Today, a GUEST POST from Catherine! Thanks, Catherine! And the rest of you, enjoy!
Over on Chateau Heartiste, the (He)artist(e) Formerly Known As Roissy devoted a recent post to the conundrum of handsome men coupled with ugly women. It’s essentially an open thread for the denigration of women who don’t live up to Roissy’s porntastic standards (17 to 20 years old with a BMI of about 18 *and* a D cup, and related WTF?! attributes), as well as ragging on those awful beta manginas who are punching below their weight – or, to quote Heartiste himself, are “polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.”
I was participating in a mobile conference which included question and answer periods, and I noticed an odd couple standing to my side. He was youngish and good-looking — most women would agree on his physical attractiveness — and his wife was a snout-nosed, inbred-looking, stringy-haired, big fat pig dressed in sweatshirt and ill-fitting jeans. In other words, the typical American woman. I assumed they were married because I saw their rings and she had her hand on a stroller with an infant tucked away in it.
He’s just getting started.
What abomination is this! I thought. But then the reason became crystal clear after only a few moments watching and listening to them interact.
Speaker: Any questions?
Big Fat Pig: [nudging her hubby with her elbow] Honey, remember…
Handsome Husbandry: [tentatively raising his index and middle finger, and haltingly talking] I have a question… I have a…
So obviously the young good-looking man is totally under the thumb of the big fat evil feminist woman, who has sucked out his brains and reduced him to a quivering lump of hesitation and uncertainty!
As he asked his question, he kept looking over at his wife — in fact, staring at his wife more than the speaker, although he was ostensibly addressing the speaker. One would be forgiven for having the impression that he was seeking constant real-time assurance from his wife that his question was acceptable for public discourse. Nervously shifting from one foot to the other, leaning into his wife, gazing downward when the speaker responded to him, his body language was so beta it was painful to watch. No, it was repulsive to behold, almost as repulsive as the visual effrontery of his wife’s blubbery carcass.
So, sniveling, indecisive beta manginas are repulsive… but not as repulsive as a corpulent woman! Gotcha, Roissy.
After getting in a few more digs at the contemptuous, unsympathetic wife, Roissy sets forth his views on various types of couples. First, the kinds of couples that should be allowed to exist:
Handsome man with beautiful woman
All is right in the world. You infer the man has alpha characteristics to complement his good looks, and he has cashed that in for a hot babe. …
Ugly man with ugly woman
All is right, if depressing, in the world. You infer the ugly man has beta or even omega characteristics, and that an ugly woman was the best he could do. You assume the ugly woman resents him for having to settle, but knows she has no other options. Love between them is less about passion than it is about task delegation and avoidance of suicidal loneliness.
All is well in the world of alpha males with hot babes, but those in ugly people combos need to find some highly diverting hobbies to keep from offing themselves.
Now Roissy turns his attention to two apparent mismatches, and delineates his usual double standards:
Ugly man with beautiful woman
Wow, he is shooting out of his league! But then, thinking on it a bit, you recall that you saw quite a few couples like this mismatched pair during the week. It’s less rare than popularly imagined. You may ask yourself “What does she see in him?”, and from that you infer the ugly man has compensating alpha attributes to snag such a hottie — maybe he’s wealthy, or slick, or funny, or a dominating asshole, or some combination of each. You assume this ugly man has options to be able to choose a beauty for a girlfriend.
Moral: ugly men are permitted to have counter-balancing attributes! Can you guess what is coming next?
Handsome man with ugly woman
Whoa, what is he thinking?! An uncommon sight, (occurrence less frequent than its polar opposite), you presume the handsome man has some debilitating personality flaw — maybe social awkwardness, or shyness, or micropenis — that prevents him from fornicating with his true potential. Unlike the mirror image couple of the ugly man with the beautiful woman, you do not give the ugly woman the benefit of the doubt in assessing why she was able to catch a handsome man. You simply conclude, reasonably, that the handsome man is not the alpha male on the inside that he looks like on the outside, and therefore the ugly woman is not really dating out of her league. There must be something wrong with him, you think.
Women have no value beyond their looks, so the pitiful man dating someone wretchedly below Roissy’s artificial standards must likewise be sub-standard, in some way invisible to us, to have abased himself so humiliatingly.
Having drawn these pictures, Roissy rounds out the post with a sermon on female ugliness, which is to be universally shunned:
There is an instinctive, deeply primitive understanding chugging away behind the prefrontal cortex in every one of us that women sexually respond to a suite of male attractiveness traits, of which looks are only one desirable male quality. It is therefore not inconceivable to most non-brainwashed observers that an ugly man might have other characteristics that appeal to a beautiful woman on his arms, or that a handsome man might be crippled with weakness and self-doubt that constrains his ability to attract no better than a big fat pigwoman.
