Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
I don’t give a shit what kids play with. It can be whatever they/their parents damn-well want, as long as it isn’t dangerous for them.
Cupcake? Princess Bon Bon? Special Snowflake?
I beg your pardon! Quackers, I am a special snowflake and deserve to be treated as such by all the men in my life! There is nothing comical about my or Cupcake or Princess Bon Bon’s names in the least! I beseech you to join our cause (the elimination of all men) perhaps as Queen or maybe Quarrelsome Shrike.
Also, prior to the 1920s, pink was the boy’s colour and blue was the girl’s colour.
And this gendered crap is arbitrary.
If virtually every culture everywhere, through all of history has been socially gendered. That means social society didn’t create the gendered aspects, the gender aspects created the social societies.
Mr Slave I’m pretty sure the idea is not to force any kid to play with anything. The opposite, in fact.
“social society”…. huh?
. A BOY DOESN’T HAVE TO LEARN THE SAME AS OTHER BOYS. A GIRL DOESN’T HAVE TO LEARN THE SAME AS OTHER GIRLS. A GENDERQUEER KID DOESN’T HAVE TO LEARN THE SAME AS ANOTHER GENDERQUEER KID.
Girl wants dolls and wants to be a homemaker and tailors her individual plan to that goal? AWESOME! Girl hates dolls and wants to be an evil feminist math teacher, AWESOME! Boy likes dolls and wants to be a homemaker for another boy, AWESOME! Boy hates dolls, likes toy guns and trucks and wants to be a construction working gunsmith red blooded heterosexual trucker? AWESOME!
Cause it’s about individuals, and what they think is best for themselves, and how they learn!
yey!
“Jesus Christ, what kind of planet do you think I live on?”
A very scary sci-fi dystopia in which feminists stalk the land punching innocent Springsteen-like men in the face and then stealing their wallets for no apparent reason, and any child who behaves in a gender-stereotypical way is immediately shot.
Liar.
I could expand on that with personal anecdotes, but I don’t need to. Because you’re a proven and repeated liar, and everyone knows it.
“Jesus Christ, what kind of planet do you think I live on?”
CassandraSays – “A very scary sci-fi dystopia in which feminists stalk the land punching innocent Springsteen-like men in the face and then stealing their wallets for no apparent reason, and any child who behaves in a gender-stereotypical way is immediately shot.”
NOT JUST WITH BULLETS. WITH ELECTRIC JELLYFISH TALON BULLETS. THAT STING YOU TO DEATH. WITH FEMINIST VENOM!
In today’s edition of MRA Word Salad…
“If virtually every culture everywhere, through all of history has been socially gendered. That means social society didn’t create the gendered aspects, the gender aspects created the social societies.”
In the societies that are social, gender is social, because of the social societies.
So you’re willing to accept zie as a pronoun, right? Because not all cultures had only two gendered aspects, and that means that another gender must have created those societies.
@zhinxy
Genderqueer? Yes lets teach them all about genderqueers. Better yet, let’s not. Sometimes kids don’t know what’s best for them. Shocking I know. Let’s teach them all about it as young as we can. That’ll be a huge help for society. Look how well it’s working out already. Are you a boy or a girl? What’s a good age to let them choose? 2? 3? When do we introduce dildo’s into our little social experiment? 4 or 5?
Amused,
“Actually, it IS bad arrangement,”
..depends on the person who decides to make that choice. In this arrangement, you lose some employability but gain the benifits of marriage, like the ability to inherit your husband’s stuff (that is what he loses..). The right to alimony in case there is a divorce. The arrangement has obligations for both parties. I know some women who agree with me and would take this arrangement.
“You are saying it’s not fair to make the husband pay alimony to a former housewife, but it’s fair to make the taxpayers pay it?”
True, there is nothing fair about taxes at all. Or any type of welfare. It’s just that without it, a lot of people would starve to death. I’m really against excessive welfare, and don’t really think it’s fair to make people pay for other people, but it’s not too bad (might even be necessary for pacifying angry people who get absolutely nothing) when it’s used ONLY to help people with the basics for survival, and helping them get back on their feet and get a job. As for making the husband pay a former housewife who decides to quit the marriage, it’s like paying a former employee wages after they quit the job. The husband already paid for everything he received, so he shouldn’t be obligated to pay more. So I’m just choosing what I see as the lesser or two evils… Which is distributing the economic help onto everyone, rather than putting it all onto the husband. It’s unfair both ways! The only REALLY fair way to solve this would be to let her find a job on her own and not give her any money (alimony OR welfare). Got a better idea?
