Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
Quick reality check: non-combat positions in the military generally pay less than combat positions. NWO’s idea that female soldiers in support positions are getting paid the same as male soldiers on the front lines comes from the same special place as all his other concepts about the universe.
This is an issue for women in the military right now, as many women would like to take combat positions because they pay better but can’t because the military doesn’t allow it.
@Kollege
“Anyway, why can’t the partner who wants to have sex while the other partner doesn’t just, you know, masturbate?”
While I do understand your point re: bodily autonomy, I think this line of thought is too often used to shame people into staying in incompatible relationships. While sex isn’t the only important part of being in a relationship, it is definitely an important aspect, and masturbation is not a real substitute. I think if libidos or ideas about sex or whatever are so mismatched that one partner is constantly left frustrated, and no compromise can be reached (e.g. opening up the relationship), then the frustrated partner is fully justified in believing that they are not in an equally satisfying relationship and are fully justified in leaving without being accused of not caring about the partner. (This is not, however, me saying that women should just lie back and think of England if they don’t feel like having sex)
@shaenon
I tried to give him the benefit of doubt and read him as saying that women were doing less work than men but being paid the same as the men in the same positions. The alternative that you suggested was just so stupid that I didn’t think he could even consider that an argument.
/is an idealist
@Shadow
Oh, definitely! I really don’t think there’s anything wrong with ending a relationship if the libidos are waaay mismatched (that applies to either partner, of course).
I forgot to point out that I agree with that part
of Emma’s post, and the point I made was supposed to apply to the situation were the sex drives are only a tad different, so my bad for not clarifying it 🙁
@Kollege Fair cop, I just read a couple of her comments on this page after reading the false flag feminist post above, and my first thought was “Wow, this person sounds exactly like an MRA might think ‘the voice of reason’ would sound if he were trying to pretend to be a woman.”
Ah, you may be on to something. Like No More Mr. Nice Guy said many pages ago, many many people have theorized that “Emma” is actually Eivind Berge (or maybe a friend of his?) and not a woman at all. The stance that this more “open-minded” (pffffffffffffffbt, whatever) woman is dating this completely wack MRA could be part of the story he’s decided to tell.
On a lighter note, I think I’m going to set up a fake blog to worship Aaron Lewis from STAIND. I mean, sure, Pearl Jam is cool, and Alice in Chains only defined the alt-metal sound from the mid-90s onward, but why bother listening to their material when I can watch an angsty, tattooed bald guy who appreciates reich-wing ideas perform covers of their stuff? Grunge for the right-leaning douchebro college set! It’s a revolution!
http://redmassgroup.com/diary/9462/mass-republican-and-staind-front-man-aaron-lewis-pens-new-tea-party-anthem
@Emma the Emo
I was reading some of Eivind Berge’s blog since I’ve seen his name has been thrown about recently. Seems Norway is as bad if not worse than the US in many respects in it’s treatment of men. I wouldn’t really be bothered by the gang if I were you. Feminism is a hate movement across the board. If you dont walk lock-step with whatever brand rad/left/center/right you’ll be hated.
As much as feminism hates men, it also hates women only slightly less. Motherhood is devalued in feminism. Women trying to act like men and failing miserably at it. Leftist feminist think being a loud-mouthed, combatative drunk whore is acting manly. Although at any time they’ll revert to being a conservative feminist who needs protection from foul language, or punishing a man for her poor choices.
They’ll write and speak in the most vulgar fashion trying to feebly imitate a man, as if that’s what being a man is. Then the next minute they’ll melt like snowflakes when that same language is used on them. They’ll hollaback and cry sexual harrassment as if a mans words slipped up their all too short skirts. Protection and provision at every turn is what they demand. Hate is all they know.
NWO: Either answer my question or admit that your theory was bullshit. It’s not hard.
NWO: I am constantly astounded by your lack of comprehension and ability to pull ‘facts’ from your ass. For fucks sake, man, read a book! One that has more words than pictures!
Also, this? Is fucking hilarious coming from you.
Lauralot: he’s on a ROFL roll tonight, isn’t he? Talking about how WE only know hate. Look in a mirror, NWO.
Emma, trolling for your boyfriend has GOT to be a new low around here, and we’ve had some special trolls before. Hell, their king is trying to give you advice (which I would put no stock in but different strokes).
@zhinxy
… and, zhinxy earns an Identifying The Actual Oppressors merit badge.
Seriously. This.
AlphaAssholeCockCarousel – I’D LOVE TO TAKE CREDIT, BUT I WAS JUST QUOTING ANTI-MORON’S RIGHTS. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY ENDORSE THE AWESOMENESS THOUGH!
“Black is all I feel, so this is how it feels to be free.”
