Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
Zhinxy – His proof is LADY.
Also, you could be Jewish.
My second thought is: “seasteading” WTF?
And thirdly, I keep remembering stories of teenage boys in MOOS and MUCKS and other such places in the earlier days of the internet trying to talk like they imagined “girls” would talk (or fantasized how girls would talk) and failing miserably…..
Holly – TRUE! I’d HAVE TO LIE ABOUT IT… Wait a minute, so… You CAN’T be Jewish…
NWO – Wait, hold up, so… Do you interpret the powerful “Drag me, Strip me, My brother’s blood will cover me” chant as… Some sort of sexual display and call for men’s blood???????
OH, WAIT. OF COURSE YOU DO!
…wow.
The laughing or the crying, what does I do>
@ithiliana I successfully impersonated a woman for several months on EQ2 because I refused to join voice chat and talked exclusively about *in game content*!
Also I look fabulous in a
mini-skirtkilt.Oops, turning into
Brandon*that* guy.Anyway, I have to get back to my
Brandonbecause I have a stack ofBrandonto finish before IBrandonfor the day. And since I can’tBrandonto theBrandonafterBrandonI’m just goingBrandonso I can catch up on myBrandon.Cassandra, that one’s a bit of a toughie, because in roissyland alphahood is entirely based on whether girls like you, so if they are not convinced of your alphahood, you’re not an alpha. Still, I will try.
Scientists say 90% of communication is nonverbal. Therefore, in the first thirty seconds of the approach, the girls have already assessed your position in the hierarchy and decided whether to spread their legs or blow you out. However many routines you’ve memorized or magic tricks you’ve learned, it is nearly impossible to overcome weak body language.
Don’t walk like a beta male, hunched over and supplicating, begging for their attention. Stride purposefully like an alpha male. You have places to go and you’re deigning to grant these girls your attention. Walk quickly, since you’re purposeful, but not too quickly (rushing is beta). Look forward directly at your goal, unless you’re approaching a girl, in which case look around as if you can see a better prospect. When you stand, stand contrapasso, like the heroic statues of the Renaissance: legs and feet shoulder-width apart, one foot at a jaunty angle, most of your weight on your left leg. You should seem relaxed, carelessly vulnerable, and self-possessed.
When you speak, speak like an alpha male. Your voice should be deep, ravaged by testosterone, not the high squeak of a beta male. Lift weights and cut out soy to increase your T. Speak slowly and calmly. Your voice must be low, so they have to crane in to hear you; this is a subtle gesture of submission on their part.
Finally, the most important game is inner game. You are the prize. The girls are seeking your approval; you are not seeking theirs. They’re lucky to be able to spend time with you. You don’t care if they stay or go. This attitude is hardwired by evolution straight to the ginas of girls: a man who doesn’t care about them is a man with options, and a man with options is a man whose genes will have sexy sons. If you can make yourself believe you are the prize, it will create a thousand tiny subconscious adjustments in posture, movement, and voice that will greatly improve your game.
Ithiliana: “Seasteading” is a movement to start little libertarian utopias in the ocean. There would be no drug laws, no minimum-wage laws, and no building codes. Because having a bunch of drugged-out workers making a dollar an hour cutting corners to save money in the middle of the FUCKING OCEAN is sure to end well.
I have now decided to reclaim the term Thundercunt! THUNDERCUNTS UNITE!
We can base the theme song for our new feminist band, Thundercunts, on the old Thundercats theme. Who’s with me?
NWO, serious question: do you believe brothers and sisters can love each other? What would you do if some fucknugget cop broke your sister’s ribs on TV? (inb4 “say she deserved it”) Also…you’re a libertarian, right? HERE IS ACTUAL STATIST OPPRESSION BY A MILITARY JUNTA. LOOK AT IT.
What’s lacking with these mra dudes that they find success with women like so many other men can? Hell, everywhere you look you see couples happy in their relationships. What’s wrong with the mra dudes that they are incapable of finding success?
For the rest of us.
What’s lacking with these mra dudes that they Can’t find success with women like so many other men can?
Hell, everywhere you look you see couples happy in their relationships.
What’s wrong with the mra dudes that they are incapable of finding success?
Ozy,
Should end well enough for those of us who aren’t very nice people and have a very dark sense of humor.
