Christmas came early for the MRAs this year. Earlier this week, a generous soul calling himself AgentOrange posted a 165 MB present online for them, an assortment of super-secret internet postings from a private forum connected to the RadFem Hub, which Mr. Orange collected by bravely going behind enemy lines and, er, screencapping a bunch of shit. As the OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE declared:
[B]oth feminists and MRAs alike, have been anxiously awaiting the promised complete files of screen shots and associated materials collected by Agent Orange.
These files are apparently so vile and incendiary that Mr. Orange has deemed it necessary to reveal the personal information of some of the RadFemHub commenters. Not to encourage anyone to stalk or harass or harm them, just so that those offended by them can do whatever it is people do when personal info is leaked on the internet that doesn’t involve stalking or harassing or harming them. Send them postcards?
But in any case there is no reason whatsoever to think that a group of really really really angry people who love making threats on the internet and think their opponents are as bad as Hitler could ever do anything that would be in any way problematic.
So, you might ask, what dastardly secrets do these new files disclose? Oddly, the PRESS RELEASE doesn’t actually specify. The AgentOrange website doesn’t say either. And the 165 MB download is just a bunch of files with no explanation.
But I have spent some time going through these files myself in a completely random manner, which is evidently what AgentOrange expects everyone who downloads the files to do. To be perfectly honest, I haven’t spent that much time on this. I’ve really been quite busy with other things. But I have spent some time. More than twenty minutes, anyway.
So let me share with you some preliminary findings.
Here, straight from the AgentOrange files, are some RadFems discussing a news story about a male midwife who thinks that mothers should embrace the pain of childbirth as a “rite of passage.” (Click on the teensy image on the right to get it full-sized.)
Apparently some of those RadFems don’t think this is a good idea! One of them says:
Does he even know what uterine cramps/contractions even feel like?
Another adds:
I read that and rolled my eyes. … If only it were possible to subject mister midwife (my ass) to the joyous pain of childbirth. I guess a swift kick to the balls is as close as he’s ever going to come to it.
Clearly suggesting that a male midwife suffer pain similar to what he suggests women should suffer is nothing short of GENOCIDE!
But wait, there’s more! Another woman writes:
There is no reason why women should have to endure pain like this in this day and age.
That sounds exactly like something HITLER would have said! (If you replace “women” with “Jews” and “no reason” with “every reason.”)
Still another adds:
This is phenomenally stupid, and completely out of step with current pain management theory and procedures.
Is there no end to this feminazi depravity!?
Oh, but there’s more, much more. In this thread — click the image to the right — the evil RadFems complain about guys trying to pick them up in a creepy manner. One of the ladies suggests that a good way to get the guys to leave you alone is to tell them you’re a widow.
You see now that feminism is all about DECEPTION!
Maybe it should be called Deceptionism!
Ok, ok, just one more. In a thread called “I’m mad as hell” — right over there on the right again — one commenter complains about getting a computer virus.
She’s so mad she says she’s even considering downloading Ubuntu and forgoing all Microsoft products, which are frequently targets of viruses! What? Huh? DOES NOT COMPUTE. BZZZZZZZ. LADY USING LINUX ERROR ERROR. *$^*$()*%(*$$$$$$$$. EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN.
CARRIER.
REBOOTING.
FLUSHING CACHE.
Ok. I’m back. Another commenter there says something about castrating guys who write viruses.
That does seem a little excessive. Though I don’t think she means it literally.
I will return to this topic later, after I recover.
In the meantime, if you want to see the most ridiculous comments on the matter from Reddit’s Men’s Rightsers, you can find some of them collected together here. Among the highlights:
This isn’t public shaming, its outing criminals that are planning your genocide.
A story of a plan of naziesque proportions is about to broken.
I think we can all agree that feminism inevitably heads down the road of male genocide.
MRAs, more melodramatic than emo kids.
Oh, and by the way, two of the Reddit quotes above come from a fellow known on Reddit as Sigi1, but who may be more familiar to Man Boobzers as Eoghan. Without clicking on the links, can you guess which two?
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I’m currently looking at AVfM’s comments section about the Agent Orange stuff.
You know, I am absolutely convinced that none of them actually believe the stuff they write – they know that there isn’t a plan to wipe out men.
What they’re trying to do, in my opinion, is get someone high profile to sue them.
They thrive on negative attention. Equally, they get some weird kick out of acting like secret agents, soldiers, freedom fighters etc. I suppose it’s one way of brightening up your life…
That being said, some radical feminist theory/writing is approaching MRA theory/writing in wackiness and buffoonery.
No one was physically threatening the PUAs.
I already said, NWO, I don’t want your real name, I don’t want your home address, I don’t want any physical harm to come to you. Or Paul Elam. Or anyone else in the MRM.
Also this MRA vs Radfem hub is like watching some hilarious internet drama….oh wait…
Seriously though, I don’t blame MRAs for being angry (or any man really), they did say some horrible shit on Radfemhub. Still, MRAs say some pretty horrible shit too and all we do is mock them for it, rather than find all their personal info.
Also, if they really fear “genocide” you’d think they’d call the cops. The fact that they don’t makes me think they don’t actually believe or fear what they claim.
They said that about the Nazi’s, the Bolshevics and Pol Pot as well. How’d those acts of tolerance work out?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Curtain#Iron_Curtain_speech
The characterization of the pain of childbirth as such by both women and physicians since the beginning of time. Including physicians who advocate against pain relief.
Really? Why? Has EVERY person in his right mind experienced a gaping wound in one’s abdomen? Have you? What proof is there that the pain of a gaping wound in one’s abdomen is severe enough to merit pain relief? Is there any at all??? Your words, motherfucker.
As I’ve already told you — since I’ve experienced BOTH — the pain of childbirth is worse.
