Over on the always repugnant In Mala Fide, a guest blogger by the name of What is To Be Done recently offered his comrades in the “anti-establishment / man/ biorealist / HBD/ reactionary / racist / patriarch / tradcon / whatever blogosphere” what he evidently sees as a revolutionary suggestion: instead of trying to fight the evil feminists with “well-reasoned arguments,” why not simply set up fake feminist blogs, and post shit on them to make feminists looks bad?
WITBD explained:
On the Internet, nobody knows you’re a saboteur. We are naturally smarter than the feminists (in fact, objectively better in every conceivable way), and in addition, we are well-trained in deception by our studies of game. In other words, it’ll be a piece of cake for us to mimic their arguments and appear to them as really smart girls who really know their shit.
Really? Because no one I’ve ever run across in the manosphere has managed to pull off a particularly convincing impersonation of a really smart anything. And in order to effectively parody something, you have to actually understand it first. Given some of the truly odd things MRAs and manospherians believe about feminism and feminists – see my post on Operation Alimony yesterday for one recent example — I’m somehow thinking that the only people dumb enough to be fooled by these “false-flag-feminist” blogs will be other, yep, MRAs and manosphereians.
Nonetheless, WITBD claimed that’s he’s already started putting his little plan into action:
I have already begun false flag blogging myself. At this stage, giving the link would ruin the whole thing. But it’s out there. And “false flag blogging” returned only 87 results, of which only a few actually seemed to discuss what I’m talking about, so for the time being it seems nobody is watching out for it. Not that they’d be able to tell anyway.
His fantasies got more and more extravagant:
Think long term. The endgame is to build a big enough presence that coming out as a fake feminist generates buzz in and of itself. Imagine if it came out that the founder of Feministing was actually a men’s rights activist.
And that he could fly, and shoot lasers from his eyes! Imagination is fun!
(Note: The founder of Feministing is not actually an MRA, or a man. Nor can she fly or shoot lasers from her eyes.)
WITBD continued fantasizing:
Eventually, our false flag bloggers will coordinate with our legitimate bloggers and have “debates” where both sides are controlled by us.
And where the only people paying attention are you guys.
If you feel you are getting really good at this, attack some prominent feminists for not being feminist enough. I don’t even know what that would mean, but, hey, this is feminism. Nonsense is our bread and butter.
Wheels within wheels!
Some on In Mala Fide thought this was a dandy idea. Frost wrote:
Fuck yeah. Awesome post. …
[W]e need to get bold and creative with how we fight the war for the best minds in the western world. False flag blogging is a wide-open front. Especially if you’re new to writing and aren’t yet confident in your voice – and unless you have written many thousands of words already, the truth is your writing is probably going to suck – a false-flag blog would be a great way to hone your skills while only having to actually write at the level of typical mid-twenties gender studies grad student.
Here’s a post of mine that sadly didn’t get a lot of attention, but it’s one of my own personal favourites:
http://www.freedomtwentyfive.com/2011/08/an-open-letter-to-the-manginas-of-the-internet/
I submitted it to The Good Men project, Manboobz, and a few other Mangina sites as a guest post, but sadly no one bit. These people are just so easy to parody, it’s ridiculous.
Regular Man Boobz readers may have a rather different assessment of how effective his parody was.
Others on In Mala Fide were a bit more skeptical of the “false-flag” idea. As out-and-proud racist thwak put it:
It sounds like a good idea, but it won’t work. Its been tried by white people on counter racism forums and they always got busted. We used to call it the “nigger impersonation syndrome”.
A white person would sign up with a name like “Jamal” and speak ebonics… but they always got busted cause at some point they hafta come out of “nigger cloak” to practice racism; i.e, say and/or do something a black person would not say/do.
Sure, they have the option of coming on the discussion board and pretending to be a full time nigger, but how does that advance the racist agenda? …
The “black White Supremacist” stuck out like a nun in a whore house everytime.
And got busted everytime.
Gosh, it’s almost as if black people are actual human beings and not just racist caricatures. And that real black people can somehow magically spot the difference between other real black people and racist assholes posting in “ebonics.”
Huh. Could the same happen with feminists?
In a followup post, WITBD dismissed the critics as uncreative cowards. And it turns out that fake blogs are only the starting point in his grand plan.
