Christmas came early for the MRAs this year. Earlier this week, a generous soul calling himself AgentOrange posted a 165 MB present online for them, an assortment of super-secret internet postings from a private forum connected to the RadFem Hub, which Mr. Orange collected by bravely going behind enemy lines and, er, screencapping a bunch of shit. As the OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE declared:
[B]oth feminists and MRAs alike, have been anxiously awaiting the promised complete files of screen shots and associated materials collected by Agent Orange.
These files are apparently so vile and incendiary that Mr. Orange has deemed it necessary to reveal the personal information of some of the RadFemHub commenters. Not to encourage anyone to stalk or harass or harm them, just so that those offended by them can do whatever it is people do when personal info is leaked on the internet that doesn’t involve stalking or harassing or harming them. Send them postcards?
But in any case there is no reason whatsoever to think that a group of really really really angry people who love making threats on the internet and think their opponents are as bad as Hitler could ever do anything that would be in any way problematic.
So, you might ask, what dastardly secrets do these new files disclose? Oddly, the PRESS RELEASE doesn’t actually specify. The AgentOrange website doesn’t say either. And the 165 MB download is just a bunch of files with no explanation.
But I have spent some time going through these files myself in a completely random manner, which is evidently what AgentOrange expects everyone who downloads the files to do. To be perfectly honest, I haven’t spent that much time on this. I’ve really been quite busy with other things. But I have spent some time. More than twenty minutes, anyway.
So let me share with you some preliminary findings.
Here, straight from the AgentOrange files, are some RadFems discussing a news story about a male midwife who thinks that mothers should embrace the pain of childbirth as a “rite of passage.” (Click on the teensy image on the right to get it full-sized.)
Apparently some of those RadFems don’t think this is a good idea! One of them says:
Does he even know what uterine cramps/contractions even feel like?
Another adds:
I read that and rolled my eyes. … If only it were possible to subject mister midwife (my ass) to the joyous pain of childbirth. I guess a swift kick to the balls is as close as he’s ever going to come to it.
Clearly suggesting that a male midwife suffer pain similar to what he suggests women should suffer is nothing short of GENOCIDE!
But wait, there’s more! Another woman writes:
There is no reason why women should have to endure pain like this in this day and age.
That sounds exactly like something HITLER would have said! (If you replace “women” with “Jews” and “no reason” with “every reason.”)
Still another adds:
This is phenomenally stupid, and completely out of step with current pain management theory and procedures.
Is there no end to this feminazi depravity!?
Oh, but there’s more, much more. In this thread — click the image to the right — the evil RadFems complain about guys trying to pick them up in a creepy manner. One of the ladies suggests that a good way to get the guys to leave you alone is to tell them you’re a widow.
You see now that feminism is all about DECEPTION!
Maybe it should be called Deceptionism!
Ok, ok, just one more. In a thread called “I’m mad as hell” — right over there on the right again — one commenter complains about getting a computer virus.
She’s so mad she says she’s even considering downloading Ubuntu and forgoing all Microsoft products, which are frequently targets of viruses! What? Huh? DOES NOT COMPUTE. BZZZZZZZ. LADY USING LINUX ERROR ERROR. *$^*$()*%(*$$$$$$$$. EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN.
CARRIER.
REBOOTING.
FLUSHING CACHE.
Ok. I’m back. Another commenter there says something about castrating guys who write viruses.
That does seem a little excessive. Though I don’t think she means it literally.
I will return to this topic later, after I recover.
In the meantime, if you want to see the most ridiculous comments on the matter from Reddit’s Men’s Rightsers, you can find some of them collected together here. Among the highlights:
This isn’t public shaming, its outing criminals that are planning your genocide.
A story of a plan of naziesque proportions is about to broken.
I think we can all agree that feminism inevitably heads down the road of male genocide.
MRAs, more melodramatic than emo kids.
Oh, and by the way, two of the Reddit quotes above come from a fellow known on Reddit as Sigi1, but who may be more familiar to Man Boobzers as Eoghan. Without clicking on the links, can you guess which two?
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I think Meller may have stolen the 5 gold rings, though, in the hopes that they will one day be legal tender and usable in the Houses of Entertainment.
@Holly Pervocracy
You promote whore-culture. This is another example of you saying one thing but doing another.
And on that note my proud little whores, I. am. outta. here.
I’m reminded of a book I read that I can no longer remember the title of which involved a bunch of students in a cafeteria rallying together and yelling “WE’RE ALL SLUTS!”
WE’RE ALL WHORES!
@ozymandias42
And go and sin no more. The message is never keep on sinnin, cause I like that.
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The thing is, NWO, none of us here think that commiting adultery is a good thing. It is a bad thing. Because a promise was broken.
And also interesting that he DIDN’T tell the prostitutes to go and sin no more, as far as we know. OR the tax collectors, and beign that I pretend to be a libertarian, they are WAY WAY worse to me than sex workers, who I don’t think are bad at all. But no way out of it, it’s not conditional on them not sinning. If I’m to be christ like, I gotta love ’em too.
I just copy-pasted this, but I’im doing it AGAIN
http://www.affirmingchristian.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=66
There is no mention, that these people were former prostitutes, former tax collectors or former sinners. There is no record that Jesus told these people that they had to clean up their act and change their ways before he comes to dinner. Neither do I find a mention that these people were changed after they dined with Jesus. No record of Bob giving up his job as a tax collector and becoming successful in vinyl siding sales. Or Marsha putting out her candle in the red light district to take up interior design.
