Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
@zhinxy
If it’s not about men being evil and women being good, why was your first response to “blame” the men in power while excusing the women in power?
No. Context. I was responding to a comment of yours that soley blamed the women and their desire to see castrated playthings. I didn’t raise the subject and say THE MEN ARE TO BLAME. I said “that had nothing to do with x” – Introducing the idea without making it the sole reason.
Context. It’s a beautiful thing.
zhinxy: Yes, I am acquaiinted with him; and some other odd ducks… look into, ‘Less Wrong’. I’m acquainted with the leader of that group too… makes Patri look reasonable.
It wasn’t paypal money Patri used; it was inherited. He’s always been big in seasteading; he could afford to do nothing else; which most of his stripe of radical can’t. He was able to fund it better by getting Thiel’s help, but even without that, he’d taken control.
Also re: eunuchs, wasnt one of the main reasons eunuchs were used in temples, and women’s palaces and staff, to keep women “pure”?
NWO: This isn’t about genitals. It’s about language.
In Russian, there is gender. All things have it. Some are masculine (like glasses). Some are feminine (like schools). Some, like cars, can be both (the word “automobil” is masculine, the word, “mashina” is feminine, as with “car” and “automobile” they are synonyms, but they have a different gender).
Some, like coffee, or, thanks, or beer, are neuter.
It’s not about having a dick, it’s about language.
Capice?
Probably not.
It wasn’t the women. It was men, who castrated them because it meant they couldn’t have children, and so wouldn’t be trying to overthrow the gov’t.
The lies, they keep on coming.
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Sure, pecunium, blame the men. But we all know the biblical Story of Daniel the Eunuch, and how he was left unscathed in the Lions Den, but as soon as he stepped into the “Room of Bored Concubines”… Well, it didn’t go very well for his nether regions.
GIGGLY WOMEN! MUCH WORSE THAN LIONS!!!
and I have to go. I’ve just been invited to the taping of the Daily Show, and I’ve got to get dressed for the weather, and make my way to the studio, so the odds of any more substance from me, for some little while, is slim.
@NWO, they do. Those 25 are all of the best qualified too!! AA is to correct for stereotype based hiring, not to guarantee less qualified people cushy jobs!
Phew, I finally caught up with the newest threads!
While I think it’s awesome that the comment section is so dynamic, it’s always a bit difficult to get into the discussion (not complaining – I just hope it’s not too annoying if one tries to reply to something that has been said some pages ago :D).
@Pecunium
I’m a bit confused – isn’t that also the case in the English language? The Russian оно and the German es correspond to the English it, from what I’ve been taught.
So, English, too, has three genders!
If I remember correctly, some germanic languages (like Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and Dutch) also have utrum/commune, which stand for both grammatical genders (masculine/feminine) combined (unlike neuter, which a different grammatical gender altogether), so I guess it could also be seen as a third gender.
So yeah, this stuff is a lot more complex than NWO thinks – big surprise here!
Pecunium – awesome! Have the fun!
“Also re: eunuchs, wasnt one of the main reasons eunuchs were used in temples, and women’s palaces and staff, to keep women “pure”?”
*ding ding ding!*
@zhinxy
“You really can’t comprehend men and women working together against oppression, can you?”
What do women know about oppression?
/sarcasm
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/neuter
definition of neuter. There is no complexity to it. You simply try to incorporate a term into feminist ideology to give your hate movement relevance.
A “glass” is neuter, since it has no context towards the 2 genders. You simple try to apply this into a social situation where there is none.
In terms even a feminist can understand. Hogwash.
It wasn’t paypal money Patri used; it was inherited. He’s always been big in seasteading; he could afford to do nothing else; which most of his stripe of radical can’t. He was able to fund it better by getting Thiel’s help, but even without that, he’d taken control.
…
Oh, I know he got a bundle of inhertiance and won a lot at poker, but I still got tickled at Paypal’s involvement. I missed a great story when I stopped paying attention to Seasteading, dangit.
Oh, I know about Less Wrong, My sympathies!
Kollege: English doesn’t have gender the way French, Latin, Czech, Spanish, German, etc. do.
In those languages everything has a gender. Books are feminine in Russian, Tables are feminine in French (and masculine in Russian).
English only assigns gender to living things, not everything. NWO has confused gender with genitals.
@zhinxy
Answer me this? Why did you blame the men in power when I brought up castrated boys in China and excuse the women in power?
@zhinxy
Answer me this? Why did you blame the men in power when I brought up castrated boys in China and excuse the women in power?
I didn’t. In context my comments just don’t mean that. Because they were a reply to you putting the blame on the women, and because they said “had nothing to do with” not “had all to do with”.
You really need to work on your comprehension.
What women in power? Really… what women were in power in China?
Oh, no, I am so not getting into grammatical gender vs. social gender……not with King Troll in the mix.
no way, no how.
*stomps off to work on MLA paper*
@Pecunium
And you apply the usage of the word “gender” to social situations to advance an ideology.
A toy “train” is gendered.
A “doll” is gendered.
It’s simply a weapon used to denote womens eternal victimization and men as oppressors.
We must stuff everyone into a genderless box to escape the oppression of the gendered patriarchy.
Anything “gendered” is bad. Anything “genderless” is good.
Hogwash.
Erm, I mean social constructs of gender applied to humans….or something.
My brain is scrambled. And my glass currently holding coke zero is SO A GIRL, HAH.
Duh, Pecunium, Madame Mao ruled China since ancient times, along with her immortal dragon, all fed by the blood of eunuchs! Also, the concubines whispered in men’s ear to go to war for them to buy perfume and silken foot binding wraps!
– NWO, I want to be a history professor “when I grow up.” Focusing on Europe, not China, but I care about this stuff, and getting the complexity right. Finding people to blame isn’t what History is about, and I really care about History. Passionately. My politics are sure to affect my view, but that’s true of anyone’s. (And contra your pretending thesis, no, my politics are not those of most of the Academy, there aren’t that many libertarians out there teaching, and most of those that are are in economics departments, occasionally philosophy or law. So yeah, diversity of political opinion is a good thing, right?). The point is you try to concern yourself, primarily, with What Happened. And men castrated for giggling concubine succubi to play with is a lurid fantasy.
Mothers having their boys castrated to serve the Emperor, that happened, which is added funny. You don’t even grab on the plausible as the seed for your vision. XD
ithiliana – I think we should maybe start with “what is a tense?” “What is a verb? Is it a describing word, or a “doing”: word?” when it comes to NWO and language…
@zhinxy
“Yeah, that had nothign to do with the elite men and their property. But go on, tell us more about China! (PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!)”
This is your response.
Elite men and their property are to blame. Women are blameless.
NWO: As ithiliana said, grammatical gender vs. social constructs of gender. I like how you can’t comprehend two applications of one word. The English language must be so hard for you.
NWO: And you apply the usage of the word “gender” to social situations to advance an ideology.
Citation needed. You have no idea of my actual “ideology”, because you don’t pay attention. You can’t even separate the technical aspects of language from your ideology (which is, Man good, Woman bad).
Anything you think makes women/feminist look stupid you say; whether it’s true or not.
And I’m gone for the next several hours.