Over on Reddit, DoktorTeufel has a problem: he likes the ladies, but he doesn’t like the feminists. Unfortunately, some ladies are also feminists! And therein lies the danger. Naturally, he turns to the fellas in the Men’s Rights subreddit for help.
I’m just going to come out and say it: I will never knowingly enter into a romantic relationship with a feminist. I do have some female relatives and acquaintances who are feminists … and it’s not like they all wear signs that proclaim I’M A FEMINIST. (Some do.)
Aside from obvious telltales (feminist bumper stickers, etc.) or outright asking them “Are you a feminist?”, what are some discreet ways to ferret out a woman’s views on gender activism without creating an awkward situation? Feminism is a minefield topic, and I certainly wouldn’t broach the subject directly with a woman I’ve just started dating.
Naturally, this being the Men’s Rights subreddit, he received much helpful advice. Celda broke it down for him:
You don’t really care whether she identifies as a feminist or not – you care what her views are.
For instance, does she feel women have the right to force men into parental obligations against their will?
Does she feel women are oppressed in Western society?
Does she think that women make less money than men for the same work?
If yes to these questions or similar, then you probably want to avoid her.
Exactly. Always avoid those with a basic grasp on reality. They’re the worst!
Naive1000 suggested looking for more subtle clues.
Ask their thoughts on “benevolent sexism” if they know what your talking about you likely have a feminist. Just to make sure go into male privilege, it’s the feminists’ most popular talking point. Let her talk about it then you can see what she’s really like. But, there are some women who call themselves feminists, but are really egalitarian: they just don’t know the term.
Memymineown also suggests a subtle approach, and holds out hope that some of the younger feminist girls can be won back to the path of righteousness:
Bring Men’s Rights issues into the conversation subtly. I was talking with my family about Justin Beiber and brought up the paternity charge and no rape charges filed against the woman.
That led into a discussion about how women aren’t punished for rape.
Just do things like that.
But you shouldn’t exclude all feminists. I would say that the vast majority are just girls(I do use that word on purpose) who have been lied to. Once you show them the real facts they will probably come around.
ThePigman, by contrast, urges DoktorTeufel to go for the jugular:
Why do you need to be discrete about it? Just ask her. If she is a member of the cult she will start screaming about the patriarchy, then her head will explode.
It’s true. Pretty much every conversation involving feminists quickly devolves into screaming about patriarchy. Heck, a feminist friend and I once screamed about patriarchy for five hours straight. We probably could have gone longer, but the manager at Applebee’s, evidently not a feminist, threw us out. Sometimes I start screaming about patriarchy when no one else is around, just to keep in practice.
Conversations with feminists pretty much all go like the conversation in the video below, only instead of a cat you need to picture a feminist, and instead of the word “no,” the word “patriarchy.” You can see how annoying that might get, and not just to Hitler.
And NWO’s grandfather… and his great grandfather and etc etc etc
You know, you are REALLY REALLY lucky to have existed! Earth is 5000 years old right NWO? Let’s assume a generation is 25 years… that’s 200 generations of NWO lineage.
So you had a 0.001^200 chance of existing given that all of your male ancestors had to be of the 0.1% that got a woman.
Just out of curisoty, is the man paying for the housing, food, clothing all the rest free?
An average run of the mill hotelroom is $90.00 a night, can I deduct that off a womans fee? Thatd be $32,850.00 a year. Now the food itself say costs another 10K a year. How about the clothing, electricity, heat, water, sewer, trash removal, repairs.
It seems in the end, It’s a pretty good deal.
I told you guys I’m training NWO to learn who has contact w/ me outside MBZ xD
He’s figured out Zhinxy…
who’s next… his ban list is gonna get loooonnnnggg
he must avoid those tainted by Ami!
If you hang a symbol of XD on your door the spirit of NWO will pass your house by. xD
I know I’m wasting my breath, NWO, but…
By saying women’s housework is worth money, I don’t literally mean the husband has to cut a check to his wife to live in his home. I more mean that it shouldn’t be treated like nothing.
He doesn’t get to say “it’s my money so I make the decisions” in financial decisions, because for all her work, it’s her money too. For the same reason, he doesn’t get to take all the money in a divorce.
It would be cool if women could literally get money for housework, but if we can’t, the least we can get is treated like workers, not like freeloaders.
“hotelroom”
First the apostrophes, and now the space bar. You’re regressing, sir.
@Quackers
If you help a straight white man your a racist.
nwoslave | January 5, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Just out of curisoty, is the man paying for the housing, food, clothing all the rest free?
An average run of the mill hotelroom is $90.00 a night, can I deduct that off a womans fee? Thatd be $32,850.00 a year. Now the food itself say costs another 10K a year. How about the clothing, electricity, heat, water, sewer, trash removal, repairs.
It seems in the end, It’s a pretty good deal.
NWO your math is wrong. xD
But I help straight white men all the time o: In fact both of my bosses are straight white men.
NWO’s calling me a racist!
SHAMING LANGUAGE!!!
SHAMING LANGUAGE!!!
NWO stop shaming people.
@Ami: Don’t you have to paint the xD on your door with the blood of a castrated male? 😀
Your “a racist” what?
Why is my house a hotel? It could at least be an apartment. And you better put in a steep break on the price for sharing it with a roommate. See, now you’re down to like $6000 a month.
http://ami-rants.blogspot.com/2012/01/sudbury-ywca-shelter-question-trans.html
Also dropping this link off because HOLY WTF >:O
@Holly Pervocracy
What money in a divorce?
You’re talking about a dream world.
You keep looking at the elite. That aint the real world. And even with them it’s a joke. What woman deserves 50 or 60 million for a divorce?
@Lauralot YUP! xD preferably a castrated male human
nwoslave | January 5, 2012 at 7:13 pm
@Holly Pervocracy
What money in a divorce?
You’re talking about a dream world.
You keep looking at the elite. That aint the real world. And even with them it’s a joke. What woman deserves 50 or 60 million for a divorce?
What’s the real world? o_O
In the real world, men get money in a divorce too.
Not just “elites” xD I’m pretty sure you know this, honestly, b/c you interact w/ real human beings, and you live in the same world as the rest of us xD
@Holly Pervocracy
Cooking and cleaning 60K a year? If you think you’re gonna charge such an outrageous sum and not get nailed $90.00 a day for a hotel fee dream on sweetie.
What’s the elite to him btw? o_O
The 0.1% of men who get a wife?
nwoslave | January 5, 2012 at 7:15 pm
@Holly Pervocracy
Cooking and cleaning 60K a year? If you think you’re gonna charge such an outrageous sum and not get nailed $90.00 a day for a hotel fee dream on sweetie.
Your math is wrong again NWO xD
@Ami: That link is so fucked up. I had to comment, it was so fucked up.
What money in a divorce?
How about half the money she helped her husband earn? Or at least a goodly share of it.
If a woman’s husband earned 200 million while she was keeping his house, raising his kids, undoubtedly helping him with his work and finances, then 50 million seems extremely reasonable.
NWO, you know Holly’s already got you beaten don’t you? xD You just are so short-sighted xD
NWO, I don’t literally expect $60K for housekeeping. (Well, I don’t expect anything for housekeeping because I don’t plan to have kids and I want to have a career of my own.)
But I don’t like the fact that your counteroffer is “just because.”