The Men’s Rights Movement now has a theme song! A couple of talented young men calling themselves Jade Michael and the FTSU Singers Crew have put together a catchy little grunge rock number they call Go My Own Way, which will now serve as the opening music for the A Voice for Men internet radio show.
As AVfM head cheese Paul Elam puts it, straining his prose-generating abilities to the breaking point as he attempts to find words eloquent enough to describe this new musical masterpiece:
Jade Michael, artist, professional musician and MRA, founder of Artistry Against Misandry, has taken his talent hammer and given it a mighty swing to our benefit. He has forged, in the fires of his own passion, the new theme song for AVfM Radio, titled Go My Own Way. It is not to be confused with the similarly titled offering from Fleetwood Mac, Go Your Own Way. No, not in the least. Jade, with his band, Jade Michael and the FTSU Crew, have produced a veritable anthem for the red pill crowd. It is replete with a great, purist rock sound, a touch of humor, attitude, and a ton of gut level, red pill honesty. Pay close attention to the end for the invocation of Thomas James Ball.
Without further ado, here’s the song:
You can find the full lyrics on YouTube and on AVfM. But I thought I’d share a few of my favorite bits.
The song starts off by addressing one of the most savage injustices faced by men today: evil ladies who expect men to hold doors open for them.
And we’re through with holding doors
Entitlements abound
You say that we still hold you down
And you cop that attitude
No remorse or gratitude
Seriously, ladies, would it hurt you to say “thank you” once in a while, to the men who literally enable you to walk through walls, by holding open the doors you would otherwise be unable to open? To paraphrase Barbie: Doors are hard!
Then there’s this bit:
You’re obsessed with my ability
I won’t be your utility
I’ll never carry you
And I sure won’t marry you
Women around the world, consider what you’re losing here: no longer can you expect to marry guys who hate you so much they made a song about how they won’t hold doors open for you!
And let’s not forget:
Cos’ the time has come to fuck your shit up
The time has come to fuck your shit up
The time has come to fuck your shit up
Perhaps I’m missing some of the subtleties here, but this sort of suggests to me that Jade and the Gang are not so much Men Going Their Own Way as they are Men Still Hanging Around Acting Like Assholes — not MGTOW but MSHAALA.
I appreciate the efforts of Jade Michael and the MSHAALA, but I can’t really help but think of this little song-and-dance number, from the excellent Belgian horror film Calviare (The Ordeal), as the Men’s Rights movement’s unofficial anthem.
In case you’re wondering, this scene makes a little bit more sense in the context of the movie itself. A little bit. It’s actually quite a brilliant little film with some interesting gender stuff going on in it, if you can deal with fairly violent horror films. But, oh my lord, TRIGGER WARNINGS for pretty much every trigger there is.
NOTE: In case you’re wondering about the song’s reference to Thomas Ball: Ball burned himself to death outside a courthouse in Keane, New Hampshire last year in a protest against what he saw as unfair treatment in family court. He hoped that his suicide would inspire other men to start firebombing courthouses and police stations. (This wasn’t mere rhetoric; in the lengthy manifesto he left behind he provided tips on how to make effective Molotov cocktails.) Naturally, many in the MRM have hailed him as a martyr for Men’s Rights.
Also, the “calm the raging beast with kindness, does the poor beast not deserve sympathy?” argument is a modified version of the one Meller uses to excuse domestic violence, so there’s that too. It’s a sexist, dangerous social narrative about how women “should” relate to men, and that’s why I’m not letting even the softer, gentler version of it slide. We need to look at this stuff critically and be aware of where that way of framing the situation comes from, and what the consequences of it are.
@ Quackers
@ Cassandra
@ Zhinxey
The thing is, though, MRAL doesn’t believe that women should have to have sex with him whenever he wants. MRAs don’t believe that either – almost all MRAs say these things for effect.
Deep down they know they’re angry about their own personal and social failings but they all go along with the collective narrative; women did this to them, their “suffering” is political – they are MRAs, they are soliders in a gender war.
Does anyone on this site actually buy that AVfM *believed” that they had uncovered a pro-murder video (the Swedish SCUM clip)? They are delusional, but nobody is that stupid. They know fine well that the video didn’t incite murder – but they all chose to pretend that it is. Why? So that they can believe that they are soliders in a gender war – giving their life some meaning.
