Today, a GUEST POST from Catherine! Thanks, Catherine! And the rest of you, enjoy!
Over on Chateau Heartiste, the (He)artist(e) Formerly Known As Roissy devoted a recent post to the conundrum of handsome men coupled with ugly women. It’s essentially an open thread for the denigration of women who don’t live up to Roissy’s porntastic standards (17 to 20 years old with a BMI of about 18 *and* a D cup, and related WTF?! attributes), as well as ragging on those awful beta manginas who are punching below their weight – or, to quote Heartiste himself, are “polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.”
I was participating in a mobile conference which included question and answer periods, and I noticed an odd couple standing to my side. He was youngish and good-looking — most women would agree on his physical attractiveness — and his wife was a snout-nosed, inbred-looking, stringy-haired, big fat pig dressed in sweatshirt and ill-fitting jeans. In other words, the typical American woman. I assumed they were married because I saw their rings and she had her hand on a stroller with an infant tucked away in it.
He’s just getting started.
What abomination is this! I thought. But then the reason became crystal clear after only a few moments watching and listening to them interact.
Speaker: Any questions?
Big Fat Pig: [nudging her hubby with her elbow] Honey, remember…
Handsome Husbandry: [tentatively raising his index and middle finger, and haltingly talking] I have a question… I have a…
So obviously the young good-looking man is totally under the thumb of the big fat evil feminist woman, who has sucked out his brains and reduced him to a quivering lump of hesitation and uncertainty!
As he asked his question, he kept looking over at his wife — in fact, staring at his wife more than the speaker, although he was ostensibly addressing the speaker. One would be forgiven for having the impression that he was seeking constant real-time assurance from his wife that his question was acceptable for public discourse. Nervously shifting from one foot to the other, leaning into his wife, gazing downward when the speaker responded to him, his body language was so beta it was painful to watch. No, it was repulsive to behold, almost as repulsive as the visual effrontery of his wife’s blubbery carcass.
So, sniveling, indecisive beta manginas are repulsive… but not as repulsive as a corpulent woman! Gotcha, Roissy.
After getting in a few more digs at the contemptuous, unsympathetic wife, Roissy sets forth his views on various types of couples. First, the kinds of couples that should be allowed to exist:
Handsome man with beautiful woman
All is right in the world. You infer the man has alpha characteristics to complement his good looks, and he has cashed that in for a hot babe. …
Ugly man with ugly woman
All is right, if depressing, in the world. You infer the ugly man has beta or even omega characteristics, and that an ugly woman was the best he could do. You assume the ugly woman resents him for having to settle, but knows she has no other options. Love between them is less about passion than it is about task delegation and avoidance of suicidal loneliness.
All is well in the world of alpha males with hot babes, but those in ugly people combos need to find some highly diverting hobbies to keep from offing themselves.
Now Roissy turns his attention to two apparent mismatches, and delineates his usual double standards:
Ugly man with beautiful woman
Wow, he is shooting out of his league! But then, thinking on it a bit, you recall that you saw quite a few couples like this mismatched pair during the week. It’s less rare than popularly imagined. You may ask yourself “What does she see in him?”, and from that you infer the ugly man has compensating alpha attributes to snag such a hottie — maybe he’s wealthy, or slick, or funny, or a dominating asshole, or some combination of each. You assume this ugly man has options to be able to choose a beauty for a girlfriend.
Moral: ugly men are permitted to have counter-balancing attributes! Can you guess what is coming next?
Handsome man with ugly woman
Whoa, what is he thinking?! An uncommon sight, (occurrence less frequent than its polar opposite), you presume the handsome man has some debilitating personality flaw — maybe social awkwardness, or shyness, or micropenis — that prevents him from fornicating with his true potential. Unlike the mirror image couple of the ugly man with the beautiful woman, you do not give the ugly woman the benefit of the doubt in assessing why she was able to catch a handsome man. You simply conclude, reasonably, that the handsome man is not the alpha male on the inside that he looks like on the outside, and therefore the ugly woman is not really dating out of her league. There must be something wrong with him, you think.
Women have no value beyond their looks, so the pitiful man dating someone wretchedly below Roissy’s artificial standards must likewise be sub-standard, in some way invisible to us, to have abased himself so humiliatingly.
