Today, a GUEST POST from Catherine! Thanks, Catherine! And the rest of you, enjoy!
Over on Chateau Heartiste, the (He)artist(e) Formerly Known As Roissy devoted a recent post to the conundrum of handsome men coupled with ugly women. It’s essentially an open thread for the denigration of women who don’t live up to Roissy’s porntastic standards (17 to 20 years old with a BMI of about 18 *and* a D cup, and related WTF?! attributes), as well as ragging on those awful beta manginas who are punching below their weight – or, to quote Heartiste himself, are “polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.”
I was participating in a mobile conference which included question and answer periods, and I noticed an odd couple standing to my side. He was youngish and good-looking — most women would agree on his physical attractiveness — and his wife was a snout-nosed, inbred-looking, stringy-haired, big fat pig dressed in sweatshirt and ill-fitting jeans. In other words, the typical American woman. I assumed they were married because I saw their rings and she had her hand on a stroller with an infant tucked away in it.
He’s just getting started.
What abomination is this! I thought. But then the reason became crystal clear after only a few moments watching and listening to them interact.
Speaker: Any questions?
Big Fat Pig: [nudging her hubby with her elbow] Honey, remember…
Handsome Husbandry: [tentatively raising his index and middle finger, and haltingly talking] I have a question… I have a…
So obviously the young good-looking man is totally under the thumb of the big fat evil feminist woman, who has sucked out his brains and reduced him to a quivering lump of hesitation and uncertainty!
As he asked his question, he kept looking over at his wife — in fact, staring at his wife more than the speaker, although he was ostensibly addressing the speaker. One would be forgiven for having the impression that he was seeking constant real-time assurance from his wife that his question was acceptable for public discourse. Nervously shifting from one foot to the other, leaning into his wife, gazing downward when the speaker responded to him, his body language was so beta it was painful to watch. No, it was repulsive to behold, almost as repulsive as the visual effrontery of his wife’s blubbery carcass.
So, sniveling, indecisive beta manginas are repulsive… but not as repulsive as a corpulent woman! Gotcha, Roissy.
After getting in a few more digs at the contemptuous, unsympathetic wife, Roissy sets forth his views on various types of couples. First, the kinds of couples that should be allowed to exist:
Handsome man with beautiful woman
All is right in the world. You infer the man has alpha characteristics to complement his good looks, and he has cashed that in for a hot babe. …
Ugly man with ugly woman
All is right, if depressing, in the world. You infer the ugly man has beta or even omega characteristics, and that an ugly woman was the best he could do. You assume the ugly woman resents him for having to settle, but knows she has no other options. Love between them is less about passion than it is about task delegation and avoidance of suicidal loneliness.
All is well in the world of alpha males with hot babes, but those in ugly people combos need to find some highly diverting hobbies to keep from offing themselves.
Now Roissy turns his attention to two apparent mismatches, and delineates his usual double standards:
Ugly man with beautiful woman
Wow, he is shooting out of his league! But then, thinking on it a bit, you recall that you saw quite a few couples like this mismatched pair during the week. It’s less rare than popularly imagined. You may ask yourself “What does she see in him?”, and from that you infer the ugly man has compensating alpha attributes to snag such a hottie — maybe he’s wealthy, or slick, or funny, or a dominating asshole, or some combination of each. You assume this ugly man has options to be able to choose a beauty for a girlfriend.
Moral: ugly men are permitted to have counter-balancing attributes! Can you guess what is coming next?
Handsome man with ugly woman
Whoa, what is he thinking?! An uncommon sight, (occurrence less frequent than its polar opposite), you presume the handsome man has some debilitating personality flaw — maybe social awkwardness, or shyness, or micropenis — that prevents him from fornicating with his true potential. Unlike the mirror image couple of the ugly man with the beautiful woman, you do not give the ugly woman the benefit of the doubt in assessing why she was able to catch a handsome man. You simply conclude, reasonably, that the handsome man is not the alpha male on the inside that he looks like on the outside, and therefore the ugly woman is not really dating out of her league. There must be something wrong with him, you think.