And we’re back to the disparaging references to pigs. Why, oh why does Roissy hate pork so? (That he detests women is more or less expected.)
In the mismatched couple I witnessed, it was clear that whatever good will or tokens of desire that the handsome man had inspired in his pigwoman were completely squandered by his beta behavior. It was easy to see by her loathsome demeanor that his looks no longer held — if they ever did beyond the first couple of dates — any sway over her feelings for him. But being the big fat pigwoman she is, she knew she could not do better.
And that is why the generational increase in human beauty is a slow, painstaking process, punctuated by tragic reversals to a sloping brow norm (see: Appalachia, Detroit). Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.
What the hell was that? I’ll quote it again: “Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.” Oh, the huge manatee! Shrink in terror from the impending doom to be brought about by porcine-human hybrids!
Naturally such hyperbole is a cue for some predictable misogyny in the comments, such as the following from regular tool Tyrone:
That’s why its good to be older to get a good sense for how a woman will age. There are loads of women who look hot when young but turn into cattle as they age. Mom is usually a good bench mark. If you’d do her Mom, you’re probably safe. Check out how Ginger Lynn looks like nowadays. You’d never recognize her from her porn days.
A view right in line with Roissy’s famed dating value regimen that women lose value once they’re older than, say, 29; and Tyrone follows it up with some white supremacism:
White people won’t survive without more kids. Smart white men need to breed more in our country- with white women.
What, you might ask, about women with great bodies but unappealing faces? One Anonymous coward urges his brethren to go for it :
[O]ne of my biggest regrets was not doing a girl who had the hottest body around but an ugly face. Temporarily of course.
But for fuck’s sake don’t marry them. Right, tenderman100?
Some years ago, before I was married for the first time (twice married, twice divorced) I was banging this babe. Amazing body. Amazing tits. But a kind of a bucktoothed face. When I first met her, I thought, wow what amazing tits…yeah she’s kinda ugly but she’s friendly and I just have to see those tat tas. Well, not only did I see them, we banged for a few months. She was incredible in bed, highly orgasmic, very flexible (did ballet). Haven’t seen her in decades, but if she is a fat cow, I wouldn’t be surprised. Yeah, she was ugly but she pounded like a pro. So it isn’t always what it seems. Then again, I would never have married her.
If not marriage, then what about a long-term relationship? Over again to Tyrone:
A good woman who has reparable shortcomings is still a good option for an LTR. Fugly is a whole different animal.
But if you marry one of them, Tyrone adds, make sure you have a contingency plan!
My wife knows if she ever lets herself go, talks about divorce, whatever that pisses me off enough to leave, I will simply disappear into the night. No arguments or emotions, it will be a complete coup de main. There won’t be anyone around to serve papers to. I’ll be overseas in an undisclosed location screwing LBFMs.
In case you don’t already know, LBFM is short for Little Brown Fucking Machines, a term of art to refer to Asian women (frequently underage) sought out by sex tourists — which should be sufficient to outline Tyrone’s sophisticated moral principles. He continues:
I say this with no emotion or bravado, just let her know its a fact that she must deal with. Marriage is like defense policy, the best defense is a good offense. Strike first, strike to kill. Identify a location and buy yourself some property there, so you have somewhere to go. Move enough money there to live well until you can start a bar or whatever to live. Plan this for a few years in advance if need be. Life is too short to be some stupid broad’s wage slave.
How charming!
Heartiste really has a way of bringing out the best in people!
@Alphalady
there ain’t a closet big enough for these dudes to hide in
What I have learned from Roissy and his ilk:
1. A woman’s worth is only in her looks and sex skills. A woman doesn’t have any skills, aspirations, or personality.
2. Ugly people are pathetic, but it’s worse to be an ugly woman.
3. Only men should date out of their league.
4. A woman is ugly if she doesn’t look like a supermodel or pornstar.
5. Women aren’t allowed to visibly age.
Something tells me Roissy is a bit insecure about his looks.
Lest we forget, this is exactly B- – -don”s opinion of his relationship and his life, right down to the desire to “move to Thailand…for the beaches.” He reads Roissy regularly.
I think Roissy is more than a bit insecure about a lot of things, not just his looks.
Lest we forget, this is exactly B- – -don”s opinion of his relationship and his life, right down to the desire to “move to Thailand…for the beaches.” He reads Roissy regularly.