Having drawn these pictures, Roissy rounds out the post with a sermon on female ugliness, which is to be universally shunned:
There is an instinctive, deeply primitive understanding chugging away behind the prefrontal cortex in every one of us that women sexually respond to a suite of male attractiveness traits, of which looks are only one desirable male quality. It is therefore not inconceivable to most non-brainwashed observers that an ugly man might have other characteristics that appeal to a beautiful woman on his arms, or that a handsome man might be crippled with weakness and self-doubt that constrains his ability to attract no better than a big fat pigwoman.
And we’re back to the disparaging references to pigs. Why, oh why does Roissy hate pork so? (That he detests women is more or less expected.)
In the mismatched couple I witnessed, it was clear that whatever good will or tokens of desire that the handsome man had inspired in his pigwoman were completely squandered by his beta behavior. It was easy to see by her loathsome demeanor that his looks no longer held — if they ever did beyond the first couple of dates — any sway over her feelings for him. But being the big fat pigwoman she is, she knew she could not do better.
And that is why the generational increase in human beauty is a slow, painstaking process, punctuated by tragic reversals to a sloping brow norm (see: Appalachia, Detroit). Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.
What the hell was that? I’ll quote it again: “Handsome betas are polluting the gene pool with pigwoman blood.” Oh, the huge manatee! Shrink in terror from the impending doom to be brought about by porcine-human hybrids!
Naturally such hyperbole is a cue for some predictable misogyny in the comments, such as the following from regular tool Tyrone:
That’s why its good to be older to get a good sense for how a woman will age. There are loads of women who look hot when young but turn into cattle as they age. Mom is usually a good bench mark. If you’d do her Mom, you’re probably safe. Check out how Ginger Lynn looks like nowadays. You’d never recognize her from her porn days.
A view right in line with Roissy’s famed dating value regimen that women lose value once they’re older than, say, 29; and Tyrone follows it up with some white supremacism:
White people won’t survive without more kids. Smart white men need to breed more in our country- with white women.
What, you might ask, about women with great bodies but unappealing faces? One Anonymous coward urges his brethren to go for it :
[O]ne of my biggest regrets was not doing a girl who had the hottest body around but an ugly face. Temporarily of course.
But for fuck’s sake don’t marry them. Right, tenderman100?
Some years ago, before I was married for the first time (twice married, twice divorced) I was banging this babe. Amazing body. Amazing tits. But a kind of a bucktoothed face. When I first met her, I thought, wow what amazing tits…yeah she’s kinda ugly but she’s friendly and I just have to see those tat tas. Well, not only did I see them, we banged for a few months. She was incredible in bed, highly orgasmic, very flexible (did ballet). Haven’t seen her in decades, but if she is a fat cow, I wouldn’t be surprised. Yeah, she was ugly but she pounded like a pro. So it isn’t always what it seems. Then again, I would never have married her.
If not marriage, then what about a long-term relationship? Over again to Tyrone:
A good woman who has reparable shortcomings is still a good option for an LTR. Fugly is a whole different animal.
But if you marry one of them, Tyrone adds, make sure you have a contingency plan!
My wife knows if she ever lets herself go, talks about divorce, whatever that pisses me off enough to leave, I will simply disappear into the night. No arguments or emotions, it will be a complete coup de main. There won’t be anyone around to serve papers to. I’ll be overseas in an undisclosed location screwing LBFMs.
In case you don’t already know, LBFM is short for Little Brown Fucking Machines, a term of art to refer to Asian women (frequently underage) sought out by sex tourists — which should be sufficient to outline Tyrone’s sophisticated moral principles. He continues:
I say this with no emotion or bravado, just let her know its a fact that she must deal with. Marriage is like defense policy, the best defense is a good offense. Strike first, strike to kill. Identify a location and buy yourself some property there, so you have somewhere to go. Move enough money there to live well until you can start a bar or whatever to live. Plan this for a few years in advance if need be. Life is too short to be some stupid broad’s wage slave.
How charming!
Heartiste really has a way of bringing out the best in people!
Actually, I can’t claim the credit here; this is a guest post from Catherine.
I don’t think ugly and beautiful are even objective things. Some people are beautiful to more people than others, but everyone’s beautiful to someone, and whether or not someone counts as beautiful depends as much on the observer as the observed.
>>everyone’s beautiful to someone
The OCD mathematician in me wants to change that to “the quasi-majority of people are beautiful to at least some people” until I have proof that the stricter theorem holds. 😉
@KristinMH
“IME when men talk about women being controlling, it means “she tells me to do
necessary things which I won’t take responsibility for myself”. Like my parents, only my dad doesn’t complain about it, because he appreciates the decades of domestic and organizational work my mother has done for him. If this isn’t what you want, MRAs, then JOIN US and restructure relationships so that both partners either take equal responsibility for their lives or divide labour in mutually agreeable, not just culturally mandated, ways.”