The fact is we are not the alt-right. We are the new left. We are the oppressed proles … They are the establishment. We lost “our” country. They control it all now. We have blogs. And a handful of churches and seasteading. Sucks.
Now it’s time to move on. We have to take these pieces of shit down and that means we must use leftist tactics. This kind of blogging operation is the beginning of a long march to infiltrate and undermine their institutions.
Sounds like someone has been reading Mao’s Little Red Book!
Playing around? Real men fight to win, period. We fight feminism specifically because it’s the weak point of liberalism. Read your Sun Tzu. Attacking the entire rainbow coalition at once is madness. You always attack the enemy where he is weakest.
And the weakest links are the ladies, naturally.
[N]ot all women actually benefit from feminism. They may think they win at first, but we know full well that feminist sex and the city-type women lose big time: no kids, no committed alpha, no nothing. Most women don’t benefit, and many women are recognizing this.
Right now among women, feminism is high status and actually being feminine is low status. But all women instinctively want to actually be feminine, and they have better life results when they do. We all know about how to manipulate women’s idea of status. This should be easy to work out.
If we take out or marginally disrupt feminism, and pull lots of white women out of the coalition, it crumbles in short order.
Oh no! Not the white women! Don’t take the white women!
High-IQ thundercunts are major war engines of the regime, and especially the childless ones. They actually run the agencies, corporations, HR departments, universities, etc. Without them, the enemy has a harder time operating. As well, white women are blatantly used as bait to recruit minority men into liberal groups.
Anti-feminism is something that we know well … and it is something that the other elements of the liberal coalition actually somewhat agree with us on because its not like the blacks, Mexicans, Arabs etc. are keen on empowering their women. All men of all races have common ground in dealing with the unique female brand of bullshit and thus are potential sympathizers on this issue.
So this is his grand plan: for racist white dudes like him (and much of In Mala Fide’s readership) to build a sort of antifeminist rainbow coalition with “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc” … in order to take down feminism … in order to weaken liberalism … in order to screw over the “blacks, Mexicans, Arabs, etc.”
Yeah, that’s totally gonna work.
If feminists are so unnatural, isn’t this rather an odd place to look for nature?
@zhinxy
‘If somebody endows in their will to educate ONLY lazy redheads who don’t show much interest, that’s not wrong, is it?’
Not, not inherently wrong. If the government says that anyone who chooses to educate people on a different measurement, such as academic achievement, qualification or any other, will be legally penalised, refused federal funding and etc… then there comes the inherent wrong and evil.
I am not against the individual choices people make that you outline for educating lazy red heads, or the sometime nepotistic nature of some universities that ithiliana outlines as I believe these would be solved in the free market. As for deciding ‘how do we judge who will do “best in life” and/or a university? (Often. Very. Different. Things, no?) There’s really not a concrete way to tell. ‘
‘‘Ideally, colleges should be free to set policies as they see fit, and be rewarded or punished in a marketplace that takes into account a wide variety of factors, from prestige to quality of campus life to actual transmission of knowledge and skills. Concerns about taxpayer support being distributed through a process that considers attributes like race and sex (rather than affording true equal treatment) seems a good reason to get government out of the business of funding colleges, rather than limit how colleges make their selections.’’
@Amused: Thank you for that post. I hate the “patriarchy protects women, feminism forces them into things they don’t want” bullshit, and you expressed exactly why it’s bullshit much more eloquently than I ever could have.
“I hate “heterosexual poisoned mindset of the hypocrites,” that stuff is terrible! It’s a kind of snack food, yes?”
Also a really crappy bootleg collection of live Fiona Apple gigs, I think….
Hahaha Ami…that fake feminist site you linked was hilarious xD they aren’t even TRYING. Cupcake? Princess Bon Bon? Special Snowflake? anyone who’s spent an hour at most on MRA sites knows those are their usual insults towards women. And of course pretending women are all collectively pissed because men wont pay for our shit…yea right. I seriously cannot believe how out of touch some people are.