Women have no value beyond their looks, so the pitiful man dating someone wretchedly below Roissy’s artificial standards must likewise be sub-standard, in some way invisible to us, to have abased himself so humiliatingly.
Having drawn these pictures, Roissy rounds out the post with a sermon on female ugliness, which is to be universally shunned:
There is an instinctive, deeply primitive understanding chugging away behind the prefrontal cortex in every one of us that women sexually respond to a suite of male attractiveness traits, of which looks are only one desirable male quality. It is therefore not inconceivable to most non-brainwashed observers that an ugly man might have other characteristics that appeal to a beautiful woman on his arms, or that a handsome man might be crippled with weakness and self-doubt that constrains his ability to attract no better than a big fat pigwoman.
And we’re back to the disparaging references to pigs. Why, oh why does Roissy hate pork so? (That he detests women is more or less expected.)
In the mismatched couple I witnessed, it was clear that whatever good will or tokens of desire that the handsome man had inspired in his pigwoman were completely squandered by his beta behavior. It was easy to see by her loathsome demeanor that his looks no longer held — if they ever did beyond the first couple of dates — any sway over her feelings for him. But being the big fat pigwoman she is, she knew she could not do better.
And that is why the generational increase in human beauty is a slow, painstaking process, punctuated by tragic reversals to a sloping brow norm (see: Appalachia, Detroit). Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.
What the hell was that? I’ll quote it again: “Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.” Oh, the huge manatee! Shrink in terror from the impending doom to be brought about by porcine-human hybrids!
Naturally such hyperbole is a cue for some predictable misogyny in the comments, such as the following from regular tool Tyrone:
That’s why its good to be older to get a good sense for how a woman will age. There are loads of women who look hot when young but turn into cattle as they age. Mom is usually a good bench mark. If you’d do her Mom, you’re probably safe. Check out how Ginger Lynn looks like nowadays. You’d never recognize her from her porn days.
A view right in line with Roissy’s famed dating value regimen that women lose value once they’re older than, say, 29; and Tyrone follows it up with some white supremacism:
White people won’t survive without more kids. Smart white men need to breed more in our country- with white women.
What, you might ask, about women with great bodies but unappealing faces? One Anonymous coward urges his brethren to go for it :
[O]ne of my biggest regrets was not doing a girl who had the hottest body around but an ugly face. Temporarily of course.
But for fuck’s sake don’t marry them. Right, tenderman100?
Some years ago, before I was married for the first time (twice married, twice divorced) I was banging this babe. Amazing body. Amazing tits. But a kind of a bucktoothed face. When I first met her, I thought, wow what amazing tits…yeah she’s kinda ugly but she’s friendly and I just have to see those tat tas. Well, not only did I see them, we banged for a few months. She was incredible in bed, highly orgasmic, very flexible (did ballet). Haven’t seen her in decades, but if she is a fat cow, I wouldn’t be surprised. Yeah, she was ugly but she pounded like a pro. So it isn’t always what it seems. Then again, I would never have married her.
If not marriage, then what about a long-term relationship? Over again to Tyrone:
A good woman who has reparable shortcomings is still a good option for an LTR. Fugly is a whole different animal.
But if you marry one of them, Tyrone adds, make sure you have a contingency plan!
My wife knows if she ever lets herself go, talks about divorce, whatever that pisses me off enough to leave, I will simply disappear into the night. No arguments or emotions, it will be a complete coup de main. There won’t be anyone around to serve papers to. I’ll be overseas in an undisclosed location screwing LBFMs.
In case you don’t already know, LBFM is short for Little Brown Fucking Machines, a term of art to refer to Asian women (frequently underage) sought out by sex tourists — which should be sufficient to outline Tyrone’s sophisticated moral principles. He continues:
I say this with no emotion or bravado, just let her know its a fact that she must deal with. Marriage is like defense policy, the best defense is a good offense. Strike first, strike to kill. Identify a location and buy yourself some property there, so you have somewhere to go. Move enough money there to live well until you can start a bar or whatever to live. Plan this for a few years in advance if need be. Life is too short to be some stupid broad’s wage slave.
