Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
Women make 76 cents on a dollar compared to men for the same job and the same amount of labor. 1 in 4 women are raped in college, the place any women is most likely to be raped according to the numbers.
Except that’s not actually the stat (or the wording of the stat) xD
I like how that doesn’t matter to NWO xD
For a guy oppressed by feminism, knowing thy enemy seems incredibly low on the list xD
No wonder he’s made no progress in his heroic quest against the Dark Vagina xD
Emma: About alimony. If you decided to marry (no threats, violence, lies or lack of rights), and then marriage “went to hell”, then the husband, IMO, should only pay if the marriage went to hell due to something he did (something like being abusive, bullying, cheating, not fulfilling his marriage duties that are expected of him). If she chose to marry and be a housewife, and then chose to leave, why should he pay for her choices? Why should he continue fulfilling some of his marriage duties after she no longer does any of hers? If she DID do some, I would understand.
Back Fucking Pay
As said before… the wife is doing more than a hired employee. The law forbids paying a domestic employee solely in room and board. The law doesn’t require one spouse to pay another, but when that support the domestic spouse has been doing has harmed that spouse’s ability to properly support themself the law affords a remedy for the earnings they have 1: accrued, and 2: lost the potential to make.
It’s not punishment, it’s equity.
As to the “putting out”, there is a difference between putting out when you feel like it, and that being a requirement of the relationship.
But since you don’t seem to understand about the value of work; and the costs to the woman (and that the man isn’t going into the relationship all innocent of the responsibilities if the couple choose to have one partner stay at home), I don’t expect you to see the problems inherent in the differences between those two situations either.
As I said, you are at least complicit in evil; given your various apologia, I am prone to saying you are more than complicit.
So NWO, I see now that I’ve asked you to describe your worldview you’ve completely abandoned your position that Zhinxy believes in the state xD “I’m not running, I’m advancing backwards!” xD
What other positions can I overrun of his I wonder? 😀
Let’s put it up to a vote! 😀
PECUNIUM, HOW WAS THE DAILY SHOW!
Oooh, and guess what, I made some inquiries and I AM only one degree of separation from the Less Wrong Guy, and I heard a story that is frickin’ awesome and I can never repeat it to anyone, at least until I wear my nameless friend down until letting me change the names and places and such.
You have my sympathies, dude.
I think everybody should just stop talking until NWO answers me xD
Except a) when he goes 1 on 1 w/ me during periods where nobody’s on, he’s ended up leaving and making excuses (usually after hurling transphobic insults at me hoping David will ban him and he won’t have to admit defeat xD )
b) when ppl agree to step aside for us to go at it, he just declares he’s going to bed and his usual ‘TAKE CARE SUCKAS’ xD
Yes, Pecunium, how was the DS, and how was my crush Jon Stewart?
@NWO
“Why just today, I found out apachee helicopter girl is better than any man.”
But that was written by Ray, a man. Or do you only recognise manhood if we preface it with “Bitches ain’t shit”? In that case:
Bitches ain’t shit. What proof do you have that all women are always inferior to all men at any ONE given task that is not pissing while standing?
Further, his statement was that “apachee helicopter girl” had the best gunnery scores out of everyone that he knew. When we say that some woman was the best X that we know, the phrase “that we know” acknowledges that this is our experience and not universal. The English language, learn it
Well, one degree other than you, too, I suppose, but I mean in a meatspace sense XD
NWO: But you just expect us to believe any old thing you type because… what, the shining beacon of TRUTH in your words should shine through our computer screens?
NWO KNOWS ALL. xD DO NOT QUESTION TEH NWO!!!!!
(or nwo now that he’s stopped capitalizing his name xD)
I applied for another job in social services NWO… had an interview today…
how high is my body count of straight cis men going to be if I get it? o:
AMI – “I think everybody should just stop talking until NWO answers me xD”
This, as much as possible
ANSWER… ANSWER… XD XD XD
It’s a joke you dumb fuck. Humor. Something you don’t understand because you have none you hateful, miserable jackass.
