Uh oh! I just discovered this, currently the top story over on the Men’s Rights subreddit:
Yes, my sisters (and honorary mangina man-sisters), Russell Brand has dealt a severe blow to Operation Alimony, which (as you well know, at least if you’ve been attending the meetings) is our dastardly Feminazi plot to destroy the patriarchy by getting pretty ladies to marry and divorce rich dudes and take all their money.
You may remember our wild revelry when we heard that comrade-ess Heather Mills had walked off (no jokes please) with £24.3 million of Paul McCartney’s man money. And the joyful tears we shed when we heard that Mel Gibson’s ex-wife had (reportedly) scored a cool $425 million in her divorce settlement.
But today, we shed only the bitterest of tears. We have not only been thwarted, but we’ve also been exposed! Damn those Men’s Rights Redditors and their evil allies at the Daily Mail!
The comments in the r/mensrights thread show that they understand our evil plans all too well. How can we respond to Aetheralloy’s withering critique?
Feminists see the absurdity of their own pushed polices?
LOL no. No they won’t. I’d sooner expect scientologists to ask their psychiatrist if they are in a cult.
But ladies! Do not despair! Russell Brand may have set back our efforts, but he, and his Reddit allies, shall not defeat us!
Ladies, you know what to do. Get yourself all prettied up, hit the town, and snag yourself some rich dudes! Let’s see how many of these guys we can have married off by the end of the year.
Marrying (and divorcing) rich dudes: it’s the feminist way!
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It’s not just “elitist bitch,” MRAL. When you’re angry you’re quick to generalize and tar all women with the same brush, as well as to insist that your viewpoint is the only correct one.
Really, I’m not trying to pick on you. I’m just trying to point out why this isn’t a productive way to post.
I’m sorry if I offended people.
Thanks for saying this. I can see how Cassandra talking about her hot exes could bother you, but you just have to remember that different people have different preferences. For all you know she dated Quasimodo because he’s totally her type. (And anyway you can always just say that everyone talking about their hot exes/SOs makes you feel belittled and people would probably try to accommodate that.)
Yeah, man, it would totally improve the self-esteem of the men I dated in the past if I hadn’t found them all that attractive. In fact, from now on I shall refrain from praising the looks of any men who I know. I mean, that might be bad for their self esteem, but if it protects the self esteem of one pissed off young man then it’s worthwhile, right?
(It’s the self-centredness that irritates me in MRAL’s case. Everything is all about him when it comes to dating. Who gives a shit what makes other people happy?)
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But Mr. Al, please tell us that you know why people are offended by your presence. It’s not like commenters are going, “Oh, Mr. Al … he says he’s only a 2 or 3 on the numerical scale of handsomeness! Gross, please leave!” No one’s offended by your different points of view (exactly) or your lack of experience in dating or your views on attractive women. What is offensive is that (once again) you have a single experience with a woman which is less than a success. You jump to conclusions about why that was, and then you extrapolate from that that all women are entitled bitches. Commenters fall all over themselves to explain that the lesson you learned from that experience is wrong, that different people are different, that dating is confusing and difficult, etc., and you accuse them of being elitist (if not exactly bitches), and of wanting less desirable men to go to hell, etc. You ignore people who share experiences that don’t bolster your worldview, and obsess over commenters whose experiences make them seem like the typical hypergamous women you’ve been told all women are (even if they have 20 years more dating experience than you and are someone you wouldn’t date regardless).
For the record, I’m not offended, but I do find it all pretty tiresome. I congratulate you on making progress — having a long conversation with a woman you don’t know is pretty nice — and I hope you continue and find more success as you do so. But please, drop the “all women are entitled bitches” crap. Dating is hard, not dating is hard, etc. We know this. But it’s really fucking hard when you hate the people you’re attracted to.
Oh, c’mon. You’re doing better. Don’t retreat into delusion.