OK, I take it back – let’s forget the killing-with-kindness approach.
Let’s just ignore him? Totally ignore him. Don’t comment on his writing, don’t acknowledge him; just totally ignore him. Remove from him what he craves; attention.
The MRM is built on lies – most MRAs know this. But they need to posit themselves as soliders in a gender war – or else they are just sad, pathetic, grubby characters who live on the net.
@ Quackers
@ Cassandra
@ Zhinxey
Hey, don’t worry – we’re having a discussion, it’s all good.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they believed what they write. Just like I’m not surprise Hitler believed what he believed about Jews and the KKK believe what they believe about blacks.
But yes, I think ignoring MRAL would be the best thing to do, but not feeding the trolls is nearly impossible. Someone is gonna crack eventually.
I think a lot of these guys do think that women SHOULD do what they want, including giving them sex on demand. I don’t think they think it’s actually going to happen, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t believe that it should happen. Hence the rage – they know very well that what they want is impossible, but dammit they still want it, and if women would just cooperate…
They know very well that being able to force other people to do what you want is a function of power relations, which is why they’re a. so obsessed with the idea of fucking women from poor countries and b. so focused on removing legal rights for women.
The ones I really think are lying to themselves, and not very convincingly, are the PUAs. Roissy’s crap is so obviously all about trying to engineer a situation in which he has artificial power over women to compensate for his inadequacy that it’s funny in a sick sort of way. If you read his stuff you can see exactly where all his own personal insecurities lie.
@ Cassandra
Yeah, it is truly sad reading the PUA stuff. Again, I’m fairly convinced that the majority of guys writing it aren’t actually doing a fraction of the things they claim to. Though it is funny watching the MRM argue within itself, the celibate, particularly embittered guys arguing with the PUAs.
If Roissy is having even 5% of the sex that he claims to be having I will eat my proverbial hat.
PUAs are funny. They should just make the whole thing into a tall tale competition, like the Bad Hemingway event.
@Cassandra
What are his personal insecurities? I think he’s at some mid life crises and it shows in his projecting all his hate on older women. Obviously if being an old man was so sexy to teenagers he wouldn’t try so hard to dress like a college boy (google his pic, it’s hilarious) he hates on the fat women too because more and more are just accepting themselves and gosh darn it he just can’t force all the men who have sex with them to stop!
But the fact that they actually believe that it’s ok to remove rights from another human being is what sickens me the most. Women are not human to them. Only men are.
I think Roissy is having the worst mid-life crisis I’ve ever witnessed. All the stuff you said, yeah, plus he appears to be trying to convince himself that youth is an STD and you can catch it by fucking people who still have it.
Also part of the reason they’re so focused on teenagers is that teenagers are easier to push around. The whole negging thing works best on people who’re insecure and looking for validation, and which demographic does that most describe in terms of age?
I also wonder sometimes if he’s actually attracted to fat women and trying desperately to convince himself that he isn’t or shouldn’t be. Talk about protesting too much! Could just be part of his ongoing “convince women that they’re worthless and maybe they’ll be willing to put up with chumps like me” campaign.
Actually I think I just figured out why I piss off MRAL so much. I’m nearly 40, right? Totally over the hill in MRA and PUA-speak, and therefore should be super insecure and desperate to snag any man who’ll have me (they do love to waffle about how the balance of sexual power shifts to men as people get older, which is awfully convenient as a theory if you’re a dude like Roissy). But that’s pretty obviously not the case, and in fact I’m not really insecure about that kind of thing at all. MRAL has probably been nursing the hope that at least when he gets older all the women will be so desperate for some man, any man, to look their way that he’ll finally have a chance, so to see a woman old enough to be his mom still being as picky as ever must crush his life’s young dream.
I feel terrible about that, really I do.
@ Cassandra
MRAs/PUAs will rarely have sex and, if they d,o it will be with the exact women they claim not to have sex with – which might explain some of their anger towards these groups. The most pathetic part of this is that they won’t be able to see the incredible beauty of older people.
The sad thing is that just about every male feminist I know has plenty of (often kink related) sex with liberated and confident feminist women.
If PUAs understood this, would they jump ship?
No. They’d rather be without sex than have to be nice to women.
