Today, a GUEST POST from Catherine! Thanks, Catherine! And the rest of you, enjoy!
Over on Chateau Heartiste, the (He)artist(e) Formerly Known As Roissy devoted a recent post to the conundrum of handsome men coupled with ugly women. It’s essentially an open thread for the denigration of women who don’t live up to Roissy’s porntastic standards (17 to 20 years old with a BMI of about 18 *and* a D cup, and related WTF?! attributes), as well as ragging on those awful beta manginas who are punching below their weight – or, to quote Heartiste himself, are “polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.”
I was participating in a mobile conference which included question and answer periods, and I noticed an odd couple standing to my side. He was youngish and good-looking — most women would agree on his physical attractiveness — and his wife was a snout-nosed, inbred-looking, stringy-haired, big fat pig dressed in sweatshirt and ill-fitting jeans. In other words, the typical American woman. I assumed they were married because I saw their rings and she had her hand on a stroller with an infant tucked away in it.
He’s just getting started.
What abomination is this! I thought. But then the reason became crystal clear after only a few moments watching and listening to them interact.
Speaker: Any questions?
Big Fat Pig: [nudging her hubby with her elbow] Honey, remember…
Handsome Husbandry: [tentatively raising his index and middle finger, and haltingly talking] I have a question… I have a…
So obviously the young good-looking man is totally under the thumb of the big fat evil feminist woman, who has sucked out his brains and reduced him to a quivering lump of hesitation and uncertainty!
As he asked his question, he kept looking over at his wife — in fact, staring at his wife more than the speaker, although he was ostensibly addressing the speaker. One would be forgiven for having the impression that he was seeking constant real-time assurance from his wife that his question was acceptable for public discourse. Nervously shifting from one foot to the other, leaning into his wife, gazing downward when the speaker responded to him, his body language was so beta it was painful to watch. No, it was repulsive to behold, almost as repulsive as the visual effrontery of his wife’s blubbery carcass.
So, sniveling, indecisive beta manginas are repulsive… but not as repulsive as a corpulent woman! Gotcha, Roissy.
After getting in a few more digs at the contemptuous, unsympathetic wife, Roissy sets forth his views on various types of couples. First, the kinds of couples that should be allowed to exist:
Handsome man with beautiful woman
All is right in the world. You infer the man has alpha characteristics to complement his good looks, and he has cashed that in for a hot babe. …
Ugly man with ugly woman
All is right, if depressing, in the world. You infer the ugly man has beta or even omega characteristics, and that an ugly woman was the best he could do. You assume the ugly woman resents him for having to settle, but knows she has no other options. Love between them is less about passion than it is about task delegation and avoidance of suicidal loneliness.
All is well in the world of alpha males with hot babes, but those in ugly people combos need to find some highly diverting hobbies to keep from offing themselves.
Now Roissy turns his attention to two apparent mismatches, and delineates his usual double standards:
Ugly man with beautiful woman
Wow, he is shooting out of his league! But then, thinking on it a bit, you recall that you saw quite a few couples like this mismatched pair during the week. It’s less rare than popularly imagined. You may ask yourself “What does she see in him?”, and from that you infer the ugly man has compensating alpha attributes to snag such a hottie — maybe he’s wealthy, or slick, or funny, or a dominating asshole, or some combination of each. You assume this ugly man has options to be able to choose a beauty for a girlfriend.
Moral: ugly men are permitted to have counter-balancing attributes! Can you guess what is coming next?
Handsome man with ugly woman
Whoa, what is he thinking?! An uncommon sight, (occurrence less frequent than its polar opposite), you presume the handsome man has some debilitating personality flaw — maybe social awkwardness, or shyness, or micropenis — that prevents him from fornicating with his true potential. Unlike the mirror image couple of the ugly man with the beautiful woman, you do not give the ugly woman the benefit of the doubt in assessing why she was able to catch a handsome man. You simply conclude, reasonably, that the handsome man is not the alpha male on the inside that he looks like on the outside, and therefore the ugly woman is not really dating out of her league. There must be something wrong with him, you think.
Women have no value beyond their looks, so the pitiful man dating someone wretchedly below Roissy’s artificial standards must likewise be sub-standard, in some way invisible to us, to have abased himself so humiliatingly.
Having drawn these pictures, Roissy rounds out the post with a sermon on female ugliness, which is to be universally shunned:
There is an instinctive, deeply primitive understanding chugging away behind the prefrontal cortex in every one of us that women sexually respond to a suite of male attractiveness traits, of which looks are only one desirable male quality. It is therefore not inconceivable to most non-brainwashed observers that an ugly man might have other characteristics that appeal to a beautiful woman on his arms, or that a handsome man might be crippled with weakness and self-doubt that constrains his ability to attract no better than a big fat pigwoman.