How charming!
Heartiste really has a way of bringing out the best in people!
JTK:
I read “site” as something slightly different first time round. Was it just me?
@Alpha
I meant societie’s not Societoe’s lmao
@Voip
I dont think the PUA crowd has any solution to the problem of how men and women can stop treating each other like shit.
Do they treat each other like shit? That hasn’t been my experience.
Voip Just look at all the drama in the PUA community and the hating amongst its male and female detractors.
Not for the first time, you seem to be under the impression that “the PUA community” is a microcosm of humanity as a whole.
You meant “society’s”. FTFY.
I still think you’re a potato. Cat’s out of the bag on that one.
@JTK
detractors of PUA do so because it’s manipulative misogynistic garbage which can also get borderline rapey, I mean forgive me for being insulted at the idea that insulting a woman is a way to get into her pants and that when women say no they secretly mean yes. There’s nothing disturbing at all about that, nope! none whatsoever.
How are you people so stupid? you bitch and moan about how much society apparently hates men yet some of the sickest things I have read about women have come from either MRA, MGTOW or PUA websites. You make NO SENSE.
Ah. It all makes sense now. We all know how alpha-chasing, gold-digging female potatoes are!
It’s a self-esteem issue. These guys know they are unattractive so they tried to date fat women because they believed these women are desperate. They were rejected even by them so they despise them. I’ve seen a few guys like that in shyness/dating forums.
And it’s the same reason they constantly say that women above 25 end up alone. They need to believe that women that rejected them in their youth will end up alone.
what did you read it as Wetherby?
“Shite”. Which I thought was disarmingly honest of him at first, until I re-read it.
@Wetherby
Haha! well it would make a lot more sense if he did say that.
@no more mr nice guy
I’ve seen that attitude on a relationship forum I used to post at. I got so irritating that I just stopped posting there. It all boils down to “how dare those fat bitches reject me! here I am such a nice guy who is only settling for a fatty since I’m too ugly to get a 18 year old skinny chick…can’t they see how NICE I AM for trying to date someone as ugly and fat as them!?”
Yea…sounds like a real catch -_-
*It got so irritating. Though I’m sure I got irritating too, by telling them what assholes they were being lol
And no troo Scotsman puts sugarr on ‘is ootmeal.
They show up and say something colossally stupid and you’re like, “That’s the stupidest thing a person could write.” And then they say something stupider and you’ve got nowhere to go.
They are videos that Paul Elam picked up on YouTube, so many of these women are probably not even aware they are featured on AVFM. Furthermore there are women that comment on these blog with an hidden agenda. A few years ago, there was a young woman that was a a student in Romania that commented regularly on manosphere blogs, she was so misogynistic that even the guys there thought she was a guy. Then one of the guy that read these blog told me she had sent a lot of sexy pictures of herself to many MRAs and told them that she wanted to study in the US – these guys are fascinated by East-European women. She wanted to find a naive guy in the manosphere that would pay for her education, get a green card, and run away from him.
Well, that’s a fundamental mistake right there. This stereotypical fat woman might be desperate – or she might simply be completely comfortable with who she is, and not prepared to sacrifice many of life’s great pleasures merely in order to appeal to shallow individuals who can’t look beneath the surface. And I’d say a woman like that is more likely to reject someone with a PUA mentality than otherwise. Hence…
…whereas most of my female friends met their husbands/life partners when they were well past 25 (my wife was 35 when she met me). In fact, those who got themselves hitched (legally or otherwise) before then were in a pretty small minority.
You’re not doing a very good job talking straight men out of having sex with thirty something women. You’ll need a hell of lot more than references to the Matrix to convince them to do that. By the way, Neo from the Matrix had sex with Trinity, and she was in her thirties. Oh no, Neo was a white knight mangina blue pill feminist of doom!
I am so sick of people invoking The Matrix as some sort of deep, fat metaphor for how you lack control over something, and that’s not fair, etc. I mean, come on. The idea is not by any stretch original, and the story doesn’t even make sense.
