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AgentOrange and the Screencaps of Feminazi Doom

Santa is no longer interested in bringing joy to girls.

Christmas came early for the MRAs this year. Earlier this week, a generous soul calling himself AgentOrange posted a 165 MB present online for them, an assortment of super-secret internet postings from a private forum connected to the RadFem Hub, which Mr. Orange collected by bravely going behind enemy lines and, er, screencapping a bunch of shit. As the OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE declared:

[B]oth feminists and MRAs alike, have been anxiously awaiting the promised complete files of screen shots and associated materials collected by Agent Orange.

These files are apparently so vile and incendiary that Mr. Orange has deemed it necessary to reveal the personal information of some of the RadFemHub commenters. Not to encourage anyone to stalk or harass or harm them, just so that those offended by them can do whatever it is people do when personal info is leaked on the internet that doesn’t involve stalking or harassing or harming them. Send them postcards?

But in any case there is no reason whatsoever to think that a group of really really really angry people who love making threats on the internet and  think their opponents are as bad as Hitler could ever do anything that would be in any way problematic.

So, you might ask, what dastardly secrets do these new files disclose? Oddly, the PRESS RELEASE doesn’t actually specify. The AgentOrange website doesn’t say either. And the 165 MB download is just a bunch of files with no explanation.

But I have spent some time going through these files myself in a completely random manner, which is evidently what AgentOrange expects everyone who downloads the files to do. To be perfectly honest, I haven’t spent that much time on this. I’ve really been quite busy with other things. But I have spent some time. More than twenty minutes, anyway.

So let me share with you some preliminary findings.

Here, straight from the AgentOrange files, are some RadFems discussing a news story about a male midwife who thinks that mothers should embrace the pain of childbirth as a “rite of passage.” (Click on the teensy image on the right to get it full-sized.)

Apparently some of those RadFems don’t think this is a good idea! One of them says:

Does he even know what uterine cramps/contractions even feel like?

Another adds:

I read that and rolled my eyes. … If only it were possible to subject mister midwife (my ass) to the joyous pain of childbirth. I guess a swift kick to the balls is as close as he’s ever going to come to it.

Clearly suggesting that a male midwife suffer pain similar to what he suggests women should suffer is nothing short of GENOCIDE!

But wait, there’s more! Another woman writes:

There is no reason why women should have to endure pain like this in this day and age.

That sounds exactly like something HITLER would have said! (If you replace “women” with “Jews” and “no reason” with “every reason.”)

Still another adds:

This is phenomenally stupid, and completely out of step with current pain management theory and procedures.

Is there no end to this feminazi depravity!?

Oh, but there’s more, much more. In this thread — click the image to the right — the evil RadFems complain about guys trying to pick them up in a creepy manner. One of the ladies suggests that a good way to get the guys to leave you alone is to tell them you’re a widow.

You see now that feminism is all about DECEPTION!

Maybe it should be called Deceptionism!

Ok, ok, just one more. In a thread called “I’m mad as hell” — right over there on the right again — one commenter complains about getting a computer virus.

She’s so mad she says she’s even considering downloading Ubuntu and forgoing all Microsoft products, which are frequently targets of viruses! What? Huh? DOES NOT COMPUTE. BZZZZZZZ. LADY USING LINUX ERROR ERROR. *$^*$()*%(*$$$$$$$$. EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN.

CARRIER.

REBOOTING.

FLUSHING CACHE.

Ok. I’m back. Another commenter there says something about castrating guys who write viruses.

That does seem a little excessive. Though I don’t think she means it literally.

I will return to this topic later, after I recover.

In the meantime, if you want to see the most ridiculous comments on the matter from Reddit’s Men’s Rightsers, you can find some of them collected together here. Among the highlights:

Violence on men is incited daily, by the hour, by the second. Every time someone makes a post on reddit there is a sexist opinion about all men.

This isn’t public shaming, its outing criminals that are planning your genocide.