This isn’t about you posting in haste. And no one cares if you think Katy Perry and Russell Brand are hot or not. This is about you coming in to the thread to take out your frustration about New Year’s Eve on the posters here. You’ve called women “elitist bitches”, snapped at people who don’t think Perry is as hot as you do, and tried to make childish generalizations about “sneering at men” and a bunch of other foolishness.
You’re upset. Okay. Process being upset. We know it’s a big deal for you to talk to a girl at a party. And everyone here understands being disappointed, frustrated, lonely, etc. But don’t apply a salve of bullshit to the hurt; it’s certain to cause infection.
Chill with the hyperbole for a minute. You don’t know if that girl at the party knew that guy already. You don’t know if they had sex that night. Not everyone finds the same celebrities as objectively attractive as you do. And if you keep fixating on the idea that the only way you can have a satisfying relationship with a woman is if you meet some objective standard of attractiveness, you’re going end up hopelessly frustrated and as bitter as Meller.
You’ve got a high IQ? Use it.
Also, being slightly more patient for a moment – the problem with responding to women saying “I don’t find X hot, not my type, don’t want sex with him” with rants about how they’re sneering at men who aren’t their type, etc, is that you’re basically implying that if a woman doesn’t have sex with any given man she’s treating him with contempt. That’s really, really fucked up.
It’s also a loathsome sentiment in the sense of, what about friendship? If I have male friends who I love dearly who I don’t want sex with, am I sneering at them? Does our friendship mean nothing if it never leads to sex?
That is a horrible, messed up way to look at relationships between men and women, MRAL.
I just remember someone, I think Cassandra, listing their exes and going on about how “gorgeous” they all were, and that bothered me, but I suppose that’s my own problem and not anyone else’s.
I’m glad you recognize that this is your issue, but even beyond that, it’s worth noting that most people generally find the people they date attractive. That doesn’t mean you would find the people they date attractive, because, again, there is no universal standard of attractiveness. One of my best friends routinely describes her partners as “incredibly hot” or “so sexy I could die” – and when I look at the exact same guys, I typically see “goofy-looking beanpoles.” She, conversely, has questioned how on earth I could be attracted to virtually every man I’ve ever dated or crushed on, because in her eyes, the same guys I find dreamy are completely unattractive (seeing as they’re not goofy-looking beanpoles 😛 ). If she described her exes, she’d certainly call them gorgeous – but that doesn’t make “goofy-looking beanpole” some universal and objective standard of male beauty, or mean that her personal taste for goofy-looking beanpoles is a judgment on all non-goofy-beanpole men.
(She’s so going to kill me if I show her this post, which means I probably should immediately. Mwahahahaha.)
MRAL, that was not the first time you’ve called women bitches. Like I said, think before you post, and think about why people are offended.
Hey, Lauralot is cute! Love the Superwoman getup, too.
If I say I think Lauralot is pretty does that make me an elitist bitch too, or is it only men we’re not allowed note the appearance of?
(That’s the other thing about MRAL’s rants that grates, the blatant hypocrisy.)
Thanks!
Or, to make that clearer – I’m bi. I would be more likely to date someone who looks like Lauralot than the average woman on the street (if she was older and interested in that kind of thing – we’re talking pure hypotheticals here, so don’t worry Lauralot, I’m not hitting on you). Is that OK since she’s we’re both women? Because in terms of my internal mental processes it’s exactly the same filtering process that I’d apply to a man. And I think everyone does that, regardless of gender – nobody picks sexual or romantic partners without in some way filtering based on physical preferences. So why is it so enraging to you when women filter men that way?
FWIW, Mr. Al, from the way Cassandra’s described her exes, although I’m 100% sure that she finds them attractive and she’s got great taste and other women find her exes attractive, they don’t sound at all attractive to me. Which is totally cool because Cassandra dated men who were superhot to her, and I’ve been able to date men who were superhot to me, and these different men with their various physiques dated us and presumably were more or less pleased with what we were bringing to the table. That’s kinda how dating and attraction works.