Actually I think I may have a perfect way to respond to MRAL, for people who feel the need to, without actually giving him what he craves.
“That’s nice, dear.”
It could be like “guys, don’t do that” was for Brandon.
CassandraSays – The truly interesting thign about Roissy isn’t just his mid-life crisis and highly exaggerated tales of sexual conquest, it’s the way his cult will obviously make up dating successes to prove him right in the eyes of his critics. He’s so amazing that even though he’s not, in fact, getting them laid the way they claim to be, they have to make up hot model chicks they had sex with due to his teachings in order to teach us not to blaspheme.
When you’re not even getting any, but still think the pua god is right, and he shall be vindicated, and your service should be faithful,… Well. That’s fascinating.
He’s also expressed racist sentiments. I think he’s just a douchebag overall and most likely a psychopath. And yes, most definitely him and the rest of the manospherians go for younger and younger women because they are easier to control due to insecurity. Yes I get the whole “youth is beautiful” thing but over 25 is old? please. He’s also obsessed with proving the validity of game. Why? why does he care? if it works it works? in fact, why the hell would he want to give his secrets to the entire male population, of which there are men who are so much better looking than him?
And no self respecting fat woman would touch him anyway lol.
I sure as hell wont settle and if it means dying alone, oh well. I’ve accepted that. I don’t want to marry and don’t want kids, so why would I waste my time with someone who doesn’t even want to be with older me anyway? Fuck that. I’d rather have cats. And yes I’m being completely serious. I’ve always been more of a loner type anyway. I can live with or without friends and I need my alone time. These assholes think all us women are just dying without a man and our whole lives revolve around finding men. Nope. Especially when they make it clear that all men only care about appearance and submission in women. Um…why would I subject myself to people like that? In all honesty though knowing so many creeps like that exist has put me off dating for awhile. I don’t really feel like dealing with the unpleasantness of running into these losers. I think I’ve said it before but the manosphere has made me slightly more apprehensive of meeting men. Its not that I think most men make up the manosphere, it’s just being aware that they exist and they are so hostile that makes me more suspicious and on edge. The irony is that they believe feminism does that to women. Nope. More like the MRM and PUA movement. I knew there were men out there that hated women, but not in such large numbers.
@MRAL: Everyone takes this stuff so personally.
Says the man who seems incapable of thinking that the women who don’t fall at his feet/suck his cock might have any other motive than hating him!
Oh, and protip: apologizing is only the first step. It’s not magic words that make us forget all the shit you posted here. You have to try to change your behavior–i.e. NOT raging at women, NOT claiming to be this huge authority (“my love for this band is totally objective!”) on topics that you are not in fact that much of an authority on. That change has to stick for more than a week or so. You haven’t changed the behavior, and you revert very quickly to whining about how mean everybody is to you when we call you on it.
@ Quackers
I really think you’re missing a crucial element – the PUAs, and their adoring minions, aren’t getting laid and, if they are, it isn’t with the “9s and 10s” that they claim to be having sex with.
@ Zhinxy I think you’ve got it bang on the money.
@HappyAnti-MRA
I leave open a small chance Roissy and his ilk are getting laid because there are a lot of young women with low self esteem. That being said, lets say he is getting laid? who cares. He’s still a douche and some drunken college girl’s mistake. What an accomplishment lol. I also fail to see how negging a really attractive woman who has lots of men to choose from is just going to drop her panties over a vague insult. Seeing as how people generally date within their league, why would a “10” woman date some creep having a midlife crisis when she could get a “10” man?
buuuut as one of my guy friends also put it (since that’s the only criteria that matters apparently) told me: “guys who spend all that time on the internet talking about getting laid, are not getting laid”
oops…what I meant to say:
as one of my guy friends who is in an LTR with a skinny pretty woman (since that’s the only criteria that matters apparently) told me: “guys who spend all that time on the internet talking about getting laid, are not getting laid”
@Happy Anti MRA:
I don’t care what MRAL or the other Trollz believe.
I care what they say (speech is action): thus, my ongoing recommendation to read Intent, it’s Fucking Magic. I suggest you read it and think about it.
I do care about the impact of their language.
