Christmas came early for the MRAs this year. Earlier this week, a generous soul calling himself AgentOrange posted a 165 MB present online for them, an assortment of super-secret internet postings from a private forum connected to the RadFem Hub, which Mr. Orange collected by bravely going behind enemy lines and, er, screencapping a bunch of shit. As the OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE declared:
[B]oth feminists and MRAs alike, have been anxiously awaiting the promised complete files of screen shots and associated materials collected by Agent Orange.
These files are apparently so vile and incendiary that Mr. Orange has deemed it necessary to reveal the personal information of some of the RadFemHub commenters. Not to encourage anyone to stalk or harass or harm them, just so that those offended by them can do whatever it is people do when personal info is leaked on the internet that doesn’t involve stalking or harassing or harming them. Send them postcards?
But in any case there is no reason whatsoever to think that a group of really really really angry people who love making threats on the internet and think their opponents are as bad as Hitler could ever do anything that would be in any way problematic.
So, you might ask, what dastardly secrets do these new files disclose? Oddly, the PRESS RELEASE doesn’t actually specify. The AgentOrange website doesn’t say either. And the 165 MB download is just a bunch of files with no explanation.
But I have spent some time going through these files myself in a completely random manner, which is evidently what AgentOrange expects everyone who downloads the files to do. To be perfectly honest, I haven’t spent that much time on this. I’ve really been quite busy with other things. But I have spent some time. More than twenty minutes, anyway.
So let me share with you some preliminary findings.
Here, straight from the AgentOrange files, are some RadFems discussing a news story about a male midwife who thinks that mothers should embrace the pain of childbirth as a “rite of passage.” (Click on the teensy image on the right to get it full-sized.)
Apparently some of those RadFems don’t think this is a good idea! One of them says:
Does he even know what uterine cramps/contractions even feel like?
Another adds:
I read that and rolled my eyes. … If only it were possible to subject mister midwife (my ass) to the joyous pain of childbirth. I guess a swift kick to the balls is as close as he’s ever going to come to it.
Clearly suggesting that a male midwife suffer pain similar to what he suggests women should suffer is nothing short of GENOCIDE!
But wait, there’s more! Another woman writes:
There is no reason why women should have to endure pain like this in this day and age.
That sounds exactly like something HITLER would have said! (If you replace “women” with “Jews” and “no reason” with “every reason.”)
Still another adds:
This is phenomenally stupid, and completely out of step with current pain management theory and procedures.
Is there no end to this feminazi depravity!?
Oh, but there’s more, much more. In this thread — click the image to the right — the evil RadFems complain about guys trying to pick them up in a creepy manner. One of the ladies suggests that a good way to get the guys to leave you alone is to tell them you’re a widow.
You see now that feminism is all about DECEPTION!
Maybe it should be called Deceptionism!
Ok, ok, just one more. In a thread called “I’m mad as hell” — right over there on the right again — one commenter complains about getting a computer virus.
She’s so mad she says she’s even considering downloading Ubuntu and forgoing all Microsoft products, which are frequently targets of viruses! What? Huh? DOES NOT COMPUTE. BZZZZZZZ. LADY USING LINUX ERROR ERROR. *$^*$()*%(*$$$$$$$$. EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN.
CARRIER.
REBOOTING.
FLUSHING CACHE.
Ok. I’m back. Another commenter there says something about castrating guys who write viruses.
That does seem a little excessive. Though I don’t think she means it literally.
I will return to this topic later, after I recover.
In the meantime, if you want to see the most ridiculous comments on the matter from Reddit’s Men’s Rightsers, you can find some of them collected together here. Among the highlights:
This isn’t public shaming, its outing criminals that are planning your genocide.
A story of a plan of naziesque proportions is about to broken.
I think we can all agree that feminism inevitably heads down the road of male genocide.
MRAs, more melodramatic than emo kids.
Oh, and by the way, two of the Reddit quotes above come from a fellow known on Reddit as Sigi1, but who may be more familiar to Man Boobzers as Eoghan. Without clicking on the links, can you guess which two?
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You are really a moron, aren’t you? The level of pain for any particular childbirth is best judged by the woman feeling it, not but some bloviating moralist intimidated an physically and emotionally fragile patient into undergoing needless suffering.
Second, moron, it’s not about comparing pain. It’s about denying people pain relief solely on the basis of gender and the moralistic history of the condition causing that pain. Therefore, the fact that I’ve never had the experience of having my “jewels” slightly grazed, I’m not, you know, lecturing men who have had that experience that they should not have pain relief for that. You, on the other hand, are saying, “since I’ve scratched my balls a couple of times, women should give birth unmedicated”. Fuck off. Seriously.
I think I can put this in more concrete terms now–no matter what someone advocates, no matter how distasteful their exercise of their First Amendment rights, no one deserves to have people like NWO set on them.
NWO, can you stick around and argue for a while? Can you show up every day here? I find it… comforting. At least when you’re arguing on here, we know what you’re doing.
Hey, NWO: Shut up.
