Today, a GUEST POST from Catherine! Thanks, Catherine! And the rest of you, enjoy!
Over on Chateau Heartiste, the (He)artist(e) Formerly Known As Roissy devoted a recent post to the conundrum of handsome men coupled with ugly women. It’s essentially an open thread for the denigration of women who don’t live up to Roissy’s porntastic standards (17 to 20 years old with a BMI of about 18 *and* a D cup, and related WTF?! attributes), as well as ragging on those awful beta manginas who are punching below their weight – or, to quote Heartiste himself, are “polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.”
I was participating in a mobile conference which included question and answer periods, and I noticed an odd couple standing to my side. He was youngish and good-looking — most women would agree on his physical attractiveness — and his wife was a snout-nosed, inbred-looking, stringy-haired, big fat pig dressed in sweatshirt and ill-fitting jeans. In other words, the typical American woman. I assumed they were married because I saw their rings and she had her hand on a stroller with an infant tucked away in it.
He’s just getting started.
What abomination is this! I thought. But then the reason became crystal clear after only a few moments watching and listening to them interact.
Speaker: Any questions?
Big Fat Pig: [nudging her hubby with her elbow] Honey, remember…
Handsome Husbandry: [tentatively raising his index and middle finger, and haltingly talking] I have a question… I have a…
So obviously the young good-looking man is totally under the thumb of the big fat evil feminist woman, who has sucked out his brains and reduced him to a quivering lump of hesitation and uncertainty!
As he asked his question, he kept looking over at his wife — in fact, staring at his wife more than the speaker, although he was ostensibly addressing the speaker. One would be forgiven for having the impression that he was seeking constant real-time assurance from his wife that his question was acceptable for public discourse. Nervously shifting from one foot to the other, leaning into his wife, gazing downward when the speaker responded to him, his body language was so beta it was painful to watch. No, it was repulsive to behold, almost as repulsive as the visual effrontery of his wife’s blubbery carcass.
So, sniveling, indecisive beta manginas are repulsive… but not as repulsive as a corpulent woman! Gotcha, Roissy.
After getting in a few more digs at the contemptuous, unsympathetic wife, Roissy sets forth his views on various types of couples. First, the kinds of couples that should be allowed to exist:
Handsome man with beautiful woman
All is right in the world. You infer the man has alpha characteristics to complement his good looks, and he has cashed that in for a hot babe. …
Ugly man with ugly woman
All is right, if depressing, in the world. You infer the ugly man has beta or even omega characteristics, and that an ugly woman was the best he could do. You assume the ugly woman resents him for having to settle, but knows she has no other options. Love between them is less about passion than it is about task delegation and avoidance of suicidal loneliness.
All is well in the world of alpha males with hot babes, but those in ugly people combos need to find some highly diverting hobbies to keep from offing themselves.
Now Roissy turns his attention to two apparent mismatches, and delineates his usual double standards:
Ugly man with beautiful woman
Wow, he is shooting out of his league! But then, thinking on it a bit, you recall that you saw quite a few couples like this mismatched pair during the week. It’s less rare than popularly imagined. You may ask yourself “What does she see in him?”, and from that you infer the ugly man has compensating alpha attributes to snag such a hottie — maybe he’s wealthy, or slick, or funny, or a dominating asshole, or some combination of each. You assume this ugly man has options to be able to choose a beauty for a girlfriend.
Moral: ugly men are permitted to have counter-balancing attributes! Can you guess what is coming next?
Handsome man with ugly woman
Whoa, what is he thinking?! An uncommon sight, (occurrence less frequent than its polar opposite), you presume the handsome man has some debilitating personality flaw — maybe social awkwardness, or shyness, or micropenis — that prevents him from fornicating with his true potential. Unlike the mirror image couple of the ugly man with the beautiful woman, you do not give the ugly woman the benefit of the doubt in assessing why she was able to catch a handsome man. You simply conclude, reasonably, that the handsome man is not the alpha male on the inside that he looks like on the outside, and therefore the ugly woman is not really dating out of her league. There must be something wrong with him, you think.