OK, to be fair, one of them we may possibly have decided not to persecute because he’s too good looking and therefore useful to us (see Arks’s previous comments about slavering crotch maws or whatever). I affectionately refer to him as Heavy Metal Barbie. In his case we over here in the evil femocracy decided to leave him some money so that he could buy nice clothes and keep his hair looking silky. Those of you like NWO who we find unappealing, though? No self-beautifiction budget for you.
@Quackers
“REALITY. DO YOU LIVE IN IT MOTHERFUCKER???”
Sure do. Do you? Do you think because a coupla a dozen men control the wealth of the world any of that translates into wealth and power for men as a whole? Feminists lobbied for that give-away. It’s your world ladies. Tyranny of the majority. Since women are the majority, (the disposable male), every law enacted is your’s. Men can never out-vote women. Every law enacted is your doing.
Also if you’ll excuse me I have to go make my gingerbread men. I don’t know why, since The Spearhead said feminists have declared a War on Christmas….so why am I making gingerbread men exactly?
I am also going to stand by “people should not be beaten for words they say.” In fact, I pledge right now that I will not beat up Neo-Nazis, people who think women should be replaced with sexbots, Fred Phelps, or anyone else I find despicable, and I will support the ACLU in their defense of all these people’s free speech rights.
I am also going to stand behind “people should get pain relief if they need it, unless they don’t want it.” It doesn’t MATTER how terrible or unterrible their pain is; no one should have to suffer needlessly.
Damn. I never realized they were such controversial positions.
Some people have to give birth through a gaping abdominal wound.
whoa
“Since you’re all standing up for the radfem club”
I was going to say, “No, we didn’t. Holly’s first post in this thread condemns Radfem” but then I realized that NWO thinks that we refuse to drag a group of people out into the street and beat the shit out of them, it means we fully condone them.
As an IT pro I agree that castrating virus writers is wrong and bad and shouldn’t be done.
Execution by steel toed boot is really the way to go.
@MRAL
Do you know any of the life histories of the creators of AVFM or Spearhead? Any idea how they started out on the course that they’re on now?
I just read Elam’s bio; he was an addiction specialist?! Like, seriously?
So not only is NWO completely unable to understand the concept of consent, he also can’t understand that people are in pain if he isn’t experiencing it. Most people grasp the concept of empathy once they cease to be toddlers. But not NWO! He’s just special like that.
This exposes another aspect of NWO’s idiocy: that women should not get pain relief for anything unless we can prove by objective evidence to NWO’s satisfaction that THIS IS THE WORST PAIN ANY HUMAN BEING CAN EXPERIENCE, EVER. How would that work, exactly? Do we deny anesthesia if there is something that’s arguably more painful than whatever the patient is experiencing? Hey, I think NWO has just argued his way into saying that people should not get anesthesia for abdominal surgery. After all, cutting into soft tissues is reported to be less painful than sawing through bone, so … from now on we use anesthesia only on amputations.
@NWO
A couple dozen? really? please ask santa to cure you of your delusions for Christmas this year.
Also where’s my free money? I’m a woman, according to you I should be living the easy life, but I can assure you I am not. I don’t make a lot.
Because men and women vote…against each other.
What? I am at a complete loss here.
Feminists have declared a war on Christmas?
*looks at three Nativity scenes*
*looks at homemade cranberry sauce*
*looks at the iPod that has been playing Christmas music nonstop since Thanksgiving*
…well, fuck.
@Amused
“The characterization of the pain of childbirth as such by both women and physicians since the beginning of time. Including physicians who advocate against pain relief.”
This is simply you typing words. Do you have any of these writings from the beggining of time? Emperical studies say the vast majority of women suffer horrendous pain from the beggining of time?
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“Really? Why? Has EVERY person in his right mind experienced a gaping wound in one’s abdomen? Have you? What proof is there that the pain of a gaping wound in one’s abdomen is severe enough to merit pain relief? Is there any at all??? Your words, motherfucker.”
Well than don’t give him pain relief. Call him a sissy. Tell him to man up. It’s not like it’s child-birth pain.
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Women always tell us women can endure greater pain. Well where’s that moxie now?
I’m making war on Christmas with my menorah.
Speaking of pain, my sister is currently experiencing a headache that has lasted for over a month and which is so severe that she’s been subjected to a number of medical tests (CT scan, MRI, MRA, MRV, spinal tap) to make sure that she doesn’t have a brain tumor or something else godawful. She doesn’t, thankfully, but in the mean time they haven’t found a way to stop the pain.
But hey, how can we really tell she’s in agony, right? I might just tell her as much when she comes home for Christmas, and then end up in intensive care for saying something so fucking stupid to a person in agony.
@ozymandias42
Dont’cha mean seasons greetings or happy holidays. Christians are bad. The faith america loves to mock. The only faith that’s acceptable to ridicule.
So in your world, the answer is just make sure everyone is as miserable as humanly possible, especially if they’re women but also if they’re men who aren’t you.
I’d ask if you were a real life super-villain, but villainy would involve getting off your ass and doing something, so clearly you’re not.
@Lauralot
Put a drop of vanilla extract on her tongue.
Can’t they both get pain relief?
What is it with you (and not just you in this case, a lot of MRAs) seeing some perceived injustice and then wanting it to be terrible for both sides? Is that your idea of fair?
Man gets beaten? BEAT WOMEN!
Man doesn’t get a job? WOMEN SHOULDN’T HAVE JOBS!
Man gets threatened? THREATEN WOMEN!
There’s just no conception that it’s possible for no one to be miserable and that the ultimate aim of an equality movement should be to make things better for everyone. Women have too many privileges? Okay, let’s not take them away, let’s give men those privileges. Why can’t you conceive of this?