NWO really went even further downhill in this thread. I’ll bring up the sentiment that’s already been mentioned here before, how does he manage to operate a computer? does he just smack the thing a la Zoolander while shrieking about TitleIX/VAWA/feminists?
Also Aaron Lewis is a conservative? wow, even more proof that my music taste in highschool was shitty. It doesn’t surprise me when I think about it though, metal and it’s nu-metal younger brother always had that angry white man thing going on.
What exactly will cause the collapse of civilization NWO?
Sooooo….
tell us again about Zhinxy and how she totally needs and loves this culture that you can’t explain? (and somehow hasn’t managed to kill you xD AND you have the internet, and unlimited free time apparently for a guy that slaves 2X hours a day xD )
@Pecunium
“If the women were castrating the men, they were evil. So go ahead, show us the evidence for the fantastic allegation of yours. What women were cutting men’s balls off as a form of amusement?”
Women don’t sully themselves, they’ll neither shed others blood for men, nor shed any themselves. They’re far to aristocratic for that. Manipulation, coersion, deceit and cheerleading is the womans way.
I’ll do the dance that you love the little girl tells her daddy if you give me anything I want, Daddy agrees and when the dance is done she calls for the head of John the Baptist. The blood washed off her hands sooooo easily, and the little girl remained blameless.
So I doubt that NWO will read or comprehend any of this, but the abuse of anthropology is kind of an issue for me, so I thought I’d respond to some of his spewings.
First, the existence of two-spirits in Native American cultures is documented in sources dating back to well before the second half of the twentieth century. They are also called ‘berdaches’, although the Native Americans themselves prefer two-spirit. And, get this! There are two-spirits around today! Native Americans are still alive, and many of them still practice traditions that have their roots in the pre-Columbian era (as far as we can tell)! There are also still hijra, fa’afafine, and all kinds of other people who fill traditional third gender roles, traditional meaning “before those nasty feminists got ahold of them”. Hell, India’s had a written language for a long time, so you can probably do some research and figure out roughly how old the role of hijra is, if it is a historic development.
Second, these are just the traditional, established, named third gender roles. There are also less official ones in many cultures. For instance, in… I think it’s Afghanistan, but I can’t remember, non-upper class families with all daughters have traditionally had a problem. Their daughters need a brother to act as their escort when they go out in public, to run errands or whatever. If they’ve only got girls, there is no escort, which is a major issue. So a lot of these families basically made one of their daughters into a son, by dressing her in boys’ clothes and I think giving her a boy’s name. It has nothing to do with sexuality, as she reverts to a female role when she comes of age and will be considered a woman thereafter, but it is very similar to the abovementioned established alternate gender roles.
So, again, NWO, just because you declare something is so, doesn’t mean you’re right. Third gender roles have nothing to do with modern Western feminism, beyond the fact that anthropologists are more likely to recognize third genders and talk about them now.
NWO, what exactly will cause civilization to collapse? I mean, yeah, you said feminism, but what exactly?
I’ll do the dance that you love the little girl tells her daddy if you give me anything I want, Daddy agrees and when the dance is done she calls for the head of John the Baptist. The blood washed off her hands sooooo easily, and the little girl remained blameless.
Is that rly how you believe ppl read the story? xD
Cuz according to you society believes this, so it must be how ppl in our society read the story right? 😀
*whistles* now you’ve left ANOTHER position you had to hope Pecunium engages you and you can avoid me xD
You’re losing a lot of the stuff you claim to believe xD
I bet that NWO thinks ppl read Samson and Delilah and come away thinking Delilah’s the hero too xD
@random6x7
How could sources documenting such a thing date back to well before the second half of the twentieth century, when in 1492 columbus sailed the ocean blue?
Is that feminist math? How did that documentation take place well before then? I know we have a lot of Dr. Who fans so is that how it was done?
Because the 20th century started in 1900, over 400 years later?
Little known fact: God had a Daughter too, but no way He’d send HER to die.