Women have no value beyond their looks, so the pitiful man dating someone wretchedly below Roissy’s artificial standards must likewise be sub-standard, in some way invisible to us, to have abased himself so humiliatingly.
Having drawn these pictures, Roissy rounds out the post with a sermon on female ugliness, which is to be universally shunned:
There is an instinctive, deeply primitive understanding chugging away behind the prefrontal cortex in every one of us that women sexually respond to a suite of male attractiveness traits, of which looks are only one desirable male quality. It is therefore not inconceivable to most non-brainwashed observers that an ugly man might have other characteristics that appeal to a beautiful woman on his arms, or that a handsome man might be crippled with weakness and self-doubt that constrains his ability to attract no better than a big fat pigwoman.
And we’re back to the disparaging references to pigs. Why, oh why does Roissy hate pork so? (That he detests women is more or less expected.)
In the mismatched couple I witnessed, it was clear that whatever good will or tokens of desire that the handsome man had inspired in his pigwoman were completely squandered by his beta behavior. It was easy to see by her loathsome demeanor that his looks no longer held — if they ever did beyond the first couple of dates — any sway over her feelings for him. But being the big fat pigwoman she is, she knew she could not do better.
And that is why the generational increase in human beauty is a slow, painstaking process, punctuated by tragic reversals to a sloping brow norm (see: Appalachia, Detroit). Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.
What the hell was that? I’ll quote it again: “Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.” Oh, the huge manatee! Shrink in terror from the impending doom to be brought about by porcine-human hybrids!
Naturally such hyperbole is a cue for some predictable misogyny in the comments, such as the following from regular tool Tyrone:
That’s why its good to be older to get a good sense for how a woman will age. There are loads of women who look hot when young but turn into cattle as they age. Mom is usually a good bench mark. If you’d do her Mom, you’re probably safe. Check out how Ginger Lynn looks like nowadays. You’d never recognize her from her porn days.
A view right in line with Roissy’s famed dating value regimen that women lose value once they’re older than, say, 29; and Tyrone follows it up with some white supremacism:
White people won’t survive without more kids. Smart white men need to breed more in our country- with white women.
What, you might ask, about women with great bodies but unappealing faces? One Anonymous coward urges his brethren to go for it :
[O]ne of my biggest regrets was not doing a girl who had the hottest body around but an ugly face. Temporarily of course.
But for fuck’s sake don’t marry them. Right, tenderman100?
Some years ago, before I was married for the first time (twice married, twice divorced) I was banging this babe. Amazing body. Amazing tits. But a kind of a bucktoothed face. When I first met her, I thought, wow what amazing tits…yeah she’s kinda ugly but she’s friendly and I just have to see those tat tas. Well, not only did I see them, we banged for a few months. She was incredible in bed, highly orgasmic, very flexible (did ballet). Haven’t seen her in decades, but if she is a fat cow, I wouldn’t be surprised. Yeah, she was ugly but she pounded like a pro. So it isn’t always what it seems. Then again, I would never have married her.
If not marriage, then what about a long-term relationship? Over again to Tyrone:
A good woman who has reparable shortcomings is still a good option for an LTR. Fugly is a whole different animal.
But if you marry one of them, Tyrone adds, make sure you have a contingency plan!
My wife knows if she ever lets herself go, talks about divorce, whatever that pisses me off enough to leave, I will simply disappear into the night. No arguments or emotions, it will be a complete coup de main. There won’t be anyone around to serve papers to. I’ll be overseas in an undisclosed location screwing LBFMs.
In case you don’t already know, LBFM is short for Little Brown Fucking Machines, a term of art to refer to Asian women (frequently underage) sought out by sex tourists — which should be sufficient to outline Tyrone’s sophisticated moral principles. He continues:
I say this with no emotion or bravado, just let her know its a fact that she must deal with. Marriage is like defense policy, the best defense is a good offense. Strike first, strike to kill. Identify a location and buy yourself some property there, so you have somewhere to go. Move enough money there to live well until you can start a bar or whatever to live. Plan this for a few years in advance if need be. Life is too short to be some stupid broad’s wage slave.