A story of a plan of naziesque proportions is about to broken.

I think we can all agree that feminism inevitably heads down the road of male genocide.

MRAs, more melodramatic than emo kids.

Oh, and by the way, two of the Reddit quotes above come from a fellow known on Reddit as Sigi1, but who may be more familiar to Man Boobzers as Eoghan. Without clicking on the links, can you guess which two?

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Happy Anti-MRA
Happy Anti-MRA
9 years ago

@MRAL

Thing is, a fella like Elam will attract a hardcore of support – disenfranchised, angry men. His particular brand of reactionary musings does have an audience, unfortunately.

He’ll never be mainstream; his views are too extreme even for very right wing Tea Party/Republicans/Libertarians. He’d be an electoral liability.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

But the thing is, Elam doesn’t really have “politics”, or if he does, they’re unimportant. He has one hot-button issue and one axe to grind, and he just grinds the hell out of it.

Conservatives don’t hate women… they might want women to be traditional housewives or whatever, but they’re not going to be saying things like “women are semi-human parasites” or promoting “Bash a Violent Bitch Month”. Elam is sort of extreme even for the MRAs. I really don’t think he has all that much of a mainstream audience. Any at all, actually.

Happy Anti-MRA
Happy Anti-MRA
9 years ago

@MRAL

I think you’re right BUT within the mainstream are guys just like Elam who would be attracted to what he says. Just like racists attract malcontents, so would be.

But there’s a flipside; he’d disgust a huge number of people too.

Seraph
Seraph
9 years ago

Welcome to the party, BigMomma

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

Conservatives don’t hate women… they might want women to be traditional housewives or whatever, but they’re not going to be saying things like “women are semi-human parasites” or promoting “Bash a Violent Bitch Month”.

It’s true that most conservatives would not support some of Elam’s most extreme writing. However, some of the most conservative evangelicals in the Christian patriarchy movement say similar things but in softer language. Some of their books on families emphasize keeping marriages together no matter the risk and blame victims for their abuse. James Dobson and John MacArthur are two high profile conservative Christians authors who have written problematic things about domestic violence. Though they wouldn’t write an article like “Bash a Violent Bitch Month”, they do sometimes claim that victims provoke their abuse and even wear bruises as a badge of honor to get sympathy from others.

I worry more about them having an influence on popular opinions because they are able to speak calmly rather than ranting and raging like Elam does. I think Elam loves getting big reactions more than influencing others. Happy Anti MRA is correct, though, that his message does appeal to malcontents and can help them become raging misogynists.

MRAL, I can see what you’re saying about wanting to see Elam trying to sell himself in the mainstream media. I imagine it would be difficult for him to adapt to that kind of environment and censor himself enough to not horrify most people. If he got negative reactions, though, he would probably enjoy that, too. It would make him feel more like a martyr and most of all, give him attention.

Amused
9 years ago

BTW…..Ol’ frenchy whose too cool for names has never been able to get into “amurcan” music(country, folk, bluegrass, gospel). No matter how authentic it may be.

Me neither, although given the choice between that and French pop (*puke*), I’ll take “amurcan” music any day.

Then of course, there is “amurcan” music like jazz and blues, which I actually really like.

10G
10G
9 years ago

Ohmyblog, I was gonna leave a more relevant post, but reading Slavey’s dribble has now officially given me the Hershey Squirts (sorry to get graphic, y’all)….so whilst I goeth to lock myself in the bathroom–SLAVEY! NO picking on JEWS!! EVER!! Jesus was a Jew!! We are celebrating his birthday in TWO days, show some respect!!! Holy cats…..be ye kind to EVERYBODY of ANY faith, and stop giving me the shits!!

katz
9 years ago

It’s true that most conservatives would not support some of Elam’s most extreme writing. However, some of the most conservative evangelicals in the Christian patriarchy movement say similar things but in softer language. Some of their books on families emphasize keeping marriages together no matter the risk and blame victims for their abuse. James Dobson and John MacArthur are two high profile conservative Christians authors who have written problematic things about domestic violence.