I do know what having an open abdominal wound feels like. Childbirth is worse. Far, far worse. But hey, there is no pain-o-meter, right? Who’s to say that a guy whose abdomen has been skewered by a fireplace poker is feeling pain that’s worse than what you felt that time when you stubbed your toe? Since there is not pain-o-meter, let’s just not give pain relief to ANYONE, EVER. That seems to be the logical conclusion what you are saying. Once again, there are no words in the English language that I know of that would capture the full extent of your idiocy.
@Cassandra, Elam has a sort of “About Me” page on AVfM that describes his “conversion” to the MRM. I guess he was a psychiatrist and he worked with a bunch of mean girls.
NWO, I’m going to co-sign “no one desreves to be beaten, no matter how repellent their views are.”
That includes you too. Merry fucking Christmas.
The thought of Elam being a counselor gives me chills.
I do not want NWO’s real name or address. I do not want Paul Elam’s real name or address. If I had this information, I would not use it for anything.
And it’s not because I like them. It’s not because I think they’re decent people. It’s not because I don’t believe they’re capable of harming others.
It’s because you don’t fucking do that.
@Holly Pervocracy
Yes, Holly, I’m a serial killer! What you should’ve said was Amused is an idiot for daring to compare the pain of childbirth to a pain she never felt. She’s a woman so that goes against ideology.
If I told you a bullet in the shoulder was an insignificant pain compared to stubbing my toe youd’ve called me an idiot. And rightfully so since I’ve stubbed my toe but never took a bullet.
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Your “no one deserves to be beaten” rhetoric touches me deeply. We used to live in a civilized society but no more, the “spare the rod spoil the child” motto has been replaced by feminist ideology. Marriage is dead, God has been killed, the State is our moral authority. Mens wealth and power is gone and the State reigns supreme. Fathers are kicked out of their homes, the ghetto expands everyday. The feminist utopian dream is becoming a reality.
Well yeah, but I’m just saying, I’m not super scandalized over it. Like I was with Register Her. And anyway, it’s really more screencapped “caught in the act!!!11” type shit than anything else
What the fuck? I really hope the past tense applies, because… urgh.
On a list of people who should never, ever be counselors, Elam should probably be in the top 10, if not the top 5.
@hellkell
“NWO, I’m going to co-sign “no one desreves to be beaten, no matter how repellent their views are.”
They said that about the Nazi’s, the Bolshevics and Pol Pot as well. How’d those acts of tolerance work out?
His patients weren’t nice enough to him? Seriously?
I agree with hellkell that I don’t much care for the idea of him providing mental health services, but you have to admit that “I became an MRA because the mentally ill women sent to me for treatment were mean to me” is pretty funny. Oversensitive much?
I did not compare anything to a pain I’ve never felt — YOU compared something you’ve experienced to a pain you’ve never felt to argue that women should never get pain relief for any medical procedure or incidence of pain, ever.
Childbirth? Psssh. It’s probably a piece of cake, but of course women love to whine about everything, so they overreact. Now, NWO, that guy knows true pain. he once jabbed himself with a fireplace poker for….some reason…
Right, of course, if a woman jabbed herself with a fireplace poker or took a bullet, NWO would still say she shouldn’t get any pain medication because — who can verify she’s in sufficient pain?
Actually NWO’s poker comment combined with his icon is once again making me think that maybe finding a nice pro domme would do great things for his mental health.
I explained my “maybe nobody should ever hit anybody” philosophy to you, like, two days ago. Do we have to go through this again?
Also I have not noted any feminists to be running death camps.
I’m going to expand my “maybe nobody should ever hit anybody” philosophy to also include “maybe everyone in pain really is in pain.”
See how simple life can be?
🙂
Are you advocating that radfems drag agent orange and his cronies out…? That doesn’t sound like you at all.
Yeah, that sounds more like you. I think you have your reality filters wired backwards. You keep registering positive as negative, up as down, night as day. You must be very confused a lot of the time.
Did anyone ever actually say “we shouldn’t hit Pol Pot, you guys, because that would be mean”? Granted that I was a child during the period that he was in power, but I don’t recall that ever happening.
@Amused
What proof do you have that “the vast majority of us, the pain of childbirth is absolutely horrendous.” ???
Is there any at all?
You stated this as a fact. not an opinion. Which is it?
You stated that pain relief is readily given to… “If someone was brought into the emergency room screaming his head off because of a gaping wound in his abdomen, he would get the drugs right away.”
Any person in their right mind would give that person pain relief. You equated that pain as something akin to childbirth. Is it?
I didn’t think it was possible for you to get any dumber NWO. I stand corrected.
REALITY. DO YOU LIVE IN IT MOTHERFUCKER???
Since you’re all standing up for the radfem club, why didn’t you all stand up for PUAs in the last thread? Why not stand up for all us bad MRAs?
NWO gets funnier the more detached from reality he gets. Men’s wealth is gone? Funny thing – I personally know a few men who’re very wealthy. Did the evil man-impoverising femocracy just forget to persecute them or something?