Too right, one of first days here he was posting about his no strings relationship with “Ashley” and how his goal in a couple of years was to move to Thailand for some reason… Was it Thai kickboxing? Lol
Also, I know a few of these supposed beta style men who are so shy they barely look up from their shoe laces and wouldn’t even have a girl/wife unless an assertive female asked them out.
I think these kind of men actually benefit from having an assertive female partner otherwise nothing would get done – the house wouldn’t have been purchased, the bills would not be paid, the application for the better job would not…..
Sometimes it’s useful to have a relationship where one partner’ weakness is the other one’s strength
Anti-Moron’s-Rights:
What are these people’s lives going to be like when even they have to admit that the idea of hooking up with a 21-year-old has become about as likely as them discovering a cure for cancer?
They’re looking at a desperately lonely and embittered old age (and indeed middle age), and they’ll have given everyone else a green light to point and laugh.
Because the women the PUAs are after arent the kind that interest me, much of game as described in the PUA culture fills me with and revulsion. Ladies, just suppose the great mass of men stopped thinking with their dicks and 99% of them suddenly became sensitive New Age guys eager to commit.
Until most women stopped being cruel to Nice Guys and rewarding men who behave like dominating jerks with sex, nothing.nothing would change. PUA game would still work. I
dont think the PUA crowd has any solution to the problem of how men and women can stop treating each other like shit. Nor do they claim to; the PUA attitude is that you just have to play your cards as best you can under a set of constraints that is intrinsically tragic. But I think the spotlight glare theyre putting on actual mating behavior as opposed to the lies we tell ourselves about how men and women behave in the dating world,is just a mirror of the dating scene.
As a man the only solution is to go MGTOW, to resign -to opt out of women altogether.
As my fellow comrade here so Ark so aptly put it. No more PUA fighting between men and women just some kind of gender separatism. Men neen to go at it alone without women always telling them what to do and controlling men, and men always seeking female approval.No more. Men are opting out of women by going MGTOW
As my fellow comrade ARK put it
“This is why MGTOW will always be the superior movement. It tells women that it takes two to tango. That if women want sex and romance with us intelligent, creative, handsome and witty guys, then THEY are the ones who need to step up their game. The world will improve when women collectively agree to grow personalities, grow spines, get some hobbies and graduate to being human beings, not by continuing this sick system of women as temperamental rubiks cubes and guys as those who have to restructure their lives to solve them.”
He didn’t give a reason. After Pecunium gave a list of things that the Thai people have done that are cool, one of which was Muay Thai, B- – -don latched onto Muay Thai like grim death and pretended he knew crap about Thailand all along and just likes their culture, man.
Do they treat each other like shit? That hasn’t been my experience.
The only solution to a shitty “dating scene,” whatever that is, is to never be with a woman? Why not stop going to bars and clubs? Why not meet women in a more normal context, less fraught with anxiety and overdressing? There’s an entire world out there, full of science fiction clubs, music hobbyists, model train enthusiasts, and people who dick around on the Internet, and many of these people are female.
How do women do this?
Women…have no hobbies? Have you met women? Have you been on the Internet?
Oh, oh, oh! AND! When we called him out on it he was all, “why do you immediately think of desperately impoverished young women who are coerced into sex? You guys must be racist against Thai people!”
and my brain exploded
Feminism actually wants to complicate the natural male sexuality. Feminists do not want even to act as human females. They are trying to destroy real masculine men and male sexuality. Most of feminists are non feminine and they like to be fat and ugly. They like gender neutral or male clothing as well. They know that men who are really masculine do not like this kind of a behavior of women. Feminists really want to promote weak male characters while they are spreading out feminism.
hahahaha he actually used the word “comrade” too friggen funny. I’m tempted to say he’s trolling for the lulz, but this is a self proclaimed MGTOW.
@JTK
Right on comrade, you go your own way! you sure showed us! because women just LOVE a man who think of us as not being human beings with zero personalities and no hobbies.
How is it that so many normal, non alpha asshole men are able to have healthy happy relationships with women? Are all the couples I know a figment of my imagination? could it be because they, I dunno, don’t hate women?
You aren’t nice. You and the rest of the MGTOW are all a bunch of pathetic losers. Women clearly want nothing to do with you because you hate us. That’s it. What sane person wants to be with someone who doesn’t even think they are a human being? I’m not even going to try to persuade you to think otherwise because it really is best for you to stay away from women.
Here’s a hint though, if you’re going to be hostile to a group of people, or even an individual person, chances are they will react hostile right back and want nothing to do with you. This is basic knowledge.