And we’re back to the disparaging references to pigs. Why, oh why does Roissy hate pork so? (That he detests women is more or less expected.)
In the mismatched couple I witnessed, it was clear that whatever good will or tokens of desire that the handsome man had inspired in his pigwoman were completely squandered by his beta behavior. It was easy to see by her loathsome demeanor that his looks no longer held — if they ever did beyond the first couple of dates — any sway over her feelings for him. But being the big fat pigwoman she is, she knew she could not do better.
And that is why the generational increase in human beauty is a slow, painstaking process, punctuated by tragic reversals to a sloping brow norm (see: Appalachia, Detroit). Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.
What the hell was that? I’ll quote it again: “Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.” Oh, the huge manatee! Shrink in terror from the impending doom to be brought about by porcine-human hybrids!
Naturally such hyperbole is a cue for some predictable misogyny in the comments, such as the following from regular tool Tyrone:
That’s why its good to be older to get a good sense for how a woman will age. There are loads of women who look hot when young but turn into cattle as they age. Mom is usually a good bench mark. If you’d do her Mom, you’re probably safe. Check out how Ginger Lynn looks like nowadays. You’d never recognize her from her porn days.
A view right in line with Roissy’s famed dating value regimen that women lose value once they’re older than, say, 29; and Tyrone follows it up with some white supremacism:
White people won’t survive without more kids. Smart white men need to breed more in our country- with white women.
What, you might ask, about women with great bodies but unappealing faces? One Anonymous coward urges his brethren to go for it :
[O]ne of my biggest regrets was not doing a girl who had the hottest body around but an ugly face. Temporarily of course.
But for fuck’s sake don’t marry them. Right, tenderman100?
Some years ago, before I was married for the first time (twice married, twice divorced) I was banging this babe. Amazing body. Amazing tits. But a kind of a bucktoothed face. When I first met her, I thought, wow what amazing tits…yeah she’s kinda ugly but she’s friendly and I just have to see those tat tas. Well, not only did I see them, we banged for a few months. She was incredible in bed, highly orgasmic, very flexible (did ballet). Haven’t seen her in decades, but if she is a fat cow, I wouldn’t be surprised. Yeah, she was ugly but she pounded like a pro. So it isn’t always what it seems. Then again, I would never have married her.
If not marriage, then what about a long-term relationship? Over again to Tyrone:
A good woman who has reparable shortcomings is still a good option for an LTR. Fugly is a whole different animal.
But if you marry one of them, Tyrone adds, make sure you have a contingency plan!
My wife knows if she ever lets herself go, talks about divorce, whatever that pisses me off enough to leave, I will simply disappear into the night. No arguments or emotions, it will be a complete coup de main. There won’t be anyone around to serve papers to. I’ll be overseas in an undisclosed location screwing LBFMs.
In case you don’t already know, LBFM is short for Little Brown Fucking Machines, a term of art to refer to Asian women (frequently underage) sought out by sex tourists — which should be sufficient to outline Tyrone’s sophisticated moral principles. He continues:
I say this with no emotion or bravado, just let her know its a fact that she must deal with. Marriage is like defense policy, the best defense is a good offense. Strike first, strike to kill. Identify a location and buy yourself some property there, so you have somewhere to go. Move enough money there to live well until you can start a bar or whatever to live. Plan this for a few years in advance if need be. Life is too short to be some stupid broad’s wage slave.
How charming!
Heartiste really has a way of bringing out the best in people!
Didn’t catch the Detroit reference on the first read through. Is he trying to say Detroit has too many black people (and Muslims, and black Muslims) without actually coming right out and saying it?
Admittedly, it’s not in the best shape right now. But any city where people willingly smuggle dead octopi into a major sports venue for the sole purpose of throwing them on the ice is pretty fucking awesome in my book. Well, that and the Christmas miracle that is the Lions making the playoffs.
Gawd, I just love MGTOW. They’re as misogyst as PUA, but they’re harmless AND they hate PUAS more than anybody. Watching them fight is like watching withe supremacists fight with homophobes or extreme wings politicians fight together.
Also, Arks is still funny.
Roissy, a feminist? ROTFL
Can we set up a cage match or something? It would be like mixed martial arts, but with really whiny people who’re out of shape, so they just sit in opposite corners and throw insults at each other.
The stormfronters don’t like them (mras/mgtowers more than puas) because they’re always saying bad things about white women. Seriously. I’ve been meaning to do a post on it.
