, you’d have to find a male character and go through some flirting dialogue options to persuade him to do it for you. One out of every four missions the game would tell you that you were sitting out this one due to ‘women’s issues’.

Calloway, for his part, offered some historical perspective:

This is nothing new. I got heavy into gaming back in the late 90’s and even back then they had Tomb Raider, S.I.N., etc. Even in the original Unreal, you played as a big-breasted female.

I saw a documentary on the making of the original Tomb Raider once. The lead character, Lara Croft, was originally going to be a man. They saw him as an Indiana Jones-type character. Then, one of the designers suggested it be a woman because “if you’re going to be playing a game for hours, you might as well have something good to look at”. …

When you first take the red pill, it’s amazing the things you see. It’s as if you had blinders on before, and all of sudden they’ve been removed, allowing you to actually understand what you’ve been seeing.

Yep. And what you’ve been seeing is Lara Croft’s ass. Lara Croft’s ass oppresses men! The red pill tells me so!

Also, those tiny misandrist shorts just make the gynpression worse.

Now we come to the clincher.

When you try to get romantic with the imaginary ladies in video games, they don’t act like Roissy and those dudes say ladies act. I mean, you can’t even neg them! As Dave sadly pointed out:

I remember about 12 years ago playing the Baldur’s Gate rpg series and there were some romance dialog paths between your character and some of the women who could join your group but you had to treat them very nice. You couldn’t give them any attitude or make fun of them otherwise it would be over.

Basically you have to be a total mangina towards women in most games if you want to bed them.

Even imaginary ladies are stuck up bitches!

The horror!

 

I had a

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Pecunium
12 years ago

Quackers: @Pecunium

You’re an acquaintance of her son? that’s pretty awesome! How did you meet?

The same way anyone else does, we have shared interests. He’s a fairly active SF fan. We met working conventions.

Pecunium
12 years ago

SaraGoku: Meller fixates on me because I’ve had the sort of life I’ve had. His worldview says that men like me should be like him; demanding slave women and feeling oppressed because we can’t have them.

But here I am, with so many of the stereotypical male interests/hobbies/career choices, and I laugh at him. I mock him. I enjoy living in a world he thinks hellish.

I, more than Gloria Steinem, Amanda Marcotte, even Andrea Dworkin, threaten his world.

Of course he has to pick on me, belittle my experience, attempt to bemean my very nature. If more men with my sort of interests are as I am, then his fantasy of wiping feminists from the face of the earth and having a Gor-slave at home and an Entertainment Center (reminiscent of Gor too, now as I come to think about it) where he can obtain some “outside stimulation” (not my problem, my partners are stimulating enough to make me want to be home, spending time with them), is doomed.

Which is something he doesn’t want to think about, much less admit.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
12 years ago

@Kollege Messerschmitt, good deal. 🙂 I sometimes worry that my sarcasm doesn’t always come across well unless I have a sarcasm tag. On the Internet, I can’t use my facial expressions and voice to make my sarcasm clear like in real life. Now I just need to come up with a good name for the MRA version of Poe’s Law.

Absinthe Dexterous said

Wasn’t there some MRA dude who was developing a game that revolved around punching women – something like two pregnant women fighting over a millionaire or something? Oh yes, the Preggo Punching game.

I think it was FactFinder that did that. When David asked him about Preggo Punchout, FactFinder disappeared and hasn’t come back since.

Quackers
Quackers
12 years ago

@Pecunium

Cool! you never know who you’ll meet at a convention. I love going to them.

and yeah, LOL at Meller pathetically trying to take a jab at your masculinity. And here I thought that it was only women who shamed men for not being manly or “alpha” enough.

Joanna
12 years ago

Oh dear. They’re infecting DeviantART. Is nowhere sacred???

Joanna
12 years ago

” LOL at Meller pathetically trying to take a jab at your masculinity.”

I Meller-land, men have to act like men and women have to act like women. There are no shades of grey in Meller-land.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

I Meller-land, men have to act like men and women have to act like women. There are no shades of grey in Meller-land.

This is one of the things I find the most infuriating about MRAs. So many of them prescribe these really rigid gender roles for men and boys, and refuse to support any man who steps outside of their little box. Most of them are racist, too, so I doubt they’re looking out for the interests of non-white men. Aren’t they supposed to be activists for the rights of all men, not just men who are exactly like them in every way?

Spiffy
Spiffy
12 years ago

A name like “Goldenfetus” has to be a troll. …Doesn’t it?

Major Kong
Major Kong
12 years ago

I would say that the Half Life series of games is are exceptions (mostly). The female characters at least have believable proportions and the men aren’t musclebound hulks.

Falconer
12 years ago

@Shadow:

d)He was a human boy raised by dolls

Tick, tock, goes the clock …

captainbathrobe
12 years ago

@Sorka: I loved that game! Unfortunately, ours crashed just as I was about to ascend the ladder to the castle. I was so pissed that I refused to start again. Good times.

Pecunium
12 years ago

Quackers:And here I thought that it was only women who shamed men for not being manly or “alpha” enough.

No, it’s far more common among MRM types. They have a stake in enforcing conformity, hence the, “renegade” and “mangina” comments; and the “you are just caving in to get the pussy” line of attack.

The problem with the last, of course, is that it only really makes sense to people who think it’s true. That sort of insult can’t have any real effect if the recipient isn’t actually doing the thing of which they are accused.

So they are trying to tap-into the cultural trope that men are assholes, and jerks; and implying a lack of “manliness” to those who aren’t. So I don’t meet up to Meller’s ideal of manhood. That hurts. It cuts me to the very quick.