True, but I agree with MRAL that Dobson et al and Elam et al are still fundamentally different beasts, not just similar views cloaked in different language. Remember the right-wing fundamentalist view of the “family” which, however restrictive and sexist it might be, is still a concept where everyone loves each other and gets along, standing in stark contrast to the MGTOW view that men and women are fundamentally incompatible (and women subhuman monsters incapable of forming meaningful relationships with anyone).

Monsieur sans Nom
Monsieur sans Nom
9 years ago

Wow, just wow………….Look at what radfem user “Feminist Pirate” has to say in the comments section(scroll to the bottom of the page:

http://philobiblon.co.uk/?p=2511#comment-2657100

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I’d love to see a mainstream news agency cover MRAs simply because it would make it very clear just how far outside the mainstream they are. Even something like Fox News that leans noticeably sexist would balk at most MRA talking points.

The whole MRA enterprise is dependent on isolating themselves so that they don’t have to listen to regular, mainstream opinion, since that opinion is going to be “you guys are hateful, scary lunatics”.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Also, yeah, MRAs may superficially resemble some conservative religious folks, and there’s even some crossover, but try saying “we should remove the voice boxes of little girls” or “that dude who shot his wife and some other people in the hair salon was totally justified because she was a bitch” to more conservative Christians and just watch the disgusted, horrified looks you’ll get.

I don’t like fundies, but other than a few very extreme sects like FDLS they’re not like MRAs.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I totally agree. I think most people we think of as “sexist” in everyday life–you know, the guy who thinks “get back in the kitchen” is edgy humor or the guy who thinks “men just make better leaders”–would still be completely appalled by the MRM. It goes so far beyond regular sexist.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Yes to what Holly said a thousand times. This is a cesspit, not a gathering of ordinary “he-man womanhaters. “

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

As an experiment I once tried out some MRA talking points on an in-law who I do think is very sexist in the old-school sense. He’s a conservative Catholic, anti-abortion, very traditional. He was absolutely horrified, and immediately pulled his little daughter onto his lap like he was trying to protect her. I don’t think he even realized he was doing that, it was totally instinctive parental “don’t even think about trying this shit on my kid” behavior.

zhinxy
9 years ago

I don’t think he’d have realized it either. I think that’s just the human response, really. MRA has actually been shedding the decent in layers for years. I think Elam just peeled off another one, (And that one was pretty bad) and I’m morbidly curious as to how far they’ll go…

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

One of the things about conservative Christianity is that it’s usually very family-centric, and while this is definitely not all good (“family values”), it does mean that most of the men have at least one female relative–mother, wife, daughter, sister–that they’re pretty close to. It sure as hell doesn’t insulate them from sexism, but it does mean they can only go so far into “remove their voiceboxes at birth!” territory.

At some point they’re gonna hit the “wait, that’s my sister you’re talking about” wall.

This is why the MRM doesn’t keep me up at night.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

This was what really struck me during Meller’s rants about the totally-not-brothels, how sure he was that most families would be totally down with sending their wayward non-virgin daughters into unwilling prostitution. I really hope that he personally does not have children, but in a more general sense, it’s one of the more baffling things about MRAs, the complete lack of that normal sense of loving and wanting to care for the people in your family even if those people have vaginas.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Like, I grew up partly in the Middle East, where most people have really strong feelings about virginity for girls. And some bad stuff really does happen there in relation to that. But even in, say, Saudi, if you were to start up with the stuff about cutting out voice boxes most men would be fucking horrified. And it’s really super weird for someone who values virginity to think that families would be cool with sending their non-virgin daughters into sex work.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

Okay, that’s true. I do see some crossover between extremist sects of fundamentalism and the MRM, but I agree that the MRA’s are much worse. That’s probably why I’ve seen some MRA’s bash tradcons (traditional conservatives) like The Thinking Housewife and Penny Nance from Concerned Women for America. They agree on some of the misogynistic points but then Christian conservatives also expect men to have responsibilities, which is a dealbreaker for MRA’s.