Lauralot is very pretty, who gives a shit what MRAL thinks about anything.
Also, being slightly more patient for a moment – the problem with responding to women saying “I don’t find X hot, not my type, don’t want sex with him” with rants about how they’re sneering at men who aren’t their type, etc, is that you’re basically implying that if a woman doesn’t have sex with any given man she’s treating him with contempt. That’s really, really fucked up.
It’s also a loathsome sentiment in the sense of, what about friendship? If I have male friends who I love dearly who I don’t want sex with, am I sneering at them? Does our friendship mean nothing if it never leads to sex?
That is a horrible, messed up way to look at relationships between men and women, MRAL.
This nails it.
MRAL, I’ve never treated a guy with contempt just because I don’t want to have sex with him, and I doubt anyone else here has, either. I’ve just…not had sex with him. Of the three people (besides my partner) that I think of as my closest friends, two are men, and I don’t find either of them at all attractive (either purely physically or romantically/sexually in general). I don’t believe I’m being contemptuous towards them when I hang out with them, talk to them for hours, play video games with them, watch movies with them, hug them when they’re going through rough times (or when they just want a hug, or when I do), offer them relationship advice, bake them cookies, give them Christmas presents, and so on and so forth, but do not ever express any interest in doing things to their penises. If the only way you feel women can express respect for you is by offering you sex, that is a big, big problem, dude.
I’m getting pretty sick of MRAL coming in here, posting angry bull, and then saying “sorry, I posted too fast and now everybody’s jumping all over me because they don’t understand what I mean,” when I’m almost positive we understand perfectly well–if someone were to phrase the same thoughts in milder language, I would find them equally objectionable–and it’s not like we’re getting angry just ’cause. I stop wanting to say “it’s okay, try to think before posting next time” when it happens repeatedly. But again, maybe I’m just in a bad mood today.
@Lauralot: your avatar has always looked purple to me :D. I happen to really like my randomly-assigned teal, lucky me!
It’s funny how Manboobz is pretty much therapy for MRAL.
I never had sex with one of my dearest friends from high school. He’s like a brother to me, and I love him very much, but there’s just no chemistry – he’s not my type and I don’t think I’m his either.
I really don’t appreciate being told that I was sneering at him by deciding that I wasn’t ever going to hook up with him all those years ago when we first met.
“@Lauralot: your avatar has always looked purple to me . I happen to really like my randomly-assigned teal, lucky me!”
Mine is Barney coloured XP
I have decided that it’s purple after all.
And thanks, everyone, because my self-esteem just skyrocketed (I haven’t had the best image of myself lately, due to my decision to go on Chatroulette-why god why-one night when I got nexted every time).
If I’m going to provide therapy he’s going to need to pay me for it.
The mysteries of attraction are just that. I had an interesting conversation years ago with a Russian guy my aunt tried to fix me up with. He was about 50 at the time, and was extremely wealthy and charming. He told me that he had always dated women who were much younger than him and not only looked like models, they often were models. But the one great love of his life was a woman who was his age, whom he said was “ugly like a pig.” He claimed she was overweight, had a hook nose with a wart on the end, and she wasn’t even nice. He said she was a complete bitch. Then she dumped him, and he said it took him forever to get over her. And this was a guy who dated models! Go figure.
Meanwhile, I have found that the way people feel about themselves really does affect who you will attract (or not attract) into your life. From my own experience, there were times when I looked terrific, and could not get arrested. Then there were times when I looked like something the cat dragged in and had to beat the men off with a stick! That’s because my confidence level was high at those times. This is something a lot of people don’t get, and they blame the opposite gender for their lack of success in the romance arena when the real problems lies in how they feel about themselves. It’s a shame that so many people refuse to own their own stuff, because that’s what it really boils down to.
You do make an awesome Wonder Woman, Lauralot. You got the perfect hair and everything =D
Thanks! The hair’s a wig, though. I’m actually a redhead.