Reactionary and “traditionalist” Men’s Rightsers tend to share a lot of the anti-Islam prejudices of the American right in general. When they talk about Islam it’s usually in vaguely apocalyptic terms, and usually with a side of anti-feminist conspiratorialism thrown in for good measure: Feminists are destroying Western Civilization and making the Muslim takeover inevitable!
But I’ve run across a few highly upvoted comments on the Spearhead recently which suggest that the generally less than warm feelings about Islam found in the Manospehre may be tinged with a certain amount of envy and even admiration.
Take this Rapses fellow here:
It is high time papa (patriarchy) take some harsh measures to discipline her little naughty girls (feminists). Papa has yielded too much to their tantrum and whining. Spare the rod and spoil the child. Western papa has to toughen up a bit and tell them that their stupid whims would not be met. These little girls are really not that tough as they show and still need papa to provide and protect them. See how Saudi papa deals with his girls and still his girls are not complaining.
51 upvotes, 10 downvotes, last I checked.
And then there’s Aharon :
I think there are many American women that American men would prefer to burqad up for their obese figures and even more obese whining mouths. Perhaps we can customize the burqad in America to include a dog muzzle. …
Feminism along with its allies has been very effective the past 45+ years in decimating the nuclear family along with traditional American values and ethics, and loyalty to church and synagogue. Most religious institutions are failing men in America. … Men leave liberal places of worship because they can’t relate to the female-value emphasis. …
American men have been living – for generations – in a post Judeo-Christian modern American misandrist society that for the most part sold men out. Islam comes along and teaches Sharia Law will not discriminate against men, and that men are respected in Islam, etc. Bingo. … I can see American men in the future becoming increasingly interested in Islam.
He adds this bit of speculation at the end:
I can also see new pro Men’s religions being created and taking hold. I see them mostly as manly without the provider/protector/chivalry crap, and not mangina metro-sexual in their beliefs and values.
30 upvotes, 1 downvote.
Apparently any religion is okey dokey with this crowd – even one made up on the spot – so long as it’s butch enough.
(The “Muslims are outbreeding us normal people” argument is mostly just twenty kinds of racist.)
Given that EN is clearly not a native English speaker, I am hoping against hope that maybe this time it’s a “we Muslims are outbreeding you bad people” instead. Which is still stupid and creepy, but at least marginally less racist than the “oh noes, brown people are taking over the world” crap.
Actually if EN is Muslim I have some advice for him – move to Saudi, dude! No women on bicycles there.
No casual sex either, of course, but oh well, you can’t have everything.
Captain Bathrobe: those movies would drive me batty.
@Explore Nature: Go explore what Muslim feminism involves, dude!
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Muslim+feminists
Edumacate yourself. It’s free.
EN is such an adorable little trolll. Keep tryin’, buddy! You’ll piss us off someday, I’m sure of it.
Maybe an obese mouth is like a fat lip, only bigger? ARE YOU THREATENING US, MRAS?
BTW, loose, flowing garments tend to make one look larger, not smaller. Hence the trend towards slinky, fitted maternity clothes rather than polyester tents. So even if these assholes got their way and we were all wearing burqas and dog muzzles (Rule 34?), they’d still be complaining about how disgustingly fat we all doubtless were.
Speaking of maternity clothes, how are you doing, Kristin? I’m guessing you’d be pretty far along by now.
(Oh noes feminist thread drift, it’s so confusing, etc.)
“Feminists aren’t breeding enough” is hilarious, in the west it seems more like manchildren are terrified of having their precious bitcoins taken from them by the money grubbing mothers of their children.
Here is a bunch of spermjacker paranoia, fresh from /SRS
I think Raoul is just fucking with us.
I feel like the first post was a joke.
That’s the problem with MRAs, they’re so completely batshit that it’s pretty much impossible to tell if someone is spoofing them/exaggerating to prove a point or just making a standard boilerplate MRA comment.
Thanks for asking, Cassandra! 35 weeks and fairly uncomfortable, but doing OK.
And speaking of maternity clothes, I am very ready to wear ANYTHING OTHER THAN THEM. Stupid expensive maternity clothes. *grumble*
The “Boot in the Face of Humanity” thing does seem to conflict with their delusions of being humanity’s savior.
But I’ve totally given up on MRAs making any sense 😉
Does the baby kick? I think that’s really cool. Sometimes I sit and watch youtube videos of babies kicking.
At least maternity clothes aren’t designed to try to make pregnant women look like toddlers like they were when I was a kid any more. I remember wandering through Mothercare (British maternity store) and thinking that the maternity clothes just looked like bigger versions of the baby clothes, which seemed unfortunate.
More random thread drift – premium denim maternity wear, what do people think? It seems like a waste of money to me to spend over $200 on a pair of jeans you can only wear for a few months, but maybe I’m just cheap.
Does the baby kick? I think that’s really cool. Sometimes I sit and watch youtube videos of babies kicking.
That’s actually quite endearing. Really. This is a side of you that people should see more of, IMO.
It kicks, MRAL, and sort of rolls around, and lately it’s been pushing in opposite directions with all of its limbs. It’s cool but it kind of hurts. And it wakes you up in the night, etc.
I wouldn’t spend $200 on pants under any circumstances, but then I AM cheap. :p
I’ve always wondered what a baby kicking feels like. It looks uncomfortable, but generally speaking pregnant women don’t seem to be wincing when it happens so I guess not?
Thanks for answering my question as I was asking it, Kristin! Sounds like the baby is expressing a desire to be taken to mom and baby yoga in a few months,
It depends where it kicks and how hard, Cassandra. Sometimes it’s just “Hey, the baby’s kicking!” and sometimes it gets you in the ribs and you’re like “I am so guilt-tripping you about this when you are 13, kid”, and the every limb pushing in a different direction thing is, while hilarious (like the baby is saying “LEMME OUT OF HERE!”), pretty painful. The rolling is just weird.
That’s really neat. I think pregnant people are cute. I’ve always wondered if babies are conscious near the end of pregnancy, and if so, what it’s like. Like maybe we’ve all got these memories locked away.
Also, Cassandra, why don’t you just find out for yourself? You don’t need to be asking!
My wife reported that occasionally kicking would get uncomfortable, especially when it felt like she was being kicked in the ribs.
Because I don’t want kids?
@ Kristin – The does sound weird and uncomfortable. The rolling is funny, though – potential gymnast?
Sigh, so close to being non-creepy MRAL. You don’t have to make your womb envy so public. 🙁