They both say things like
1. Feminism is wrong.
2. Women should be submissive.
3. Women should dress modestly to prevent rape.
4. Battered wives should avoid provoking their abusers.

After that, though, the MRA’s do go further than even radicals from The Christian Coalition or Focus on the Family would ever go.

@CassandraSays, I recently showed A Voice for Men to my brother. He was horrified and said “Do people in the world hate half the population this much? Is this some kind of joke?”. I also showed him Register Her. He said, “I want to start a blog about how awful this is!” so I showed him manboobz. He said that restored his faith in humanity again.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I really would like to see them dragged into the mainstream, in a way, just as an object lesson in the fact that no, actually, most men don’t secretely agree with them. Though they’d presumably just declare that 95% of the male population are manginas.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

No, they’d triumphantly declare that a silent majority supports them.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Well, Meller does keep declaring that most men would rather wank to dolls and do unseemly things to their pets than fuck modern women, despite all evidence to the contrary, so…

I wonder what it would take for them to realize that the lurkers do not in fact support them in email.

Pecunium
9 years ago

So NWO would have us believe that the time he hit his cut hand on a railing was so bad he almost passed out, but childbirth… that’s trivial.

Never mind that the only thing I’ve heard women who’ve done it say was worse/comparable was kidney stones. I’ve had kidney stones. The 8,000 dollars I was billed was worth it to alleviate the pain.

I’ve been present/assisted at three births. In all of them the women were in pain. The Bible says that women in childbirth experience pain.

You deny it. You’ve never done it, but you assert it that the women who have, and that things like the Bible, are just making shit up.

That’s why we say you are an idiot.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Holly: Regular marshmallows have gelatin (made from animal… let’s go with “parts”) so they are not vegetarian, kosher, or vegan.

There is kosher gelatin, so there are kosher marshmallows.

They can also be made from the sap of the marsh mallow, which would make them vegan.

Pecunium
9 years ago

NWO: It’s natural because it’s basically part of that cycle. As in part of nature. The term “natural” in the context doesn’t derive from misogyny. Sometimes, on rare occasions, everything isn’t about women being victims of the bad mans evil ways.

Dying from smallpox, or appendicitis, or an abdominal wound is, by your definition, “natural”, but we can stop it. Which is also natural, because we are part of nature, and we’ve figured out how things work.

Pecunium
9 years ago

NWO: As far as I know, new life ain’t popping up in the oceans and stuff. How come?

That would be the problem of “no vacant niche” as expounded by Steven Jay Gould (Wonderful Life, 1990). In the first place, the available ways to make a living are already filled. In the second, even if a niche becomes empty there are other lifeforms (from bacteria to birds, to fish, reptiles, arthropods, mammals, marsupials, etc.) which have a head start. So it’s not true that no new lifeforms are being, “created” but that they have a huge handicap in dealing competitively with the life which already exists.

When one gets to macroscopic life it’s even harder. The greatest change seems to have been the discovery of vision at the beginning of the Paleozoic (defined at the pre-cambrian/cambrian boundary, see “IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE, Parker, Andrew, 2004).

As to the question of proteins outside of cells: repeat after me, “Proteins have been created outside of cells.”

Just keep repeating it until you have come to realise it’s true.

Monsieur sans Nom
Monsieur sans Nom
9 years ago

I’d imagine that childbirth isn’t fun, but what’s befuddling to me is the fact that many women voluntarily do it Again, and Again, and AGAIN…….O_O If the pain is so agonizing why subject yourself to it more than once??? Hopefully in the future robots will have replaced humans and will reproduce asexually and painlessly.