I say put MRAs, PUAs and MGTOWs on their own island. Turn it into a reality show or something. Call it Misogynist Mayhem. They’ll either end up killing each other (I give it an hour before their “theory” that women start wars is rendered false) or by dying from starvation since there’s no women around to make them their sammiches.
Holy bucketful of crazy world these guys live in. I used to date a guy that read and apparently lived by these PUA/AlphaBetaOmega nonsense, and it totally blows my mind reading up more into this. How much brain do you need to live in such a simple world?
and was he, as the PUAs have said before “swimming in pussy” Niki?
“The stormfronters don’t like them (mras/mgtowers more than puas) because they’re always saying bad things about white women. Seriously. I’ve been meaning to do a post on it.”
This amuses me greatly, but I shouldn’t be surprised.
“and was he, as the PUAs have said before “swimming in pussy” Niki?”
It’s quite the mental image, isn’t it?
(Also, according to legend that’s how Mao got syphillis. Literal swimming pools full of naked women. Why are these guys not hailing him as a hero?)
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; I do not believe that MGTOW actually exists. I don’t believe that it’s anything other than a rather complicated troll ‘organization’ of dis enfranchized men who then work backwards with a ridiculous set of beliefs to justify their tragic lives.
@Cassandra
I’m just picturing a giant vagina shaped swimming pool
That’s rather disingenuousness of you Ark, when the term is being used almost exclusively to refer to women rather than men. Even on Roissy’s post, in the comments there is this contribution by Dead Eye:
Maybe he’s learning to groom.
Oh do tell 😀 Let me just fetch the bon bons quick.
The closest I came was a guy who read Maxim. I remember asking him why and he was all “Look! How to land an airplane in an emergency! Why would you not want to know this?” XD
Is anyone able to tell I haven’t had enough sleep recently? *looks at the horrific clanger in my 6:17 pm post and shakes head*
Kendra, the early retirement plans of Tyrone simply don’t stand up to any scrutiny, but it’s amusingly representative of the tough guy, taking no shit from my wife, sort of bluster. It bears the same relationship to reality that Om Nom’s porn fantasies have to do with buttsex, as wanked over at length in one of the other threads.
Warpig?! OMG, I love it! I shall sketch it at once, straight away. I also like gutterslut. I wish I was erm, experienced enough to be called that, but I’ll have to content my self with warpig, I suppose.
These guys are loathsome on so many levels. Sexist, racist, homophobic, anti-choice, transphobic, fat-shaming turds. Do they really think they’re going to change anyone’s mind with despicable swill like this?
I totally agree. Besides, aren’t men Supposed to go their own way already? Most women want independent men who aren’t needy and/or so desperate for access to a vagina that they become chivalrous doormats.
Behold the power of the mighty BJ!
despite the massive amounts of context i first read this as ‘the mighty lbj’ and reflexively nodded.
I can believe in MGTOW.
It’s just the only one I ever met was wearing leather chaps, working the door of a gay night club, and told my gay male friend to “drop the fish”.
SWGmigraines, it’s not about changing women’s minds, it’s about posturing for the other men.
The rage they feel towards fat women is just so bizarre. I mean, I prefer men who’re skinny, but it’s not like I walk around seething with anger towards every non-skinny man that I see because OMG how dare he not be sexually appealing to me.
Male entitlement – it’s a hell of a drug.
The fact that any man could be attracted to a woman due to characteristics other than her physical appearance is another major threat to the MRAs. The idea that a good-looking man might very well be attracted to a woman based on her intelligence, personality, sense of humor, integrity and other non-superficial traits is a scary mystery to them. However, it’s perfectly okay for good-looking women to be attracted to ugly men. And they will insist that hot women are attracted to these non-hot men for their intelligence, personality, sense of humor, integrity and other non-superficial traits. Then, in the same breath, will bemoan that women only go for the fugly guys (and hence, not decent-looking guys like them) because the uggo dudes allegedly have lots of money. (I have seen this cognitive dissonance in action on a number of men’s rights forums.) They are such tortured souls. It truly sucks to be them.
And let’s not speak about the possibility that one, of whatever gender, might be sexually attracted to someone who is not conventionally attractive. I don’t understand how they fit in their world view men who like fat or butch women.
Or that he might actually be attracted to her “manatee-ness”.
The horrors.
Except that big women porn, which surely has a high tourist/regular ratio, also has a pretty reliable consumer base. Unless you live in a fanatasy land where only your fantasy counts as “real”.
There once was a Chateaux named Heartiste,
Where they only liked girls who’d fart least.
Pigwoman! They’d squeal
And running, turn teal,
Only to show their own flaws’ lists.
Hey, it’s a limerick, somtimes you have to read the pronunciation generously.