Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
NWO: You’re the one who said that genders are what creates cultures. Explain to me “two-spirits,” then, you liar.
Well, that’s just lovely. A marriage is simply a man employing a woman, people!
Seriously, NWO, how can the prevalence of “men” and “women” as categories be natural and right, but the prevalence of third gender forms be unnatural and wrong? And what the hell does any of that have to do with dildos? And do you even understand that there’s a reason anthropologists say that gender is cultural, even with every culture we’ve discovered recognizing men and women as categories?
@Cassandrasays
YES! And the pigeons name shall be The Spirit of Freedom. Damn fine bird.
The point, NWO, is not “Let’s make sure boys all play with dolls.” It’s “Let’s try to ensure boys aren’t shamed for wanting to play with dolls, because that’s a shitty thing to do to a child.”
Also the whole “genderless box” thing is pretty piss-poor metaphor when the goal is to remove arbitrary behavior restrictions, rather than enforce them.
Hey kids! Abuse is all your fault! Maybe if you’d have thought more positively you wouldn’t have to deal with it!
You are a horrible person and I hope you live with that knowledge for every day of the rest of your life.
Please stick the flounce, NWO.
And that’s such a comfort to the dead.
Emma the Emo troll sure is dull.
Attention everyone! Women have no problems and gilded cages are awesome because Emma said so.
Oooh, oooh, and what about intersex people, NWO? Estimates put the number of intersex people at between 1 and 4% of the general population, but individual populations have much higher instances, much like some populations have higher numbers of twins. There are a couple of cultures where they have a special term for people who begin life as anatomically female but become anatomically male during puberty because it’s just that common. “Just look between your legs” obviously doesn’t work for everyone.
Lauralot, Emma strikes me as someone who’s led a very sheltered life and hasn’t done much learning.
“Hey kids! Abuse is all your fault! Maybe if you’d have thought more positively you wouldn’t have to deal with it!
You are a horrible person and I hope you live with that knowledge for every day of the rest of your life.”
That’s a stupid comment. I never said anything about abuse and I don’t get where you got that from. I even said that unless you don’t have all the necessary legal rights or there are threats or violence being directed your way (meaning abuse!), you should be able to make your own decisions about what kind of life you want to lead. Are you saying that a person with all the necessary legal rights, who is not being subjected to violence or threats, are incapable of making free choices? Then who IS capable of making free choices?
@hellkell
actually, she strikes me as someone who’s been “one of the guys” most of her life in that, a lot of her POV seems to be from men’s perspective and very little in the way of women ‘s experiences. A lot of her points sounds like something guys shooting the shit with each other would say
Compared to yours, it’s Pulitzer material.
I’m glad you live in such a nice, sheltered little world that you’ve never felt pressure to do anything you never wanted to do. I’m glad you’ve never had to work your ass off for a single day in your life and therefore the thought of doing so is absolute hell to you.
But whatever perfect world you’re living on, it isn’t this one.
“Lauralot, Emma strikes me as someone who’s led a very sheltered life and hasn’t done much learning.”
Got any reading material I can learn from, then?
Emma, it’s really not that simple. Society works on us all in complex ways that go well beyond simple peer pressure. No one makes choices in a bubble; we are all constrained by culture. Tossing all that aside and saying that women don’t face pressure to be homemakers, even if they work, and that only weak people find themselves living in a way that they don’t want to is rather unsympathetic and quite frankly hypocritical, even if you don’t realize it. You, too, listen to what society and other people in your life say, even if you think you’re somehow above that.
Emma’s blog has a post titled “How to Tone Down Your Hypergamy… any ideas?” Here are some quotes:
“A woman’s hypergamy tends to be viewed as a bad trait, and I can understand why some women would want to tone it down in themselves. It’s easier to find someone to be happy with if your standards are not too high.”
and
“Look at yourself in the mirror, think of how your male equal would be like, and think really hard if you deserve a high status man. If not, then realize that wanting someone better than you is arrogant and entitled, and at the same time selfish, as you think it’s ok that this high status person should be stuck with someone lowly like you.”
Well, fuck.
And thus any credibility she may have had is gone. What a surprise.
Yay! I think we finally found MRAL a girlfriend.
“I’m glad you live in such a nice, sheltered little world that you’ve never felt pressure to do anything you never wanted to do. I’m glad you’ve never had to work your ass off for a single day in your life and therefore the thought of doing so is absolute hell to you.
But whatever perfect world you’re living on, it isn’t this one.”
That’s not true. There is a lot of stuff I felt pressured to do, and my life hasn’t been perfect, with no unpleasantness. I just either chose to do those things or I don’t. It’s also not “hell to me” to work my ass off. I like work, it’s my favorite. But judging from the way you describe things, you had to deal with something terrible. And since I’m so bad at understanding the female perspective, I welcome any explanations on what exactly it is that I don’t understand, and how pressure to do something makes your choice unfree. I will listen.
Also, I will admit that there are SOME people who have been subjected to emotional terror and abuse since childhood, who as a result lost some of their ability to decide for themselves. They can usually say no to things they really hate, but they are bad at saying no to favors asked from them. I haven’t met tons of these, though.
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That post needs a visit from the freedom pigeon …
I’m not your teacher. If you want to learn, how about you do it yourself, though I recommend you start with “why it isn’t arrogant to think a person more attractive than yourself might want to.,”
On her blog Emma sympathized with some of the commenters on Roissy’s blog, has a post on how women can tone down hypergamy and thinks women want to be men….so yeah. Oh and she believes in the law of attraction (alphalady?)
Why are you here Emma? I do not get the trolls that come here and on other feminists websites. We are NOT going to see eye to eye. I don’t troll MRA/PUA websites telling them why they’re wrong and idiots. They’ll tear you apart with some of the most degrading insults out there (at least people here try to engage in proper debate first) Just go away already.
And just a note on this women wanting to be men garbage. Women realized that masculine traits were the key to economic and social freedom, and that they are considered more important. We had no choice but to adapt to them if we didn’t want to rely on husbands the way children rely on parents for food, shelter and an allowance. It may not be slavery but it is degrading none the less. Do employees sleep with their boss for their paycheck? no. Do children sleep with their children for shelter? fuck no. Do wives sleep with their husbands for some money AND shelter? yes. It’s DEGRADING.
This inspired me to Google “Bruce Springsteen getting punched” and I found this.