Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
@NWO: I told you that you don’t get to ignore history. Don’t try to deflect me by making up shit I didn’t say. Yes or no.
@captainbathrobe
” Yes, I know. Sharon Osbourne speaks for all women. Who knew they all had such potty mouths?”
That’d be every host of the show and every member of the audience and all those fine comments you read on youtube. Did you forget about them?
Can we make a NWO challenge, in which we see if he can make posts without deflecting and/or without personal attacks?
Phyllis Schlafly and Sharon Osbourne are the same person and she’s the most important person ever in NWOland
She lives in The Ghetto, and 99% of her children are born out of wedlock. And she owns a SUPER DOG.
Lauralot,
I’m still back on how North Korea is all about the womenfolk.
@NWO
The ability tests are different because women and men have different AVERAGE physical abilities. If all women were held to men’s standards, there would be a lot fewer women in the army because on average women have less raw strength, but better endurance and I think average lung capacity as well (I remember reading this but have no citations so am not willing to claim it as fact). Now if you want to hold everyone to the same standard fine. You can maintain the old status quo, but you will then have much fewer women in the army, and you do not get to gloat about men dying for women, or lament that women don’t die for men. (I don’t know the pros and cons to holding everyone to the women’s standards so I’ll leave it to people more knowledgeable than me)
As for women being relegated to desk jobs instead of being on the frontlines, I absolutely agree that those women willing and able should be allowed to join combat. However, the women (and men) doing those desk jobs are actually performing a job for the army, not just eating bon bons, and they deserve to be paid just as much as the men performing desk jobs.
Further, my response to you was specific because your argument was specific. You claimed that ZHINXY was there because of AA, that ZHINXY didn’t earn her position and that ZHINXY did not deserve to be paid the same as her male comrades. I seem to recall that zhinxy was actually in combat, if I’m wrong please correct me. Even if she wasn’t, you have yet to back up your claim that zhinxy did not deserve to be paid the same amount as the men doing who were doing the same job.
That’d be every host of the show and every member of the audience and all those fine comments you read on youtube. Did you forget about them?
How could I possibly forget? You won’t stop writing about it.
But outrageous comments on YouTube? Such a thing has never happened before in the entire history of the internets. Obviously, all feminists, indeed all women, seek to castrate men. How could I not have seen this before?
NWO, I am deeply in you’re debt. Tonight, I shall hide all the knives and sleep wearing a cup for good measure. No feminist is going to catch Captain Bathrobe off his guard!
Lauralot-
I gotta tell ya, I find NWO’s increasingly pathetic attempts to dodge your question, well, not amusing exactly, but the emotion is vaguely similar.
The deadliest Apache pilot I ever knew, as judged by gunnery scores, looked like she was about 16 and had the shit ever hit the fan she would have fought and died with everybody else in the unit.
NWO,
On behalf of this warrior FUCK YOU.
Argh! “Your” not “you’re.”
@captainbathrobe
Might I also suggest a suit of armour in lieu of a bathrobe, these women are EVERYWHERE and you can never be too safe. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!
I still laugh about how Phyllis Schlafly got shafted–after all her hard work, leaving her husband and children to fend for themselves while she travelled around the country telling women to NOT work outside the home but to stay home and care for their husbands and childrens, she did not get the post she wanted to in the RayGun administration: the nuclear energy one.
But you know, despite my intense loathing for what she’s done, it’s interesting to see how much HER work has been ignored in histories of the conservative movement as well!
Here’s a link to her Eagle Forum bio, and a book on her by an academic:
http://www.eagleforum.org/misc/bio.html
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8012.html
You don’t seem to understand. There’s nothing worth saving. We live in a “culture” you support. Your utopian culture can’t exist without the Corporate/State/MSM/Military complex. Why would I as a straight white man want to save any of it. Let it collapse, good ridance.
… YOU don’t want to understand! ROFL NWO – LISTEN -. I’m an anarchist, I want to help it collapse!
WHY DO YOU NOT BELIEVE THIS! XD
MY UTOPIAN CULTURE IS MARKET ANARCHISM. PLEASE LOOK IT UP. It’s about getting RID of the Corporate/STate/MSM/Military complex.
Yet EVERY SINGLE TIME I mention that this should be done, or give ways to do it, you can’t stand it?
SO. WHAT. DO. YOU. WANT?
As for my military service, which was Coast Guard, I am not going to indulge you in that manner. I have many complicated thoughts, a lot of bad and good experiences, and a lot of all sorts of things. It was a very dark and very bright time in my life, and it’s hard to talk about even when people aren’t hateful morons. In all honesty, because of my undiagnosed Autism, I probably wasn’t entirely cut out for the work, nothing to do with gender. But I worked alongside the men. And you aren’t fit to lick most of their boots.
@hotairgenerator
I think your prediction lacks a bit in the BRAINWASHED TRAITOR MANGINAS!11!!eleven department, but aside from that it seems eerily accurate…
@Shadow
I don’t think there is, my good chap! And, alas, while I did salviate at the thought of some delicious crepes for a moment, NWO’s insane ramblings nipped this craving in the bud.
Which means only one thing: NWO is the Anti-Nutella :(!
So, um, am I the only one that’s wondering if Emma is an MRA pretending to be a false flag feminist?
So, of course people learn in different ways, and of course some people learn from discussion.
TOTALLY DIFFERENT from someone commenting on a blog that they completely disagree with in every way, and spouting nonsense ideas that everyone on the blog disagrees with, in an attempt to gain cookies from one’s boyfriend. That’s not learning, that’s trolling. In fact, that’s trolling on behalf of your boyfriend, which makes you even worse than any of our normal trolls. Just ew.
I don’t think Emma’s pretending to be a feminist at all.
She’s definitely an MRA. I don’t think she’s pretended to be a feminist or even a fake feminist, although she is pretending to be jus’ sayin’, which is always annoying.
@Kollege
Dramatic chipmunk!!!!!! HOW HAVE I NEVER SEEN THIS?!! *tears of laughter*
@Tatjna
I don’t think even MRAs are stupid enough to try pretending to be the feminist girlfriend of Birge who completely supports his words. If they are, I weep for humanity.
You knew Starbuck?
also what dracula and bee have said, she’s made no claim to being a feminist
@Tatjna:
Wait, when did she even pretend to be feminist xD?
And I agree with Bee, though to be honest, I do feel kind of sorry for Emma, since she seems to have really low self-esteem.
Molly,
El snort.
I hate to be all “I was once like you,” But Emma, you really do remind me of myself at one point. Or a way I could have gone. Bad and good. I told you, I was there when MRA began, and I was a more conservative and “I’m an individualist feminist, not like those gender feminists” creature at the time, though I never quite sounded like a lot of your more eye-raising statements. But I do know they’re the culture of MRA at the moment, and I know you’re closely, personally involved as well as politically.
So I’m going to ignore the bad for this moment, and I’m going to say that if at any point you want to talk to somebody about getting away or not getting away from any MRA’s, those you know personally or not, and if at any time you want to find someplace (That may even be hostile to much of feminism,) that shares many of your concerns and values without being as extreme or misogynistic as that movement, you can email me. Even years from now. Or just tell me everything’s great. Or never contact me at all.
[email protected]
I do suspect that her “I want to understand where you’re coming from, please educate me?” routine might be a touch disingenuous, though.