You are truly living the dream! you sound a lot like me too although I haven’t had the opportunity to travel the world. One day though! I never want to marry or have kids either, and I also like pretty jewellery and hello kitty stuff that I ACTUALLY PAY FOR MYSELF! can you believe it? xD
Ullere: What I am talking about is the fact that until quite recently in this country (US), white men of middle class and above had effective affirmative action because white women and people of color were denied access to education, access to whole classes of jobs, and all sorts of access (like, for example, JURY DUTY).That was historical affirmative action: the only reason white men “excelled” is they artifically cancelled out all competition from the rest of the population (and that often included working class and poor white men).
I don’t know what you’re talking about–I was more or less responding to MRAL’s “white men are denied jobs because we have to give them to unqualified black/women/etc.” which has been proven to be a lie promoted by a lot of HR and corporate types.I wasn’t responding to you because I don’t read your posts–you’re boring, a troll, and have simply slipped into the background noise as far as I’m concerned.
Yes, Ideally in a free market we would have all sorts of really fucking awesome things and achieve true equality and liberation and a thousand flowers will bloom and we’ll fly to the moon and play among the stars and see what life is like on Jupiter and Mars, and I’m the first to say so. But being that WE AREN’T THERE YET, please read the article I linked above.
No shit we need government out of the “funding” everything business, (The government funds nothing, we do, currently without reall consent, and we will continue to do so VOLUNTARILY in a free market system) but while it’s there, there’s no reason universities shouldn’t act as privately as possible. Again, where’s the evil? You were pretty adamant about it when you started, now you’re backtrackin all over the place.
“I don’t know what you’re talking about–I was more or less responding to MRAL’s “white men are denied jobs because we have to give them to unqualified black/women/etc.” which has been proven to be a lie promoted by a lot of HR and corporate types.I wasn’t responding to you because I don’t read your posts–you’re boring, a troll, and have simply slipped into the background noise as far as I’m concerned.”
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And yeah, that. Ithiliana is wiser than I in this matter and I will try to follow her example. Try to add in some dolphin sounds to your static, if you can? Those are nice.
New York Times op ed on legacies and how discriminatory they are in practice (yet amazingly enough you don’t hear the white whingers about “women and minorities” benefitting from affirmative action complaining about the legacies (I wonder if anybody has done any scholarship on gender breakdown among legacy enrollments).
@Sniper
There’s difference between civilian deaths and military deaths. Civilians deaths are unintended. Military deaths are men either forced to kill and die, or do so to protect the civilians, (women and children).
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@ithiliana
You’re myth about affirmative action is just that, a myth. The article you gave still gives us the 76 cent on a dollar myth that’s been debunked as choices women make and hours they work. Guess what? I had the most hours worked last year out of the roadcrew, we all earn around the same wage and I made the most money. None of my co-workers screamed oppression.
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@Ullere
The article you gave was from 2 women yammering total bullshit. They backed up their assertation of… “It’s an open secret, they explain, that a growing number of colleges are holding male and female applicants to different standards to inflate the number of male students.”
If it’s an open secret surely there must be some data other than words falling from their yaps? I mean something? Anything? One single number? No?
Oh wait! Two women said it so it must be true! Would you accept an article I gave with nothing but the word of 2 MRAs as proof? Yet these are lefty women so it’s gospel?
The article goes on to state… “Just how prevalent is the practice? It’s tough to say, since, as Heriot and Somin describe, an effort by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights to study the situation was recently terminated.”
The reason why the “study” was terminated is because men are never given preferential treatment. What a waste of money that little study must’ve been. I know you wanna play the women are better in every way card but even the State couldn’t fudge those numbers without being laughed at. Try to remain slightly credible. Patience. The Government is doing all it can to make schools a cauldron of male hatred. They place stumbling blocks in front of boys/men every chance they get. Give it time.
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Here’s an article on ms blog about boys/girls education
http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2011/12/15/is-there-a-girl-brain/
The scientific studies, and every school that has adopted diffent techniques for educating boys have been hugely successful. Yet ms blog will quote a study… ” from 66 to 48 percent. In those same years, the percentage of girls who say they would prefer not to study math any more goes from 9 percent to a whopping 50 percent”
And if this is the case of women losing interest it’s a national disaster. They need to be encouraged to love those subjects more. Yet heaven forbid we teach boys in a way they’ll achieve anything. Encourage boys? Fuck them. That’s the attitude.