I dunno, maybe you should just try some music, MRAs. I like to lean on music when I’m feeling angry. I like Alice in Chains a lot. Stand-up dudes in every regard. They’ve always made awesome music, and they triumphed through the personal tragedies of losing their first frontman and their original bassist amazingly. Jerry Cantrell is the ultimate example, to me, of a MGTOW and loving every minute of it. He has a sweet ranch in Oklahoma, he dates women as he feels like it, and he refuses to be bound by the obligations of record labels. Lots of great examples for anyone seeking to live life on their terms – male or female.
I would totally throw down with a Men Going Like Jerry Cantrell movement.
@zhinxy
You don’t seem to understand. There’s nothing worth saving. We live in a “culture” you support. Your utopian culture can’t exist without the Corporate/State/MSM/Military complex. Why would I as a straight white man want to save any of it. Let it collapse, good ridance.
YAY! NWO IS HERE AND HE’S ENGAGING US FINALLY! 😀
ENTER AMI ANGELWINGS! >:D
Okay, so what’s the culture we live in that she supports? And don’t just say “FEMINIST CONSPIRACY CULTURE” or w/e cuz your “IT’S BAD” things don’t describe nething xD What’s this culture she supports therefore she can’t destroy? And how is it backed up by that? o:
She’s already described pretty clearly things she wants to change, she’s by far the most radical here, even from you and Meller in that she really doesn’t want a state, and you still want lots of laws and rules to make ppl behave the way you want, and etc… she’s even described how it might work and showed writings to that effect…
so… do you think she’s LYING? o_O She clearly understands the way the world works… so why are you insisting unless you think she’s lying?
or is this a ‘she knows not what she thinks” thing, in which case, please tell us, what’s this “culture” we live in and that she supports? What specifically does she support which insists on this culture and therefore the etcetcetcomplex?
Today marks the day we finally get a straight answer out of NWO and understand how the world works in his eyes! 😀 (he rly has never explained it, he runs and dodges every single time xD but surely he can’t this time right? He’s CALLED OUT ZHINXY which means he has an A to B to C layout of the world that he thinks she doesn’t understand in her Libertarianism. )
😀
“You don’t seem to understand. There’s nothing worth saving. We live in a “culture” you support. Your utopian culture can’t exist without the Corporate/State/MSM/Military complex. Why would I as a straight white man want to save any of it. Let it collapse, good ridance.”
Why would you as a straight white man want to save any of it? Because your pasty ass isn’t going to survive in its absence. You’ll end up shooting yourself in the face trying to protect your property from the mongrel hordes, end up shot in the face by someone you thought you could bully into giving you their property, or end up dying of sepsis after you’ve been shot because you’re too into the idea of being a lone-wolf survivor and there’s nobody around to give you medical treatment. If society collapses, people like you are going to have a lifespan that measures in days since you’ll likely kill a good number of each other off in dumbassed internal power struggles and ill-advised aggression while you try to out-alpha each other. Or you’ll die of easily treated injuries and illnesses because you isolated yourselves or because you drove off people you deemed worthless because of ridiculous criteria. Or you’ll starve to death because you’re too stupid to understand that once your stockpile of MREs is gone they’re gone and nobody wants to trade edible food for inedible gold.
NO NO NO
white straight men would naturally conquer the world (watch,, NWO is gonna point to history) and it’s only this evil feminist state that’s keeping them down!!!! if it weren’t for the evil state conspiracy against him, NWO would own Pepsi and stuff! xD
once the state collapses we’ll live in a pure meritocracy which means white straight cis guys on top b/c the rest of us won’t get a hand out nemore.
Correct NWO? :3
I would ask this question to NWO but he’s alrdy answered it a long time ago.
So I’ll ask everybody else here to answer :3
Does NWO benefit from the state and our current US society (which he lives in)? And if so, what ways?
Cuz he told me before that he gets NOTHING from the state, he benefits ZILCH and only suffers. :3
MertavyaRuka – Yeah, I’m pretty big on statelessness, but most of the LET IT BURN I GOT MINE I DONT NEED YOU types probably won’t make it, not that we wouldn’t try to help. I always picture the sad lonely corpses of “survivalists” out in the woods by anarchist town. It’s a pretty sad picture, but what are ya gonna do?
I have a friend (male, by the way) who moved to the West Coast to live as a radical anarchist (squatter, growing co-operative crops, scavenging, barter economy) because it was aligned with his beliefs and principles. He seems happy, and certainly, freed from the shackles of a corporate job. In the current system, there’s always that option, too.
In the process, he’s cut off contact from his more “capitalist” friends, but honestly, us not speaking to him was a small price to pay. If he’s happy, then good on him.
I would totally throw down with a Men Going Like Jerry Cantrell movement.
Amen. Or Mike Patton. Now there’s a dude who’s totally done whatever he’s wanted, artistically and otherwise. Amazing musician and composer. Cannot stop listening. Will…not…turn…into…Patton…fanboy – er, whoops.
Well, he gets roads, access to medical care (could be a lot better here in the US but still), clean drinking water, firemen, policemen, schools (not that it did much good).