Or, yanno, not. Because I’d have to be a shit to women; an immoral schlub and an asshole to live up to his ideas of what is, “real” in the realm of manly. Much better to be myself, and happy, than to try to live up to an ideal I find repulsive.

Joanna
12 years ago

“Much better to be myself, and happy, than to try to live up to an ideal I find repulsive.”

MRAs don’t seem very happy anyway. Why would anyone want to go there? lol

TeSavi
12 years ago

Wow as years go by more and more women play games. Many girls I know play Gears including myself and I was happy they implemented a female character for us 🙂
I don’t agree that video games should completely be constructed for just males. Forty percent of the people who play video games in the U.S. are female, according to the industry group Entertainment Software Association.
So grow up guys, games are not just your territory anymore.
Now I’m going to go prestige again on mw3 while my man bakes a delicious pie up in the kitchen. ;P

Captain Bathrobe
12 years ago

@Pecunium,

The problem with the last, of course, is that it only really makes sense to people who think it’s true. That sort of insult can’t have any real effect if the recipient isn’t actually doing the thing of which they are accused.

It’s like being called “gay” if you’re not homophobic–no, I’m not, but it wouldn’t really matter if I was, now would it? Rather like being accused of being Armenian or something (assuming we’re not in Turkey). It’s just a descriptor, and, in my case, an inaccurate one–but so what?

When I’m accused of being a girly-man (which, heaven knows, never happens around here) I like to explain, as patiently as possible, that I don’t regard women as inferior to men; so, being compared to a woman really doesn’t sting the way you’d think it would.

It’s nice to not have to worry overly much about conforming to rigid gender roles. And–at the risk of repeating myself–which socio-political philosophy do I have to thank for this?

Say it with me: FEMINISM!

cynickal
cynickal
12 years ago

@Falconer in AD&D (1st ed) (human) women took a -1 hit to STR but got a +1 to CON

@Morgan, well personally I believe they rule 😉

@Kavette
C. Men tend to like to see hot women in video games. Except for David K Meller who grasps onto a traditionally female hobby of doll collecting yet professes to be somehow traditionally masculine to teach women to be like dolls.

Girlfriend was pleasantly surprised at Star Wars the Old Republic where ¼ of the figures are “husky” there are 12+ styles of facial scars and only 1 choice to not have any scars. My Sith Marauder has hip measurements that match her shoulder width. Of course she can also Force jump 30 meters, so there is that.

@BrianX

How do we know you’re not hiding transgender tendencies, or at least a thing for lacy underwear, under your pseudo-macho bullshit?

It’s a kilt! Oh… wait. Uhm… Nevermind! Nothing to see here! /whistles innocently

@Explore Nature

So the story is a about a woman is fighting against a lot of men and defeating them.

And all these men they fight are down-trodden, oppressed, powerless victims in the world these games take place? Confirmation Bias, U haz it!

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Jesus tapdancing christ on a stick. I know it’s a little late tot alk about the OP, but Jesus christ.

Basically you have to be a total mangina towards women in most games if you want to bed them.

Seriously, what the fuck? Social skills! Learn them!

Falconer
12 years ago

@cynickal:

@Falconer in AD&D (1st ed) (human) women took a -1 hit to STR but got a +1 to CON

That’s … interesting to know. I was too young for AD&D before 2nd Edition, but there’s nothing like that in 2E.

… Great. Now I’m irritated by Gygax, who’s dead. I suppose there’s no point in getting worked up over it now.

JohnnyBB
JohnnyBB
12 years ago

Obviously the guy who said you need to be a mangina to bed female characters in video games never played Dragon Age and never romanced Morrigan. You practically have to drown kittens to get her to like you.

Joanna
12 years ago

You mean save drowning kittens, surely?

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

Regarding the shift of console RPGs from masculine to feminine: I am pretty sure I know where and how and why this claim is being made; There is now fanservice for women as well sometimes. Therefore, all console RPGs are ruined forever by pandering to fujoshi bitches.

It’s the only explanation I can remotely come up with. Especially since they’re still pretty much entirely about dudes. It’s certainly what I hear most about Final FAntasy, which is kind of frickin’ hilarious.

cynickal
cynickal
12 years ago

@Falconer, don’t get too worked up over it. It made female (human) characters more able to soak damage because of (as he explained it) their higher pain threshold.
Dudes just can’t handle the baby making (Bunch of whiney manginas)

Also (parenthesis)

Kyrie
Kyrie
12 years ago

@Joanna: Morrigan isn’t very… fluffy. But I remember mostly having to bring her shiny thing, because she never had them during her mowgli-like childhood.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
12 years ago

CassandraSays–January 12,2012 @ 3:21am
paragraph #2 and 3

Don’t worry CS–I don’t want to attract “woman” like you either! you, and your posts, are the perfect example of why manboobz should change its name to womenbeinghateful or something like that. You and your posts, certainly not rare here, show why feminists are a subhuman perversion of womanhood, why even dolls or soft little pets like hamsters or gerbils can be superior to youall, why you are loveless, drab, and ugly to the nth degree, and why, while I normally would never say anything like this even to unattractive females, the feminist likes of YOU force me to make an exception!

The next time someone takes me to task for supposedly “approving of violence, rape, or abuse of women”–as often happens here on manboobz, I simply will refer them to your post above! YOU will answer any questions there for me! You–even for feminist–are HATEFUL!

Joanna
12 years ago

@Meller: Oh yeah? Well *ad hominem* *ad hominem* *ad hominem* *ad hominem* *ad hominem* to you too, buster!

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