I see. So a man should be appreciative of a woman dictating what he should do, but a man dictating chores is controlling and abusive.
If chores on a societal whole are divided equally that means women must also work in sewers, construction and so forth at the exact same labor rate as men, not just paperpusher jobs to meet a quota, or the easy tasks. So put on some dirty man clothes and work until your back aches and you die in comparable numbers.
I wonder how many dads are happy being dictated to? I wonder how many are really just looking foward to the sweet release of death?
Uh, I’d rather nobody die because of their jobs.
Women and men do die in comparable numbers.
Each of us dies once.
NWO: Will you please just go stick your head in a blender or something? Thanks.
Also Hugh Jackman’s wife is IMO comparable to him in looks. But then I don’t find him that attractive.
Actually women die more than men, because 51% of peeps are wimminz.
I adore Hugh Jackman, not only as UBER ALPHA MACHO WOLVERINE , but as TOTES GAY BOY FROM OZ.
I wonder how many MRA’s would appreciate his work in the musical (I was taken there for a birfday pressie by my partner, and considering we flew from Texas to NY and stayed in a hotel and all, that was QUITE a pressie. *Happy sigh*)
And, hahahaha, I remember I read a book about Nikola Tesla once, and yeah, he hated fat people. He fired his secretary for being fat.
I wish the whole fucking “who dies MOAR” meme would just….DIAF!
I think that NWO should read some DFW.
I’m sure someone has already pointed this out, but I couldn’t let such stupidity pass without comment.
Hey Arks, maybe Tesla wasn’t so much a MGTOW as he was asexual or gay or too busy doing SCIENCE and/or being mentally ill to have a relationship with a woman. Or maybe he was too busy being David Bowie. That’s always a possibility, especially when Batman and Wolverine are involved.
I find all this talk of alphas kind of hilarious. NephewB has literally spent his life around dogs. Big german shepherd mixes who adore him and who he adores back. He had a period a few months ago when he decided that growling was the proper way to indicate his displeasure. I was watching him one day when I told to knock off whatever he was doing, and he looked up and growled at me. I stood up and told him again to knock it off, and he actually started a dominance staredown. So there I was, six feet tall with a 1yo who’s on the short side trying very, very hard to convince me of his dominance. In hindsight, it was kind of adorable, but the fact that he understood pack dynamics so well was a little bit unsettling at the time. I managed to get him to back down, and he hasn’t growled at me since. So I am the alpha bitch (literally and figuratively) to a toddler. Go me!
@kathleen, my brother has worked on-and-off at dog day care/boarding facilities since he was 16 or so. the one he’s at currently stresses that the employees always project an alpha mentality to keep control of their dogs, so that’s what i think of when i think hear ‘alpha’
@NWO,
I wonder how many dads are happy being dictated to? I wonder how many are really just looking foward to the sweet release of death?
Of course, you won’t actually do any work to find out (such as reading or asking people), so I guess your wondering will just end there, huh?
@JTK,
Sharculese: It’s very odd to see terms i associate with animals being used to describe people. I’ve gotten very good at the ‘don’t even bother, because I WILL smack you down’ attitude with SisterB’s dogs, though.
Hmm…let’s try again:
well, their philosophy is basically ‘if youre not the alpha, one of the sixty dogs under your care will take on the role and then good luck trying to get sixty dogs to do what they’re supposed to’. it’s just cesar milan’s methods modified for larger groups. but yeah, he’s being doing this for years so he pretty much knows what to do.
Blackbloc – >>everyone’s beautiful to someone
The OCD mathematician in me wants to change that to “the quasi-majority of people are beautiful to at least some people” until I have proof that the stricter theorem holds. ”
I LOVE that!
Dogs DO respond to human confidence, and I don’t think Cesar’s insane and abusive or anything, but I think the ALPHA! stuff is way overblown in dog training. (Though dogs are WAY more like the alpha-beta-omega structure than the poor maligned wolves are).
““the quasi-majority of people are beautiful to at least some people” until I have proof that the stricter theorem holds. ””
Quasi-majority? That would be almost 50%, which is very small in this context. Or do I misread that?
My apologies to Catherine I should of been paying more attention
None taken Marc! I’ll hedge by saying that of course David posted it on his blog – but I wrote it. 🙂