Christmas came early for the MRAs this year. Earlier this week, a generous soul calling himself AgentOrange posted a 165 MB present online for them, an assortment of super-secret internet postings from a private forum connected to the RadFem Hub, which Mr. Orange collected by bravely going behind enemy lines and, er, screencapping a bunch of shit. As the OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE declared:
[B]oth feminists and MRAs alike, have been anxiously awaiting the promised complete files of screen shots and associated materials collected by Agent Orange.
These files are apparently so vile and incendiary that Mr. Orange has deemed it necessary to reveal the personal information of some of the RadFemHub commenters. Not to encourage anyone to stalk or harass or harm them, just so that those offended by them can do whatever it is people do when personal info is leaked on the internet that doesn’t involve stalking or harassing or harming them. Send them postcards?
But in any case there is no reason whatsoever to think that a group of really really really angry people who love making threats on the internet and think their opponents are as bad as Hitler could ever do anything that would be in any way problematic.
So, you might ask, what dastardly secrets do these new files disclose? Oddly, the PRESS RELEASE doesn’t actually specify. The AgentOrange website doesn’t say either. And the 165 MB download is just a bunch of files with no explanation.
But I have spent some time going through these files myself in a completely random manner, which is evidently what AgentOrange expects everyone who downloads the files to do. To be perfectly honest, I haven’t spent that much time on this. I’ve really been quite busy with other things. But I have spent some time. More than twenty minutes, anyway.
So let me share with you some preliminary findings.
Here, straight from the AgentOrange files, are some RadFems discussing a news story about a male midwife who thinks that mothers should embrace the pain of childbirth as a “rite of passage.” (Click on the teensy image on the right to get it full-sized.)
Apparently some of those RadFems don’t think this is a good idea! One of them says:
Does he even know what uterine cramps/contractions even feel like?
Another adds:
I read that and rolled my eyes. … If only it were possible to subject mister midwife (my ass) to the joyous pain of childbirth. I guess a swift kick to the balls is as close as he’s ever going to come to it.
Clearly suggesting that a male midwife suffer pain similar to what he suggests women should suffer is nothing short of GENOCIDE!
But wait, there’s more! Another woman writes:
There is no reason why women should have to endure pain like this in this day and age.
That sounds exactly like something HITLER would have said! (If you replace “women” with “Jews” and “no reason” with “every reason.”)
Still another adds:
This is phenomenally stupid, and completely out of step with current pain management theory and procedures.
Is there no end to this feminazi depravity!?
Oh, but there’s more, much more. In this thread — click the image to the right — the evil RadFems complain about guys trying to pick them up in a creepy manner. One of the ladies suggests that a good way to get the guys to leave you alone is to tell them you’re a widow.
You see now that feminism is all about DECEPTION!
Maybe it should be called Deceptionism!
Ok, ok, just one more. In a thread called “I’m mad as hell” — right over there on the right again — one commenter complains about getting a computer virus.
She’s so mad she says she’s even considering downloading Ubuntu and forgoing all Microsoft products, which are frequently targets of viruses! What? Huh? DOES NOT COMPUTE. BZZZZZZZ. LADY USING LINUX ERROR ERROR. *$^*$()*%(*$$$$$$$$. EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN.
CARRIER.
REBOOTING.
FLUSHING CACHE.
Ok. I’m back. Another commenter there says something about castrating guys who write viruses.
That does seem a little excessive. Though I don’t think she means it literally.
I will return to this topic later, after I recover.
In the meantime, if you want to see the most ridiculous comments on the matter from Reddit’s Men’s Rightsers, you can find some of them collected together here. Among the highlights:
This isn’t public shaming, its outing criminals that are planning your genocide.
A story of a plan of naziesque proportions is about to broken.
I think we can all agree that feminism inevitably heads down the road of male genocide.
MRAs, more melodramatic than emo kids.
Oh, and by the way, two of the Reddit quotes above come from a fellow known on Reddit as Sigi1, but who may be more familiar to Man Boobzers as Eoghan. Without clicking on the links, can you guess which two?
This post contains:
Slavey:
Is that one for the Big Book?
Also, that “anti-Semitism” is a new word, coined on Manboobz in 2011.
Moewicus:
So can Holly and I tell anti-Semitic jokes now?
VoIP
I do wonder, though, just how deeply wrong he is here.
I mean, his idea of “whore culture” is a touch … inchoate, let’s say. But does Holly, in fact, promote it?
Presumably not, but does she actually say or do the things that he thinks promote it? Does she actually say or do anything that promotes it, even inadvertantly? Where’s the line between things Holly says in his head and things she actually says?
That’s not something you want to think too hard about, I guess.
NWO said
What a big surprise, NWO. You completely missed my point. My MRA Jesus comment wasn’t about mocking Christians or Jesus. It was about mocking the hypocrisy of MRA’s that claim to be Christians. I compared the teachings of Jesus to the beliefs of MRA’s in order to show the hypocrisy.
Why am I trying to explain anything to NWO? It’s like talking to a brick wall. His answer will probably consist of incoherent ranting about Title IX and Slutwalks.
Hershele – I promote people having whatever sex they want. I think that (filtered through NWO’s usual “I only read half of it and I only understood half of that, but I’m sure I hate it!” way of dealing with novel information) counts as “whore culture.”
Because woman + sex = whore. QED
I’m glad he’s not married.
