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This is hard for Brandon, you guys. Maybe we should help him out.
Brandon – try describing an event that happened to someone else. An anecdote, if you will. Since you were not directly involved it should be possible to do so without referring to yourself.
Come on, give it a shot.
Brandon challenge = exquisite.
35 times??? How could someone not know how self centred they are???
It’s been joked about here, for ages now, that whenever he posts it’s the Brandon show – the world according to Brandon, for benefit of Brandon – but even with those repeated comments, and now this challenge, he still can’t stop talking about himself!
HAPPY NEW YEAR MANBOOBZERS!
(can I go to bed now?)
Um, ok, I take issue with the assertion that only MEN are creepy re. anime. Women can be just as fucking weird. Look at the 40-year-old women who were hanging over Taylor Lautner when he was like 16. I think this is just an example of latent misandry of the kind that Hugo attempts to justify because he is an asshole- anything men do is creepy, because they’re men.
Off too work, have a good time, and if I don’t check in again, a happy new year to everyone (yes, I mean everyone, even the NWOs, Mellers, JTKs, and Brandons of the world).
And when we’re not mocking him for “the Brandon show”, we’re mocking him for being dull.
Seriously, if I had to take that level of abuse on a daily basis from a large number of clearly intelligent human beings, I’d either curl up in a corner and cry or take a long, hard look at how I come across online (or both) – but he obviously thinks that no-one’s opinion matters but his own. Which is presumably that he’s the reincarnation of Oscar Wilde.
nah I agree with you MRAL, female anime fans can be pretty creepy too. Like I mentioned earlier, anime tends to attract a whole new breed of socially awkward geek. As for Twilight, that whole series is creepy and just bad.
Happy new year Pecunium, I look forward to you pwning trolls in 2012 😛
35 TIMES?!
Best. Day. Ever.
Loving the Brandon challenge.
Happy New Year y’all!
@Kendra: We found a good home for him, working with our vet (the main reason we ended up with 13 cats and 4 dogs years ago was working in animal rescue). This darling dog was friendly, adorable, loyal (he stayed at the house after they moved out), loving, and yes, I like to imagine people who abandon animals like that end up in a special circle of hell. (I learned about him being abandoned from the person overseeing the foreclosure who came down to ask me about them, and whether I knew the dog was left there–we’re out in the country, so neighbor isn’t exactly right next door in terms of space). Both our current dogs were dumped out in the country.
@CassandraSays: For Brandon to describe something that happened to somebody else calls for him being aware enough of other people to know what happened tot hem (if not through direct observation then through listening to them and remembering what they said).
My prediction: ain’t likely.
MRAL: I agree with you about the creepiness in some female fan circles — though to be fair, I doubt people could tell Taylor L’s age BUT the older women obsessing about Daniel Radcliffe in the early HP movies AND the speculation on his affair with Emma Watson — this wasn’t even about their characters, but about the actors–very creepy.
HOWEVER, in the context of a culture where male access to younger women is much more prevalent, I’d argue that the ‘meaning’ of the creepiness differs because of the different social power of men as a group (yes, there are adult women who rape adolescent boys–the fact that the legal system has tended to treat those cases differently is not due to feminazi power but the patriarchal assumptions about men and women’s social and sexual power).
So yes: there are incredibly creepy, boundary crossing, obsessive women fans (I could tell stories that would chill your heart): ditto men fans. But contextualizing those obsessions in the patriarchal rape culture results in an awareness of the different status given men as compared to women.
I’m not a fan of excusing wymyn because they’re wymyn.
That was kind of sarcastic and obnoxious. I just have a problem with this- and it seems to happen a lot- people saying that “context” makes double standards all right. Sure, I can see the argument that it’s functionally different. That’s all the more reason to hold EVERYONE accountable, because anyone (including women) being creepy with younger guys, and not being held accountable, tells everyone (including men) that this behavior is okay.
MRAL: Thanks for your clarification-I’m not holding women to a different standard (though I’ll agree the legal system is). If feminists have spent a century PLUS pointing out the inequalities (I have problems with the phrase double standard right now, so let’s talk inequalities) built into kyriarchal systems (because it’s not just gender but race), then blaming feminists (as a group) for the double standards makes.no.sense.
The creepiness is the same on the individual level
On the larger, systemic level: the majority of adults who molest children are straight white men.
Vast majority.
And while there are probably sentencing disparities in the cases brought to court, the odds are the VAST number of cases are never brought to court–so the social reality is that adult men have sexual access to children in ways that adult women do not, without penalty.
So, yes INDIVIDUAL creepiness the same.
SOCIAL RESULTS totally different. The inequality is built into the system: and you seem to assume that overall it benefits women.
I don’t see that it does benefit women, so that’s where we disagree.
You at times seem to be blaming women for the situation–again, we disagree on the area of responsibility. Women as well as men are part of the kyriarchy–so to that extent they are part of maintaining the structure, BUT women as a group do not have the power or get the rewards that men as a group do.
Unless you can distinguish between the individual and the system in these discussions, you’re missing out on a huge part of the issue of social discourse and change.
And I’ll just have to shut up I guess because while I’m paid to do this for my students, it’s not that fun doing it on the internet for free.
MRAL, please stop saying asshole things like “wymyn” and then apologizing for it later. You’ve been doing pretty well lately, and a lot of people are treating you in good faith. In the immortal words of RuPaul, “Don’t fuck it up.”
I’m not so sure about the “straight, white” part, at least proportionally.
Secondly, if the vast majority of case are never brought to court, and when they are men receive harsher sentences, how do men have greater “greater access”? Perhaps men, proportionally, utilize that access more. But women, in my opinion, have FAR, FAR more social leeway in ogling young guys (again, look at Twilight- and don’t give me “he looked older”, that’s the same excuse the r/jailbait guys used). You can come up with entirely legitimate reasons why this is the case, but since most men and women are in fact not spiritual members of the late great r/jailbait, functionally, for most people it’s just a double standard.
Brandon challenge is even better now. 35 times! Awesome!
You know, this has been a pretty troll-free weekend thus far. I guess unlike Brandon, the other regular trolls actually have things to do and people to see during the holidays.
Damn, you know you suck when you’re a loser even by troll standards.
35 times? This is the most awesome challenge ever.
Happy New Year!
MRAL: Ogling is not the same as raping.
Let’s see if I can dig up some stats about child molestation (I know the cultural narrative is it’s all the gay men/pedophiles as if they are the same, but I think that’s one of those stereotypes that’s been debunked–like the narrative of “black women get all the welfare” when the majority are white women).
Maybe I’m sheltered — or willfully ignorant? — but I don’t see this. I’ve seen guys (online and off) hitting on and making weird comments to and about underage women all my life. I’ve never seen older women do this in meatworld, and even when it happens online it’s in the context of News Story About Older Women Asking Lautner to Sign Panties (I had to seek that out, actually), followed by millions of comments about ewwwwwww how gross is that. Which I have no problem with. Adult women asking an underage boy to sign their panties is gross. But (1) it’s hardly evidence that women have far more social leeway in ogling young guys, and (2) I think it’s telling that the majority response to women in their 40s and 50s hitting on young guys is that older women’s sexuality is disgusting.
Now, if you’re talking about outlier cases where adult women rape minor boys, and the problems the criminal justice system has with holding those women responsible, sure — there is a problem there, and it extends to the media not taking those cases seriously as crimes but using them as a referendum on the criminal’s hotness.
MRAL: here is the first one. I’m not a huge fan of psychology generally (my own prejudice), but this site has some useful terms and distinctions:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html