Monsieur sans Nom
Monsieur sans Nom
9 years ago

I do have to say one more thing about radfem though……………What I find quite Cr33py and at the same time pretty pathetic are the uncanny similarities between the “radical feminists” of radfem and christian fundamentalists. radfemmers think that Nature is “perfect” and doesn’t make any sort of biological mistakes and this intended people to be born & live exactly as they are. Not to mention their fanatical hatred of sex. ><

marxantimisandry
9 years ago

Someone above claimed MRA’s say things like:

1. Feminism is wrong.
2. Women should be submissive.
3. Women should dress modestly to prevent rape.
4. Battered wives should avoid provoking their abusers.

I agree MRA’s do say #1, but I’ve not encountered #2,#3 or #4 being listed by any MRA group… Could you show me precisely where this is being said by MRA’s?

ithiliana
9 years ago

*Hands David the internet of his choice for brilliant pwning via linkage*

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
9 years ago

Bravo, David.

Amused
9 years ago

@marxantimisandry: Saying something along the lines of how you aren’t claiming that women should revert to the status of chattel but feminism is wrong is akin to saying that you think the Civil Rights Movement is wrong, but you aren’t saying people of color should be second-class citizens.

Merry Christmas, everybody.

Anti-Moron's-Rights
Anti-Moron's-Rights
9 years ago

While I am critical of certain radfem points-of view – namely the ones that denounce pornography and sex-work – I at least respect where they’re coming from. I’m a sex-positive equality feminist, who will fight hard for sex workers’ rights, freedom from censorship, and real men’s rights (like freedom not to be blown up in wars, and rights to child custody and financial support, which I’d like to see more awesome dads, like my awesome dad, get – but not the right to make a “Who would you rape? list” at a fraternity). So sure, I do sometimes feel that some radical feminists don’t see eye-to-eye with me, and a couple have called me mean names on their blogs, but to be perfectly fair to them, they haven’t threatened or condoned violence against me. Or at least not to my knowledge.

Same deal with most religious conservatives. While a few advocate violence, the vast majority will merely grumble about how they find GLBT people’s lifestyles misguided and about how abortion is immoral. A few might even call me anti-gay slurs, but they’re not out there calling for me to be burned at the stake. They’re mostly just planning to vote Republican in the next election, and that’s about it.

I can’t say the same for many MRAs. At best, they want to silence women. Even women who are on the side of men’s rights best shut up, because they’re women, and women = garbage. More often, I’ve seen MRA blogs that salivate over the thought of violence against women and GLBT people. I guess the thinking goes “If I can’t see every single thing in society go my way, I’ll ruin it for everyone else.” And I’m not ok with that.

The MRAs (I call them “Moron’s Rights Activists”) are correct about one thing though: mainstream society really, really dislikes them. But they’re wrong about the reasons why. It’s not because they’re men. It’s not because of their chromosomes or what’s between their legs. It’s because the language they use and the “solutions” they advocate are so anti-social, radical, and sometimes, even violent that even your average hard-core conservative or “Gee I wish society would return to the 1950s”-type person feels repulsed. They can’t find widespread support – NOT because society is vastly misandrist, but because society doesn’t find a call-to-arms against more than 50 percent of its population to be all that awfully cool.

gateman
gateman
9 years ago

Back to the RadFem screen captures. Did you not read the section on elimination of the male gender on-mass? Or the bit on throwing (male) children out the window?

Those comments are from senior female academics and women in positions of power. They’re also from women who work in childcare! Does that not concern you?

The MRA comments regarding submissive women or the way women dress is very tame by comparison.

marxantimisandry
9 years ago

——
One example of this attitude from there:

http://antimisandry.com/chit-chat-main/look-out-bra-walk-near-you-41817-post268679.html#post268679
——

David, I don’t know whether you intentionally misrepresented my site or just didn’t realise how ‘quoting’ works – the post you took me to was a member quoting the original article from another site, they were NOT his words.