I think that in NWOs head woman actively seeking out or participating in sex = whore. And since we all wear clothes of some sort, and sometimes men are attracted to us, we are seeking sex, therefore we are whores. Even the children.
Especially the children.
I would like to second the notion that Dolly Parton is awesome.
@ previous discussion of an all right Jewish holiday that happens in December…
NWOslave, I am reasonably sure you are capable of understanding this. Different words convey different types and amounts of information. A pronoun can convey very little information about the noun it replaces, as is the case with the word ‘it’ A pronoun can also convey several points of information, as is the case with the word, ‘she.’ ‘She’ tells you that the noun being replaced is a being and that that being is female. The word ‘zie’ conveys that the noun being replaced is a being, but that is the extent of the information given. It is used when you want discuss a being, but the gender of that being is unknown or unimportant. Do you now understand what the word zie refers to?
recent lurker…just wanted to pop my head up and say, hey thanks for making me stay up late for the last week going through your back catalogue and loving what you are all doing. i’m checking in every day and with you all the way. @Holly you have me laugh and laugh and laugh, thank you so much.
BEEZUS CHRIST, U PPL!!!!!!!!!!
I had a look at radfemhub and I really have to say………2nd wave feminism should be nicknamed(or better yet re-named) Sour grapes feminism. 😛
BTW…..Ol’ frenchy whose too cool for names has never been able to get into “amurcan” music(country, folk, bluegrass, gospel). No matter how authentic it may be.
@Holly Pervocracy
Not true, Holly. Now a days you’re taught the new math, than you’re taught the old math. Then you chooses which style of math suits you.
KIDS THESE DAYS AND THEIR NEW MATH! AND NEW ENGLISH!!!!
soon every child will be talking like me! Amilingual lessons will be mandatory >:3
NWO, how do you even know what kids are taught in school these days? xD You have no children, you hate people, you’re afraid to go outside lest the feminazi conspiracy shoots you in the head…
You keep saying you know what kids are taught in school (to be gay and trans apparently xD because schools are SUCH open places where gay and trans ppl aren’t bullied at all xD and if they are the bullies are turned trans and gay >_> ) but… how? o:
How do you know this? You’re like 30 years removed from public school and as I said, you don’t have children and you hate being around or talking to real people xD So how do you know? o:
Oh, Zhinxy, has NWO answered your call to challenge you on your Libertarianism yet btw? o_O Or has he run off again and so therefore he has no basis on which to call you a lying liar who lies? xD
I wonder what NWO bought himself for Christmas…
weed, wire cutters, and a girls’ swimsuit
Oh my goodness, this thread got completely hilarious today. I think my favorite bit was the part where knowing extremely basic biology without having to look it up is “cheating” because, apparently, no one actually knows things! Too funny.
Ami _ he has answered me nothing!
I think NWO thinks that knowledge and information are both entirely subjective things that one can have opinions about. Facts aren’t really true, just truthy, you know? It’s very odd.
@kladle
“weed, wire cutters and a girls’ swimsuit”
This has just become my first christmas list, though I’d prolly change it to a mens’ suit to keep my mind away from the dark reaches of NWO’s. I cannot see any way that those can combine to be anything but an epic story!
The word ‘zie’ conveys that the noun being replaced is a being, but that is the extent of the information given. It is used when you want discuss a being, but the gender of that being is unknown or unimportant. Do you now understand what the word zie refers to?
…don’t we already have the singular “they” for that?
OMFG….
As we speak I’m listening to AVFM Radio on Youtube, about “Agent Orange”.
Paul Elam has just compared himself to Simon Wiesenthal!!! Like, seriously?!
Later on he gets so worked up someone else has to take over the presenting of the show.
There’s an interview with “Agent Orange” too.
Yeah, if you look at it a certain way, MRAs copy & pasting screenshots of some insignificant keyboard warriors are literally identical to a man who, having survived *actual genociode* fought against international indifference to the harbouring of fanatical, racist mass murderers.
Ptery,
there is a completely unacceptable singular neuter pronoun which is used to dehumanise a person, since in English it is exclusively used to refer to objects or non-human life.
The singular “they” is okay for referring to individuals in aggregate, e.g. “Each person should ensure they submit a valid e-mail address”, but it fails contextually when used for a single person, e.g. “David said they were going to the shops” – common usage baulks at unambiguously identifying David as the singular “they”.
Other solutions such as s/he, or the alternation of masculine and feminine pronouns, have similar problems of ambiguity. Using “one” only works when the prose that one is writing in the first person singular. Previously, “he” was used to stand for “he” and “she” in general cases, but this is no longer acceptable usage except for dyed-in-the-wool sexists.
Invented pronouns are a relatively new solution with none of the drawbacks of the historical possibilties, except obscurity (and the gender-neutral pronouns in English dialects that were historically used, such as “ou” and “a”, fell into obscurity and died out).
See Wikipedia for lots more on this.
*Xanthe timidly raises hand as being a zie creature*
Sometimes I really wish that FOX or NBC or some other news station would find Elam and do like a special interest thing on him, sort of like with Anonymous. It would be really interesting to see the mainstream’s reaction.
A post-script: pronouns are still awkward, no matter what; if I call myself Cathy (or even Cat, Kitty, Katy, or Katya) then the pronoun “she” seems to follow, unbidden, since the name my parents chose (Catherine) is such a common name; is it really too bizarre to have a different name (in my case, a name of my own choosing, Xanthe — see above) and to insist a different pronoun is appropriate for zir?