While I am sure that lives were changed, but why no mention of it? Maybe it is because it didn’t matter to Jesus, who these people were. Maybe Jesus saw that these were the people wanting help. Wanting a Savior. Maybe the fact that it is written that these people were prostitutes, tax collectors and sinners, is just for us.
Maybe it only matters to us.
I think it’s time for some real Christian music.
“What’s whore-culture, NWO?
Is it like horticulture?”
NWO probably saw a book labeled “Horticulture” and thought, “Gotcha now, feminists!”
Perhaps NWO watched the new Sherlock Holmes.
Or, in honor of the season:
On the Twelfth day of Christmas, En-wo gave to me:
12 babies slutting
11 proteins folding
10 whores a-whoring
9 titles IXing
8 jews a-scheming
7 books a-lying
6 dogs evolving
5 ZIEEEEE CREEEAAAATUREEEEES
4 russian letters
3 living rocks
2 rape excuses
And a flouride conspiracy!
Hey NWO!
“And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”
Holly, *dies*
Funny thing about slutwalks: the point isn’t only that women can have as much sex as they like without being despised for it, although that is one of the points.
The point is mainly that there is no such thing as “asking for it.”. The responsibility for rape rests with the rapist. That is the message of Slutwalk.
Do you know who else said that? St. Augustine.
Here he is on rape. It’s from the beginning of City of God, where he describes the rape of female monastics during the sack of Rome. Many pagan Romans felt that the raped women had lost their honor, and that it could only be regained by killing themselves; if these women did not kill themselves, it could only mean that Christianity was morally bankrupt. In response, Augustine said this:
Translation: A woman’s body is her own, and a good person is good not because of what happens to her body but because of her good soul and good will. .
Sometimes don’t have control over what happens to our bodies. People can hurt us or rape us. Women who have been raped often feel terrible not only because of the physical violation but because they believe that people will think they brought it on themselves. Awful people. People like NWO.
And sometimes people who have been raped feel so terrible that they kill themselves. They’re not “guilty,” here. The problem is the people who shamed them.
The interesting thing here is that Augustine is admitting that men can be raped. (At least I think so; it might be a defect of the translation. I haven’t read this in Latin.) Nobody can fully control his or her own body at all times, especially in Late Antiquity. That does not mean that one is “impure.”
Even though At. Augustine is working off a definition of “purity” that most of us don’t share right now, and he privileges female chastity in a way that should be problematized, he’s still far more sane about this than your average MRA.
Even if female chastity is the sort of thing you value, there is no such thing as the “asking for it” defense.
Here’s the link.
http://faculty.washington.edu/miceal/lgw/lucretia/Augustine.html
NWO, while I’m suggesting verses for you to study, do you know what the single topic most discussed throughout the Bible is?
Helping the poor.
http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html
I think we hit a nerve.
I JUST FUCKING LOVE DOLLY PARTON, ALL RIGHT?
Ozy,
That’s definitely one if my favorite Christmas songs. I’m deeply ambivalent about Jackson Browne but he really hits the nail on the head as far as I’m concerned.
zhinxy – Thank you ever so much for the Superstar stuff. That is awesome, and made my already awesome week even better!
I’m not even going to argue with the Thin Bible believer. You know, the revised bible that only has the approved parts justifying creationism, ignorance, intolerance, and misogyny. Oddly enough, though it’s a Christian work, it does not have any of the Gospels in it, as it might lead people to believe that Jesus was a communist hippie or something.
@NWO
Here’s a thing. I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but it doesn’t really matter if we know how life can come from non-life or how the universe formed or not. Let us say we have no idea. None. You still have to establish a reason for believing in a god. You can’t just find something we don’t understand completely, or even do understand completely that you don’t like, and say “I don’t know, therefore god.” You have to actually give some reason that you think there is a god that does things. Some good reason, in fact.
Let me give you an analogy. I have no idea of how to make tatted lace. None whatsoever. But that does not mean I go around saying, “tatted lace is proof of GOD! Look at how pretty it is. It must be proof of god. I wouldn’t want to live in a world in which god did not tat lace.” Because that would make no sense.
And yes, tatted lace is made by humans, but let us pretend I found a piece on the ground in the middle of a forest with no clue as to how it got there or if it was formed naturally. It still would not make sense for me to claim it was made by god.
Well that was… a hilarious and fascinating thread to catch up on.
I guess NWO abandoned the “rapey” thread when he couldn’t explain how Mennonites reproduce or how strip clubs work? And found himself here, arguing that women don’t need pain management during child birth because he’s grazed his balls. NWO considers himself a Christian.
Well, as my grandmother would say “bless his heart.”
I see now I am too late. Pity.
absinthedextrous! thankyou. ( I’ll probably end up uploading a bunch more international versions. Youtube doesn’t have enough! Must rectify! :p )
NWO is easily startled, but he’ll be back, and with greater stupidity.
For extra credit, we can discuss with him on how the Gospel’s insistence on women being the first and reliable witnesses of the resurrection of christ is a profound theological challenge to the at the time rock solid and legal idea that a woman’s word is not worth believing.. OH, nevermind.
I think he’ll argue that women had teh ekwality back then. Or something.