I bailed out of The Matrix about 45 minutes in, when I decided it was too silly for my frame of mind at the time (if I remember rightly, it was partway through the first kung fu scene). I didn’t ever return to it, though I daresay I’ve still got the DVD somewhere.
JTK, stop.
You accomplish nothing by writing here.
You keep telling how terrible PUAs are, as if that’s something we didn’t know. You say they put women women on pedestals. This is, as best, a terrible mistake, at worst, a lie. They don’t put women on pedestals more than hunters put preys on pedestals. They advice on how to manipulate people, how to disregard they boundaries, how to be pushy or whatever works, as long as they can “convince” a woman to have sex with them.
No very feministey.
Feminism, which by the way, don’t care if you date or not, if you have sex or not, if you marry or not, as long as you act as a decent human being.
MGTOW are a joke. Not because I want to make fun of virgin, or celibates, involuntary or not. I don’t, because there is nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of people (some who are feminists by the way) who do what you say, who throw away conventions, who quit dating, who don’t marry, who don’t have sex. But they don’t feel the need to tell it over and over to people who don’t care – and to people they shouldn’t care about – They don’t call themselves genius for doing such things. They don’t make crappy over-used matrix references over and over. They don’t cry for attention.
So go you own way, take rainbow pills, or not, as long you’re happy and hurt nobody. But do so quietly, please. And remember that you never have to choose between MRAs, PUAs or MGTOW. They are nothing but a very small crowd, no matter how loud they are on internet.
“By the way, Neo from the Matrix had sex with Trinity, and she was in her thirties.”
But I don’t think they ever dated. Because, you know, you can do the one without the other.
“Feminism actually wants to complicate the natural male sexuality. Feminists do not want even to act as human females. They are trying to destroy real masculine men and male sexuality. Most of feminists are non feminine and they like to be fat and ugly. They like gender neutral or male clothing as well. They know that men who are really masculine do not like this kind of a behavior of women. Feminists really want to promote weak male characters while they are spreading out feminism.”
I just wanted this to show up again bc I got such a snicker out of it. I don’t think I could even in jest write something this hilarious. Man, those doods never fail to up the ante, do they?
“Men need to go at it alone without women always telling them what to do and controlling men, and men always seeking female approval.No more. Men are opting out of women by going MGTOW”
I follow that much, but you can’t keep hanging out with us explaining “I’m not sleeping with you!” and be taken seriously. Many of us are men, but I’m pretty sure the majority of the readership are female and thus waiting for us to react to you is the exact opposite of your stated goal- it’s as if you want validation from us.
Aw, what the heck. I’m gonna give it a shot.
“Feminism actually wants to destroy the colour blue. They want to remove it from the colour spectrum in its entirety. They do not even want blueish purple or blueish green to exist because of its cultural ties to masculinity. And the colour red would only be acceptable when associated with menstrual fluids, for men have long held ground on that colour, as well. They also ban pink, since it is too representative of patriarchal femininity. Yes, Barbies will be tossed into a fiery pit, along with Superman paraphernalia (because of the blue and red), and all other male superheroes, television stars, movie stars, and male representations of any sort in popular culture. All movies will be remade with Glenn Close and Meryl Streep, with male dialogue removed and replaced with passages from The Vagina Monologues. Oh, those dastardly feminists. They’ll ruin us all.”
Two problems here.
1) By posting on forums like this, you self-evidently are seeking “female approval” of some kind, even if it’s only in the form of acknowledgement. Otherwise, why do it? Why not just GYOW without making a huge song and dance about it?
2) You may not be seeking female approval, but you sure as hell are seeking peer approval. What’s the difference?
And the third and most fundamental problem is: why should anybody else care?
JTK then go your own way. Please. Now. For the love of little green turtles, go.
I think that if I decided to go my own way and thought myself happier for it, the last thing I would be doing is stenching up blogs and internet communities full of the sort of people I had gone my own way from. Let alone taking time out of my awesome day of going my own way to endlessly repeat how happy I am now instead of, you know, actually doing what I claim I’m doing.