Over on Reddit, DoktorTeufel has a problem: he likes the ladies, but he doesn’t like the feminists. Unfortunately, some ladies are also feminists! And therein lies the danger. Naturally, he turns to the fellas in the Men’s Rights subreddit for help.
I’m just going to come out and say it: I will never knowingly enter into a romantic relationship with a feminist. I do have some female relatives and acquaintances who are feminists … and it’s not like they all wear signs that proclaim I’M A FEMINIST. (Some do.)
Aside from obvious telltales (feminist bumper stickers, etc.) or outright asking them “Are you a feminist?”, what are some discreet ways to ferret out a woman’s views on gender activism without creating an awkward situation? Feminism is a minefield topic, and I certainly wouldn’t broach the subject directly with a woman I’ve just started dating.
Naturally, this being the Men’s Rights subreddit, he received much helpful advice. Celda broke it down for him:
You don’t really care whether she identifies as a feminist or not – you care what her views are.
For instance, does she feel women have the right to force men into parental obligations against their will?
Does she feel women are oppressed in Western society?
Does she think that women make less money than men for the same work?
If yes to these questions or similar, then you probably want to avoid her.
Exactly. Always avoid those with a basic grasp on reality. They’re the worst!
Naive1000 suggested looking for more subtle clues.
Ask their thoughts on “benevolent sexism” if they know what your talking about you likely have a feminist. Just to make sure go into male privilege, it’s the feminists’ most popular talking point. Let her talk about it then you can see what she’s really like. But, there are some women who call themselves feminists, but are really egalitarian: they just don’t know the term.
Memymineown also suggests a subtle approach, and holds out hope that some of the younger feminist girls can be won back to the path of righteousness:
Bring Men’s Rights issues into the conversation subtly. I was talking with my family about Justin Beiber and brought up the paternity charge and no rape charges filed against the woman.
That led into a discussion about how women aren’t punished for rape.
Just do things like that.
But you shouldn’t exclude all feminists. I would say that the vast majority are just girls(I do use that word on purpose) who have been lied to. Once you show them the real facts they will probably come around.
ThePigman, by contrast, urges DoktorTeufel to go for the jugular:
Why do you need to be discrete about it? Just ask her. If she is a member of the cult she will start screaming about the patriarchy, then her head will explode.
It’s true. Pretty much every conversation involving feminists quickly devolves into screaming about patriarchy. Heck, a feminist friend and I once screamed about patriarchy for five hours straight. We probably could have gone longer, but the manager at Applebee’s, evidently not a feminist, threw us out. Sometimes I start screaming about patriarchy when no one else is around, just to keep in practice.
Conversations with feminists pretty much all go like the conversation in the video below, only instead of a cat you need to picture a feminist, and instead of the word “no,” the word “patriarchy.” You can see how annoying that might get, and not just to Hitler.
NWO, since when is anybody obligated to be anybody’s domestic servant for free?
I don’t even understand what you’re getting at with that “offer.” Obviously it would be a bad deal for you and that’s the point.
I’m definitely not paying him for sexual services, since he doesn’t seem like he’d be much use at getting the job done in that regard.
He doesn’t seem like he’d be much use at anything, and even if he were, I’d rather pay triple for someone else to perform a service just to avoid him.
@hellkell
““New” constitution? Did I miss a class?”
Original constitution; Article 1 section 9
“No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid”
Ammendment Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”
The birth of the federal reserve.
Maybe he can persuade women to pay him to go away, like one sometimes does with particularly bad buskers?
So NWO is “ignoring” Zhinxy now too? xD (after declaring victory of course! XD He acts like other ppl only go by what he says and they can’t read how badly he’s flailed in the Libertarian discussion…)
If it’s nething like how he ignores me, it means Zhinxy can now influence what NWO does by simply posting on a topic and watching NWO avoid it like the plague (which of course means he read it or he wouldn’t know what to avoid xD )
You can tell what NWO’s sore points are and who gets under his skin the most by who he runs fleeing from xD
(we’ll see how long he ignores Zhinxy for neways XD )
At this rate, NWO will have ignored all of us by the end of 2017 (he’ll prolly still be here by then sadly xD I prolly won’t)
OH AND BY THE WAY!!!
GUYZZZZ
I GOT THE JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀
Holly Pervocracy | January 5, 2012 at 6:55 pm
NWO, since when is anybody obligated to be anybody’s domestic servant for free?
SHHHHHH, don’t tell him. NWO is my domestic servant for free and he doesn’t know that he’s not obligated to be.
CONGRATULATIONS AMI!
😀
(>^^)>
Congrats, Ami!
@Holly Pervocracy
“I don’t even understand what you’re getting at with that “offer.” Obviously it would be a bad deal for you and that’s the point.”
The price to have a woman live with a man is unreachable for 99.9% of all men.
Oh btw, I’m sending out my gifts to ppl :3 If you would like a gift from me, or a card or something, drop your address off in a PM on the forum 😀
I was unable to do this during the holidays but I’m doing it now 😀 (also the mail traffic is clearer now)
Funny. I have a screening tactic to see if men in my life and men I date (well when and if I decide to date) are MRAs or MRA sympathizers.
Does he talk about how unfair men, particularity white straight men have it in modern society?
Does he rant about false rape accusations and exaggerate/lie about the numbers?
Does he hold hostile views towards feminism or rant about feminism until his head explodes?
Is he a self proclaimed “nice guy”?
Does he dehumanize “sluts”?
Does he go on about how different men and women are and always brings up naturalistic fallacies?
If any of these are met, buh-bye. On the contrary though, if we can both agree that women have shit to deal with and men also have some shit to deal with and can discuss it without hating on the opposite sex, then all is fine. Hell can he criticize SOME aspects of feminism logically without throwing the entire movement and all it’s positive gains out the window? also fine. The few guys and girls I’ve talked about the MRM insist that they are a minority and just a bunch of crazies on the internet. I hope for the sake of all that is sane and logical they are right.
Bullshit, NWO. That’s just more of your willful obtuseness.
Do you think I’m going to submit my husband a bill at the end of every quarter?
Oh and NWO, if you want a gift, I’ll send you a little something too 😀 (no srsly I will 😀 and no, it won’t be a Star Wars book… it’ll be something not mean though 🙂 )
So how has NWO done at not reading anything w/ a single smiley in it?
What happens if you talk about the Scion xD btw? Can he read that or not?
YAY AMI! o/
It’d be hilarious if he went to the car dealership and just DEMANDED that the advertising material he get have the Scion xD excised from it.
Okay, and you think it should be…
Do you think women should live with men and do their laundry just because? Or do you have a specific offer to make? I’m very confused here.
The price to have a woman live with a man is unreachable for 99.9% of all men.
oh? xD
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
so 99.9% of the male population in the world has never been married, or had sex, or had a girlfriend? xD
So NWO’s dad must be one of the .1%
Conga-rats Ami! Mexican wave time! o/
@Ami: He totally responded to a post of zhinxy’s with an “XD” in it, but now he’s trying to pretend he didn’t because he’s afraid of you!
XD
Getting back to the OP, it seems clear to me that some of the people posting in this thread are feminists, though inexplicably there has been very little screaming about patriarchy.
I don’t know what job you got, Ami, but since you’re all excited about it then congratulations anyway!