How charming!
Heartiste really has a way of bringing out the best in people!
“Gutterslut” sounds like it ought to be a cartoon by Kate Beaton.
Cassandrea, I’ve suspected for awhile now that the hatred toward fat women is a result of the fact that a lot of fat women have happy, loving relationships and these guys don’t. It’s pure jealousy that someone they consider so inferior has something they’ll likely never have because they’re so full of hate.
There once was a Chateaux named Heartiste
Full of jackasses and wife beater-istes
Pigwomen! They’d squeal
We’ll only eat veal!
Four legs better than two say the beasts 🙂
or:
Sometimes when it suits them best-iste.
“Doesn’t the existence of unattractive man/beautiful woman couples (see: Dennis and Elizabeth Kucinich) go against everything MRAs believe about women being shallow whores who only fuck the %10 of men ? Am I putting too much thought into this? Probably.”
No, at least some of them just say it PROVES that women are shallow whores. If she’s dating an ugly man, she must be after him for his money – so she’s such a money-hungry whore that she doesn’t even care that he’s unattractive.
Anyway, Heartiste/Roissy keeps saying that ugly men can make up for their looks by having and ugly personality too… er, sorry, by being an ‘alpha’ who treats women like crap because all women want to be treated that way.
Unfortunately for you Arks, there has yet to be an intelligent, creative, handsome and witty MGHOW so I really do not see where there is much to be worried about.
Skyal: That makes sense.
I had no idea the lives of ugly people were filled with such dispair. You’d think the double-suicides alone would have weeded the ugly from the gene pool already.
Also, I didn’t know Hugh Jackman was married to a manatee, so I went and looked it up on google images. Turns out, Hugh doesn’t always look like Wolverine, and there are more than a few pictures where she is the hotter of the two. Which one is the ‘winner’ under Heartiste’s metric seems to depend very heavily on what day they photographed on.
And finally, always love to see the ‘people with positive trait A should breed more’ argument, because it is such a solid one. Absolutely nothing bone-stupid about it. Plus, humans already know we’re great at breeding animals for desirable traits – look at everything we did for dogs.
I’m sure Arks has to fight off hordes of women just aching to bone him.
Woman :”Oh Arks, you’re so smart and handsome! Make love to me!”
Arks: “Thanks for the compliment. But sorry, I’m not going to stick my penis into some STD-infested, stinky hole of yours.”
Woman: *swoons*
Wow.
Bingo. I’ve seen a few posts where he’s posted pics of fat women with their husbands/boyfriends, or happy looking fat women. Then he’d just write a post insulting them and their supposed beta/omega husbands, while projecting all his ugliness onto what he believes their relationship is like based on one photograph. So sad.
What a pathetic, hate-filled person he is. You’d think a macho “alpha” who is surrounded by gorgeous women all the time would be too happy or busy to put down others on the interwebs. Apparently not so. Or maybe he’s just, you know, a 40 something loser with nothing going for his except but his cult of equally bitter, hate filled angry male followers (and the occasional female follower with very low self-esteem who desperately needs male validation)
And from what I’ve learned from the manosphere, Alpha = heartless misogynist asshole and Beta = decent human being. I’ll take a beta any day.
also doesn’t the belief that you should insult women you like seem quite similar to when little boys tease or pull the hair of the little girls they like on the playground?
“…and the occasional female follower with very low self-esteem who desperately needs male validation”
I came across a bunch of anti-feminists videos by women (under a section titled “Women”) on AVFM and was surprised to see how many there were (at least 10, although some women had posted two or three). It’s no secret that women can be anti-feminists or even misogynists (see Ann Couter, Sharron Angle) but I wonder how many of the women would continue to support the site if they really understood what a nutjob Paul Elam is.
Ann Coulter*
Curse you, non-existing edit button.