I don’t care what they do offline since I don’t (as far as I know) interact with them offline. I consider online interactions real interactions–for a variety of reasons, I consider internet time real time, real life, real interactions (for one thing, in rural Texas, there are very few fat feminist queer pagan sf/f geeks OR people who are cool about other people being f.f.q.p.sff.g and who share my interests).
I don’t care about them, about their personal happiness, and I am not here to be their mommy, counsellor, Wise Woman Guide to Happiness, or anything else.
I do care that they are spreading misogyny. I don’t care enough to actually read or engage with any of them (I don’t read any of the links David provides). I like the mocking misogyny mission of Manboobz; I like a lot of the people who hang out here, and I have discovered I like smacking trolls at times.
MRAL got lots of sympathy and kindness here even while spewing a lot of shit, and he has basically thrown all that kindness back in people’s faces. He seems to think feminism is a mass plot to make women his age all uppity and refuse to have sex with him. Ignoring him seems to make him post on even more extreme levels. Time will tell.
And while you characterize the interactions above as “just having a discussion,” what I see is you coming dangerously close to a standard troll and/or patriarchal move of centering men as the most important agents and lecturing women (primarily) on how we should treat these men to HELP THE MEN. I seriously don’t care about “the men” (in this case, specifically, straight white men who have decided they are oppressed by women and/or feminists).
Why do you?
Wow, ok, I wasn’t going to comment any more, but I guess everyone loves building up this violent abusive sociopathic image of me. I don’t like it and I dont want to be piled on like this.
Firstly, I was referring to Yorke as “He”, in an attempt to be funny, which I guess I’ll just stop doing because everyone starting finding a way to insult me anyway. Secondly, I didn’t say “Creep” was “holding elitist bitches accountable”, that’s a misrepresentation worthy of ToySoldier. I said that on one level, I think Creep was about the difficulty being a man or performing masculinity. Yorke even said so in an interview somewhere. What, Bikini Kill etc. can make a movement out of the female condition and yet Radiohead can’t possibly make a single song (partially) about men’s problems?
Oh will you just go fuck yourself somewhere else? Stop being such a martyr. You burned your bridges, and your name is gonna come up in connection with you being a jerk. If you feel piled on, and need to correct the horrible horrible insults… Oooh, well, I guess you’ll be here forever telling us how mean we are, won’t you?
You aren’t being called history’s great monster. You’re being called a fucking jerk who spits in the face of people who were actually incredibly nice to him considering his fucked up shit. Defending Thy Character in the face of all of that is just gonna make you look worse.
Also, that’s nice, dear.
@ ithiliana
I made the comment about “just having a discussion” in response to concern expressed by someone about coming across as angry to me.
I suggested ignoring ONE male, MRAL (I’m not convinced he is actually a man, I think he could well be underage), not “these” men ; “ONE” male.
Um, yeah, I wasn’t “lecturing” anyone, I was suggesting a course of action in handling a troll. Your kinda paranoid retort is not unlike a standard MRAs. That’s what discussion is, no?
This site was set up to combat the misogny of the MRM. It would be foolish to do this without an understanding of what makes them tick, their membership and their modus operandi. They are, generally, scared, illogical fantasists. As a lot of teenagers are. Taking them too seriously gives them a legitimacy that they don’t have or deserve. Again, because this site is about combating the misogny of the MRM, how we interact with these particular “important agents” is highly relevant, no?
Finally, I have to say that I found your tone unacceptable and somewhat annoying – far too AVfM/MRA for my liking. Read the other critical (of other genuine contributors) comments for an idea of how to get your idea across without sounding off exactly like the extremists that we oppose.
This is one of the most hilariously self unaware things you’ve ever posted, MRAL. Along with your fauxpologies, it makes you completely full of shit.
It’s nice that you like Radiohead (and my sources tell me the whole damn band is very nice and chill and a pleasure to work with), but don’t try to out music nerd me. Ain’t gonna work.
Happy Anti-MRA, if you want to smother MRAL with kindness, feel free, but you have to understand why the majority of us will not pick up what you put down. Why doesn’t he try kindness for a while?
Now I just think you’re full of it, HAM, because this:
is the opening salvo of a supposed ally who’s really anything but. It’s happened before. And who are you to lecture Ithiliana, a longstanding good-faith poster? Oh, right.
Actually, this site isn’t about combating, it’s about mocking.