“You also ignore the fact that a woman staying at home may be a mutual decision or primarily the husband’s decision, made for his convenience. I am sorry, but in a society that still shames women as “selfish” if they don’t eagerly jump to flush their aspirations, dreams and decades of hard work down the toilet in order to make steak, do laundry, and keep the children from being a nuisance to their father, it is quite unfair to characterize a woman’s sacrifice for her family, that will screw her over 30 years hence, as a choice she “freely made”, because, duh, equal rights; that because women have equal legal rights, it is her decision to be a homemaker even when it isn’t.”
In which country is it like that? I was mainly talking about places where you have legal rights to make free choices and there is nothing like violence and real threats that is stopping you from making free decisions. Like in USA, I’m pretty sure you can make that type of decision freely. If you happen to be so weak you can’t decide for yourself, but let social shame and your boyfriend decide things for you, then I’m sorry, but you only have yourself to blame. Society is not there to protect you from yourself.
I’m sorry about your granma, but I said “women tend to be more protected”, meaning it’s a generalization. Most countries still only draft the men for military. Most people dying in wars are still men, which was illustrated vividly in post-war Russia, where shortage of men made women rather desperate. Titanic is another example that women are more protected. I didn’t say women never die in wars or accidents, but it happens less often than to men.
“And as it is unthinkable to deny pain relief to a patient in any other situation, this has everything to do with child birth being an exclusively female “problem” and the popular perception that women must be taught a lesson in responsibility by making the experience as painful and degrading as possible.”
Hmm.. where have you heard that? That doctors are refusing pain relievers because they want to torture the mother? For a popular perception, it seems to be pretty hidden.
“protection that boils down to treating a woman as a child or a mentally handicapped person, safeguarding her from the awful danger of making her own decisions in life.”
Unless I misunderstood you, that clashes with what you just said about women’s choices to be housewives not being free choices. But yes, I totally agree with you here, women should be treated as adults responsible for their own decisions. It doesn’t mean women aren’t protected under patriarchy. Some (in fact, many) people would rather be at home and spend time with their kids rather than work their asses off or get their legs blown off in a war. Women are kept safer.
And yes, I guess no one is formally a slave under patriarchy, but everyone has obligations (men too), and often have to do stuff they don’t want to do. Both sexes have to do things that can be dehumanizing. I believe suffering of both matters and should be minimized.
Good question. Why is playing with dolls or other girly toys frowned upon? why is it such an insult for a boy to be called a girl or being compared to anything feminine is regarded as negative? lets push this further…why are most female dominated industries paid less than men’s? why was the labour women did in the home never worth enough to be paid for? why is “woman’s work” practically an insult?
Maybe we’re just trying to change this mindset and teach kids that male and female interests/work/toys are both of equal value and it doesn’t matter who does them.
But NWO, many societies had third genders. Since so many did, surely that means that alternative gender formations are natural and created the society, not that society created them, right?
Psst, nobody tell NWOslave about Two-Spirit people in various First Nations cultures.
Actually I think I will now start organizing a seasteading movement that will do nothing but buzz by paypals amazing floating galts gulch for they lulz…
Or the Hijra, or Fa’afafine, or muxe.
Not every state offers alimony. Mine doesn’t. One of the many reasons my mother is still married to a horrible, abusive asshole.
I can’t address the rest of your post, because your brand of bullshit would provoke me to say things that probably wouldn’t end well.
Hahaha Ami…that fake feminist site you linked was hilarious xD they aren’t even TRYING. Cupcake? Princess Bon Bon? Special Snowflake? anyone who’s spent an hour at most on MRA sites knows those are their usual insults towards women. And of course pretending women are all collectively pissed because men wont pay for our shit…yea right. I seriously cannot believe how out of touch some people are.
How dare you insult our humble little site. Perhaps the fellowship of womanhood did not last but we all are still here!!! You rubber ducky are the one out of touch with reality!
But prehaps we can join in cause, we both agree women are opressed. I will make this one time offer and extend my hand to you little ducky!
@ zhinxy – Can we train a pigeon to poop right on Elon’s head? That would amuse me.
@Lauralot
There’s only 2 genders. Ya can’t just make up new ones on a whim. Boy/girl. Man/woman. Male/female. It’s one of the great non-mysteries of the ages. Next time you hop in the shower look between your legs, depending on what you see, you’ll know. If you’re not savvy enough to figure it out from there, consult a book.
I’m outta here.
Yes, yes, nwo, because anybody and anything that doesn’t fit your norms is sexual, just like teaching kids about dildos …yawn
Welfare should only provide for the absolute basics? People might be angry otherwise? Taxes are unfair?
“If they’re going to die, they should do it and decrease the surplus population.”