What the fuck. How about if we wait until boy’s get 1 single pubic hair before we start treating them like shit? Give them 11 or 12 years of their lives unhated. Stop the fucking hatred already.
aww…Grinner is trying out his “pretend to be a feminist and trick the real feminists into a gotcha” stick.
For the record I think domestic violence and rape awareness ads could do a better job spreading awareness without blaming all men. To put it bluntly, they make me feel uncomfortable too.
Now run along back to whatever MRA shit hole you came from Grinner. You aren’t fooling anyone
@NWO
Fight the power!!!!!!!
@Quackers or David
Is there some history with that campaign? I didn’t find it all that awesome, but it doesn’t seem particularly egregious or offensive.
The scientific studies, and every school that has adopted diffent techniques for educating boys have been hugely successful. –
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Not as successful as letting kids direct their own learning, with respect to themselves as individuals, but god forbid we try something crazy like THAT! Nope, developing a boy regimen will totally be non-hateful.
Also, you do know that there are links in that article to actual non-ms.-magazine studies that say that they HAVEN’T been particularly successful?
How boys should learn is the same as how girls should learn. Open source, self-directed, and with minimum intervention. Real public schooling – Access to the public good of knowledge.
Hateful enough?
@Sniper
There’s difference between civilian deaths and military deaths. Civilians deaths are unintended. Military deaths are men either forced to kill and die, or do so to protect the civilians, (women and children).
I’m sure that makes a huge difference to the dead.
NWO, did you even read the article you linked to?
I know the answer, I just wanna hear you say it.
hellkell, how dare you insinuate he doesn’t read everythign he posts here! It’s not like he has a habit of linking to things that don’t really say what he says they say, is it?
@ithiliana
Excellent, so the ultra rich, (women included) plus ordinary women and minorities get preferential treatment. Who does that leave out? Oh yea, virtually every single white man who isn’t elite. Pretty much all of white men. Oh how my low class white man heart bleeds.
BORN IN THE NWO, I WAS BORN IN THE NWO…
@NWO
This article is about speaking against segregation in the classroom. When has segregation ever helped anyone? Oh but I forgot, you are an MGTOW/MRA right? so you want segregation from women and girls….seeing as how they’re always tempting you with their cleavage and ankles!
Yes lets teach boys and girls they are nothing but their sex! in fact lets teach black people they are nothing but their race! or disabled people they are nothing but their disability!
This is so fucked up. Once again NWO misses the bigger picture.
Classrooms imo should have a combination of hands on lessons as well as lessons that require you to sit down quietly and read/write/do math. Maybe they do but I don’t remember much of my grade school years.
Hoo boy, this is the funniest MRA MASTERPLAN I’ve heard of in a while. Can’t wait to see their trollin’ attempts fall flat.
Flaming bigots like WHAT IS TO BE DONE and the N-word Bomber get run out of reddit and accused of being “feminist trolls trying to make MRA look bad.” Sometimes in the same thread where they link to a sleazy site like Inmalafide. Probably where they go the idea.
Zhinxy, I just feel bad for him. He keeps doing it and being proved wrong time and again! XD
@zhinxy
Quite hateful. You want to keep the system running the way it is. You’re such a radical. Boys and girls are the same and should learn the same? That’s just what ms mag said. Newsflash, boys and girls are different. But keep up the hate, it always returns with equal ferocity.
@Quackers
Let girls write about what they want, read what they want, learn the way they want and be taught the way that’s best for them. Let boys do the same. Is that too much to ask?
@zhinxy
Quite hateful. You want to keep the system running the way it is. You’re such a radical. Boys and girls are the same and should learn the same? That’s just what ms mag said. Newsflash, boys and girls are different. But keep up the hate, it always returns with equal ferocity.
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Err… I want the complete end of government funded factory model compulsory schooling, and a shift to COMPLETELY INDIVIDUALIZED LEARNING? If that’s the same, well… Um, god bless the status quo? I’m happy I finally arrived in the happy libertarian parallel unschoolin’ universe! Yippee!
@ NWO I linked that article just as a comment on affirmative action, for me to point out only the affirmative action that benefits women would be a pretty narrow focus when I disagree with all affirmative action for any group, whether based on sex, ethnicity, or religion. It was not to provide raw data which as far as I know doesn’t exist. Why the study was cancelled is unknown.