@Anti-Moron’s Rights
I got a laugh out of your post (a good kind of laugh, not the uncomfortable type I usually get when reading MRA/PUA shite) good job! 😀
The problem with PUA to is mens need for approval from woman and pedestalizing women as PUA’s do
There are two parts to the “problem” of the need for mens approval from women, one is purely instinctual and hormonal, the second is societal.
The first is very tough to overcome when you’re young, the male mating drive is extremely strong the the late teens and early 20s. Seeking approval from females is and always has been a part of the age old mating game.
Part of the mating game is also that males need to prove themselves worthy to procreate, not just take a woman and rape her but provide from the children and the tribe. It’s why all that societal infrastructure called civilization was setup in the first place, as more of an agreed upon device to impress women.
The second major influence is societal, how men are raised as children and their indoctrination into their society’s cultural norms and expectations.
We all know that babies are programmed from birth to know and be able to distinguish their mother’s voice, smell and other characteristics. Little boys and girls naturally seek approval from their parents, especially their mothers.
In almost all societies through out history men were taught to revere their r mothers. This kind of programming carries over to some extent when viewing other women, this kind of thing expresses itself in “chivalry” and an almost automatic deference to women and defense of women.
Some men will never realize just how deeply ingrained their programming is and how hard it is to break it. Some men will never acknowledge they are programmed and hence they will never understand they are vulnerable.
Look at most manginas for an example of this willful blindness, look at the losers who marry multiple times and each time their marriage fails and they’re taken to the cleaners. What is their excuse “I can’t imagine myself growing old alone”, “Man was never meant to be alone!”, “I need to have a woman to complete me, nurture me, take care of me and give meaning and purpose to my life!”.
These are men who are more robot then human, are acting and behaving at a subconscious level and never as a fully thinking man, more like a well trained pet.
The male need for approval declines by the time men reach their 30s, when their hormones are down to a manageable level and their life experiences eventually soak in enough for some to realize that women don’t belong on a pedestal and never should’ve been put on one in the first place Nowadays, an emerging movement of men in their 30’s begin to go MGTOW, after being “burnt out: of the dating scene. As mens hormones decrease to a manageable level as they age, womens sexuality increases as they age .
As men begin to say no to women and sex. this creates some type of conundrum for society.
@JTK
http://youtu.be/5hfYJsQAhl0
lousy embedding!
there we go!
maybe that should be the standard response to all the trolls on here haha.
Quackers:
I’d keep it bookmarked for moments just like this.
JTK:
How in the world can we womenfolk miss MGTOW guys if they don’t go the fuck away already? All we hear is them whining about how much we’ll miss them (and have to step up our game) when they’re gone.
I mean, damn, I went on a break from any relationships for a couple of years after leaving the PUA ex, but I didn’t stink up the internet with screeds about how much men suck just because that particular one made me seriously question my self-worth, my sanity, and my feelings about all things sexytime. I just stopped dating and concentrated on healing and bettering myself – for myself.
And so far, it’s worked out. I’m dating a guy who I have no idea where would fit on the alpha-omega nonsense scale (seriously people, are we living in werewolf world?), but maybe that’s a bonus, because he’s just himself and we accept each other.
JTK:
It creates no “type of conundrum for society” whatever, until the numbers become statistically significant.
But since this is extraordinarily unlikely ever to happen, I’m pretty relaxed about the prospect.
Entitled much? Nobody will give you sex because you deserve it, it is not the prize item you receive at the end of the quest if you smiled, nodded or complimented at the right time.
Most men who do have sex aren’t PUAs, or even dominating jerks. Stop with you preconceived views, stop trying so hard to sound smart, stop rationalizing your loneliness and your horniness, date, find love, find a sex buddy or any other kind of relationship you want or just go your own damn way if that make you happy (hint: your own way can’t be trolling feminist blogs) but stop whining.
@quackers/niki
I belong to a generally group of MGToW guys. and they helped me find my way out the matrix as well. The movie was the Matrix. MRA MGTOW guys say “take the red pill” . The red pill is not conforming to societoes emphasis on dating and marriage. Society says a man must be chivalrous and cater to women.
Society is The Matrix, The blue pill means conforming to societies fascination with dating,relationships, and romance. The female sexual power over men Matrix is very strong I use to be in it so I definetly know.
But I post this site because you know what a lot of feminists have a wrong impression of what MGTOW is.I see it stereotypes of MGTOW guys as losers all the time here. We as men do not need a female’s approval to make us whole as blue pill society tells us. We as MGTOW men can live without women and sex and be complete. We pedestalize no women as PUA does.
Dammit JTK do I have to post the video again?
@Niki
stink up the internet is one of the best phrases I have ever heard. I literally laughed out loud when I read that xD
“Societoes” was a dead giveaway. JTK is a potato.