The whole thing seems like a desperate attempt to pretend that you’re rejecting other people before they can reject you, basically. It’s a power play, and not a very effective or convincing one.
“Lefty men are overwhelmingly balless, sackless losers like this one. I’ll bet he married her because they both worked on a Demo-rat campaign together and he thought that “intellectually and politcally” they were compatible. And she cheats on him.”
Authoritarian virgin says what?
I’ve already designed a little set for “man island” using that Muvizu animation software I used before. I just need to writ the script and get some people to do the voices and, you know, animate it.
@Liz:
Tesla was a physicist, engineer and polyglot, so he was intelligent. He invented lightning guns, so he was creative. He was also known for his showmanship and was dashing as fuck, so you can count witty and handsome as well. Yet despite all this, he told all those bitches to take a hike. So in a lot of ways, Tesla isn’t just an example of an MGTOW – he’s also the *definitive* example.
He also hated fat people, so there’s that too.
Now we might not be building death rays every day like he was, but we’re still for the most part good men.
“We might not be building death rays every day like he was, but we’re still for the most part good men.”
Remember when you called for a movement to “occupy whore vaginas?” Yeah, you’re not a good man, or a good person in general.
To MRAs, teen- or 20-something Barbi doll lookalikes (as long as they are blindly subservient and possess the intelligence of eggplants, which is an insult to all vegetables, in my opinion) are the only females of the species who are permitted to be considered desirable and worthy of male attention. It’s a “scientific fact.” Just ask ’em. They will set you straight!
That’s the most…Orwellian definition of “good” that I’ve seen in a while.
@Crumbelievable
I don’t think you necessarily have to call yourself a feminist to be an egalitarian or to treat people with equal respect, especially since the word feminism has been so butchered and has basically become a negative term nowadays, thanks to conservative assholes, MRAs and the few radical feminists who ruined it for the rest of us.
Outspoken anti-feminist women though…I have 2 theories about them:
One is that they desperately crave validation from men, are need to prove to them that they “aren’t like those horrible man hating shrikes so please love meeeee!!!” or are afraid that men wont marry them anymore (the horror!) because some bitches from the past demanded to vote and go to work.
Two is that they are traditionalists and are pissed off that women now have to work to support themselves and that men aren’t going to be chivalrous and take care of them anymore. They are in for a rude surprise when they find out that most MRAs don’t support independent career bitches, but nor do they support being chivalrous or taking care of women either. Basically they hate women no matter what they do.
Also its possible to point out some ways men get discriminated against without pretending that women never face or have faced any discrimination ever, or blaming every single problem on the horrible feminists that apparently control everything.
Funnily enough is that most of the people that were all “lol feminazi” to me irl were from my woman friends. They were for egalitarianism but knew shit all about feminism until I explained it to them. As for men, I figure there are going to be some who hate me for whatever. I’m not skinny or submissive so people like roissy will hate me for that. I’m a geek so people like Arks will hate me for that too. I’m also a feminist so they all will hate me for that. Too bad so sad. The way I see it, I’d be doing something wrong if they DIDN’T hate me. So hate away guys, cuz I’m not changing 😀
Translation of Arks recent post:
One dude in the past did some important shit and he told women to take a hike, therefore that makes it okay for me and all the other MGTOW dudes to hate all the women for no reason!!! LOGIC!
Also when are these turds going to realize that other men’s accomplishments DO NOT mean that ALL MEN can take credit for them just because they are of the same sex? What did YOU invent Arks? What did MGTOWs invent? besides a new way to be an asshole on the internet?
Your “definitive example” was also a supporter of women’s rights and believed that in the future women would run things and society would be better off for it.
Cassandra: “The whole thing seems like a desperate attempt to pretend that you’re rejecting other people before they can reject you, basically. It’s a power play, and not a very effective or convincing one.”
Bingo. Most of these guys lack any true understanding of women. All of their ideas come from either porn or the stupid shit they glean from other lonely guys.
Now now, Noadi, it’s never a good idea to bring up little things like logic or facts.