My experience with feminism is that it’s followers have a nasty habit of misrepresenting with the full intent of deceiving others and crediting people where they do not deserve credit. That seems to be the case on this occasion, you are crediting (and misquoting) an anti-feminist in order to deceive your readers into believing he said to effect that women who dress in a certain manner ‘deserve’ to be rape – which is absolutely not the case.

Your article (this one) reinforces my opinion of feminists being deceptive as you only managed to talk about very benign issues and utterly ignored the more problematic areas of the rad-fem discussions, such as poisoning pregnant women to induce abortions and poisoning men to affect their sperm. You failed to discuss any of the topics that were the main target of the agent-orange concept. Instead, you opted to misrepresent the entire point for your readers in order to minimize the potential here. Why would you do that if not with the intent of supporting the bigotry that has been exposed?

Now tell me David, IF you had stumbled upon similar topics from a men’s rights site – would you ignore the calls for violence, the threats to poison innocent people, the demands for women to be reduced to 10% of the population, the fact that these MRA’s held influence & power, etc. etc.? Of course you wouldn’t – it would be the meat of your article.

As far as can tell from what bits I’ve read, you seem to be very supportive of the hate campaign against men and supporting misinformation which only serves to demonize an entire sex.

I am saddened, but not in the least surprised, by your efforts to deceive and manipulate.

Sharculese
9 years ago

omigod it’s like every whiny concern troll cliche rolled into a single post

Sharculese
9 years ago

it’s like you guys think if you slather everything with this ‘i heartily disagree and good day to you, sir’ flowery debate club nonsense people aren’t going to notice how incredibly juvenile your shit is.

‘a woman feels she should be allowed to walk around without a shirt on. time to flip the fuck out about what a poor marginalized baby i am because other people are doing things’

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Hey there, fake Marxist. You better put down that big, heavy imaginary violin that you’re playing before you hurt yourself.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

Marxantimisandry said

Someone above claimed MRA’s say things like:

1. Feminism is wrong.
2. Women should be submissive.
3. Women should dress modestly to prevent rape.
4. Battered wives should avoid provoking their abusers.

I agree MRA’s do say #1, but I’ve not encountered #2,#3 or #4 being listed by any MRA group… Could you show me precisely where this is being said by MRA’s?

Hey, I was the one who made that list of MRA beliefs. David already did an excellent job providing examples for you, but I want to back up my statement, too.

1. Feminism is wrong. Okay you’ve already admitted that most MRA blogs say that. It is the stated goal for most of the manosphere, after all.

2. Women should be submissive. Just read the blog posts at Roissy/Heartiste’s site or Boycott American Women. They love to whine and complain about how “Ameriskank” women aren’t submissive enough, but LBFM’s (Little Brown Fuck Machines) are the solution to western men’s prayers. Uncle Elmer at the Spearhead loves to brag about his foreign wife he calls his “mail order bride”. These are just a few examples of men in the manosphere saying that women should be submissive to men.

3. NWOSlave is an MRA that comments here all the time trying to convince everyone that if women dress provocatively, they are tempting men to rape them. He compares scantily dressed women to a meal being dangled in front of a starving man. All of the comment sections at AVfM and the Spearhead dealing with Slut walks usually include some posters saying that a scantily clad woman is like a person walking around thieves with large sums of cash in hir hands.

4. Just read the post “How to slap your way to slavery” at A Voice for Men. It describes a scenario where a woman nags and pesters her husband until he begins hitting her. The story shows the abuser in a sympathetic light and shows the abused woman as the victim.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

Correction, I meant to say that the story shows the abuser in a sympathetic light and the abused woman as the villian, not victim.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Kendra, don’t forget our very own DKM, who totally understands how some man could be provoked by his wife into hitting her. Not that he endorses that or anything. /sarcasm

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

In fact, he understands why a man might want to beat me up for the comments I make here! Just hypothetically, you understand.