They’re psyching themselves up to fail. Look at MRAL in the other thread: he goes on for pages of INTERNET RAGE about how a girl at a party isn’t interested in him…and not once does he mention asking her if she was up for anything.
NWO, serious question: do you believe brothers and sisters can love each other? What would you do if some fucknugget cop broke your sister’s ribs on TV? (inb4 “say she deserved it”) Also…you’re a libertarian, right? HERE IS ACTUAL STATIST OPPRESSION BY A MILITARY JUNTA. LOOK AT IT.
…
I still haven’t had any word from NWO on whether he identifies libertarian or not. He does, however, insist I’m pretending to be one.
And seriously. He’s utterly blinded by the idea that women are marching… To oppress men… Or something…
@Holly,
“…you should start your own PUA site and use the lingo to advocate how treating women like humans is a DHV and bypasses the Bitch Shield, but that seems like a hypocritical suggestion to make right now.”
http://www.charlienox.com/2011/12/02/get-off-script/
…Men have to actually say what they want? Women don’t just randomly offer men blowjobs because they’re having a nice conversation at a party?
Bitches! Scorning men for daring to touch your robes!
“Tell us more about how dreamy it is to work as an unpaid servant for a dude all day, every day. Why, if you’re lucky, you even get to drive”
Not saying it’s dreamy, but it’s not unpaid. You get paid in food, clothes and other things you need/want that the husband can afford with his money. If it was truly unpaid, I would say it was unfair. Not to mention that if you were really not paid and at the same time had to stay at home, you would starve to death. Housewives getting paid with money for their housework, while being more or less supported by their husbands is what I call extra pay. The husband is not supported by anyone but himself.
Ithiliana: “Seasteading” is a movement to start little libertarian utopias in the ocean. There would be no drug laws, no minimum-wage laws, and no building codes. Because having a bunch of drugged-out workers making a dollar an hour cutting corners to save money in the middle of the FUCKING OCEAN is sure to end well.
-Not all communities involved in seasteading are at all capitalistish. 🙂 And who’s to say corners will be cut? I may think these schemes are silly and utopian, (And I do) but, on the other hand, I welcome all attempts to build anarchy. The assumption that no drug laws equals everybody high, no minimum wage laws (Which have a VERY complex and murky history) mean nobody gets a fair wage, and no state codes means no safety is very much up for debate. Anarchy, capital L libertarian or not, is about building a new society – Why the assumption it has to have the worst aspects of capitalism?
*puts on pirate hat and swashes her buckle*
And if we are to fail and starve and crumble on our own, well, as long as we’re given the freedom to peacefully try!
I firmly support seasteaders being allowed to peacefully try. I just think it’s a damn stupid idea. 🙂
And that, you know, we have building codes and minimum-wage laws for a reason, and that reason is that so far people have a proven track record of being terrible at prioritizing long-term safety and happiness over a quick buck.
The problem with getting paid in food and clothes and such is that it’s pretty much entirely on the husband’s sufferance. If he decides he doesn’t want me wearing such nice clothes, there’s no labor laws protecting me from this sudden, unilateral “wage cut,” no minimum wage laws saying he has to give me anything at all, and getting a new “job” is even harder than it is for regular jobs. And if I get fed up and leave the MRAs don’t want me getting any alimony.
I don’t think staying at home is always wrong, especially for people with small children, but it’s not like a job.
Also: if the husband is getting housekeeping, nannying for his children, and a personal chef, he’s receiving services of real monetary value. Supporting the person who does these things for him is not an act of loving charity. It’s a fantastic deal compared to what he’d have to pay professionals.
Oh, just in case there’s someone out there who hasn’t seen this: Thundercunt!, thanks to Ami’s brilliant mind.
Also, just because I have to do this anytime thundercunt is mentioned:
Thundercunt, thundercunt, thndercunt! On land. On ice. Under water. Over water. Thundercunt! There’s nothing in the world like Thundercunt!
bobbyjo: I think it’s a self-reinforcing cycle. People get into the Roissysphere (my area of interest in the manosphere) because they can’t get laid for whatever reason– they’re shy, they’re not good-looking, they have poor social skills, they have shitty luck. The Roissysphere then inculcates attitudes in them that will keep them from getting laid, so they keep coming back and buying books and DVDs and driving blog traffic. It’s a racket.