Kendra, the bionic mommy
Kendra, the bionic mommy
9 years ago

That’s right, DKM does give a lot of examples of domestic violence victim blaming. His little “I’m not blaming the victim when I say victims provoke their abusers” rants are an excellent example of my fourth point.

marxantimisandry
9 years ago

—–
Almost any MRA discussion of the slutwalks is going to contain some version of the “if they dress like sluts they deserve what they get” or “women need to take responsibility for their actions,”
—–
You then directed to me a quote where a guard suggested a woman might be safer if she covered her breasts. The poster of the words you quoted said in response it wasn’t about her ‘rights’ but rather trying to protect her.

And you call that an argument of she ‘deserves’ to be raped? What? There is simply no comparison. You are blowing words out of context to serve your purpose of marginalizing the point he was addressing.
You then ignore the point I raised about how you selectively posted segments of the Agent Orange Files in order to misrepresent just how bad they really are.
My question asked: Why would you do that if not with the intent of supporting the bigotry that has been exposed?

If I came upon a Nazi site plotting ways of destroying the world we live in yet selectively quoted only the most benign elements, such as quoting someone who said “I like blue eyes” and intentionally left out other quotes such as “Let’s kill those who don’t have blue eyes” – wouldn’t that strike you as a bit… odd?

I realise I’m wasting my time pointing out your obvious hypocrisy in this issue. Your name is well known over the interwebs for your distortions of reality.

Having spoken with you directly now and seeing your tricks in action – I see why others suggest not bothering with you… Your arguments are akin to an abusive man saying “She ‘made me’ hit her because of the dirty looks she gave me after serving a cold dinner!” and flatly refusing to acknowledge he has done wrong.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

“Deal with the guys if there is a problem,” she said, “but don’t come over and pre-emptively tell me that I’m going to start a problem.”
She is asking again, that men deal with a problem that may start because of her own actions and choices.

So if SHE is attracting negative attention to HERSELF, she still asks men to deal with it.

I would not intervene I think, if something happened. She asked for it in a very forefront way. If she wants to flaunt her tit’s for all to see, then she is old enough to deal with the consequences of her actions. Such as someone video taping her jugs and putting it on internet or some other scheme.

Yup, she wants it all, and also wants men to pick up the tab and assume responsibility for her actions.

How is “she asked for it” (when speaking about something she obviously doesn’t want) different from “she deserves it”?
Saying that women shouldn’t dress this or that way to avoid rape is
– a lie, as such thing has never been proven effective
– a way to control how women dresses
– a very common way to subtly shift responsibility from the rapist to the victim by saying that her actions cause the rape.

Misogyny, misogyny, misogyny. But on top of that, we should care about your concern-troll’s feelings? Sugh.

“Deal with the guys if there is a problem,” she said, “but don’t come over and pre-emptively tell me that I’m going to start a problem.”

She’s right you know?

Shadow
Shadow
9 years ago

“Your arguments are akin to an abusive man saying “She ‘made me’ hit her because of the dirty looks she gave me after serving a cold dinner!” and flatly refusing to acknowledge he has done wrong”

I lollled… so much lollling. In fact I lolled so hard that my ass remains on the floor due to me not being able to stop lolling in order to reattach it. David, by looking for and finding the abundant rape-apologising and abuse-apologising posts in the manosphere you are exactly like an abuser trying to excuse away his abuse. If anyone sees an ass lying around Woodbridge or Toronto please contact me as I may have been thinking of this post during my travels and am frantically trying to find it

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

“Your arguments are akin to an abusive man saying “She ‘made me’ hit her because of the dirty looks she gave me after serving a cold dinner!” and flatly refusing to acknowledge he has done wrong.”

Except that the only manboobz regular commenter that could say such a thing is a MRA. Funny how things are.

How could I miss that? You come here concern-trolling because you feel you’re being misrepresented and give us a link to a forum whose official definition for feminist is “a sexist female-supremacist who advocate preferential treatment of women over men or possibly someone who does believes in true equality and is miseducated on what feminism is truly about” i.e. “evil or stupid”.