NOTE: The title of this post is sarcastic. If you found this post through a Google search because you’re actually looking for tips on how to exploit desperate young women, you’re a piece of shit, and this post is not for you. Go away, and go fuck yourself.
Fellas! Want sex, but don’t have the money to shell out on prostitutes? Hate the time and effort it takes to talk a non-professional sex-having women into having sex with you? A recent post by Advocatus Diaboli on the always delightful In Mala Fide offered an elegant solution for horny but frugal men. In a post titled Pooning on a Tight Budget, AD explained the technique that has worked for him:
Getting poor, but good-looking, young girls (18-23) to have sex with [you] in return for some timely financial help.
Turns out that women who are poor and desperate can be exploited for your own sexy purposes!
Of course, it’s not always quite as easy as it might seem.
I should be upfront that getting amateur women to have sex for money can be tricky as most of them believe that they are not whores. Moreover, poor young women often have “boyfriends” and white knight orbiters. So I created a set of filters and rules to screen out the most problematic types.
According to AD, all you have to do is to:
Avoid all girls who have obvious and serious drug and mental health issues or have lived on the street for over 6 weeks at a stretch.
Happily for you, that still leaves lots of girls ripe for the picking! AD suggests you focus your attention on:
Freshly homeless young girls, especially those who hangout in mixed groups.
The safest ones are those who are into pot, drumming, dreadlocks et cetera. You can find them in many larger cities in the spring and summer. While I would never trust them with any significant amount of money, many are reasonably decent human beings.
You might not think you’d have much in common to talk about with these women – what with them being “reasonably decent human beings” and you being a “completely reprehensible pile of shit” – but you’d be surprised.
Strike up a conversation with them, engage them and see where it leads. But you must make it plainly obvious that you are interested in them sexually, but that all favors require reciprocation. Once you get to know them, a decent round of drinks, snacks, money for pot, a small necessary item of clothing, decent dinner with booze will almost guarantee you a good lay (or at least a couple of BJs).
And if you crunch the numbers you’ll see it’s really quite a frugal solution.
Your initial financial hit for hanging out with them is very small, and once they are sleeping with you.. it will often work to about $30-60 (cash equivalent or cash) per session. You may also get freebies..
But girls don’t necessarily have to be literally homeless to be desperate enough to sleep with you for money. Nope! You may also find great cost-savings from targeting:
Girls who are not homeless, but are just hanging on.
How do you find these lovely ladies? Keep an eye out for women working really shitty jobs that don’t pay shit! You’ll find them conveniently located
in smaller retail stores or businesses that pay minimum wage with no tips. Build a rapport and be fairly upfront about your interest, but do not come across as desperate. Go to her workplace and talk to her when you are in that area, but do not stalk her.
Yep, it turns out that even desperate women can be creeped out. So play it cool! Stalking’s for fools!
There’s another possible hurdle: other dudes.
Such women often have “boyfriends,” however, they are often just as poor or poorer than her. You can get pussy as long as you are firm about the need for reciprocation. This category of girls might be more willing to give BJs than having ‘real sex.’ But do you really care?
Just remember to keep to your budget!
Restrict your help to less than $200 at any one time AND only after she has put out a couple of times.
And then there’s AD’s favorite category of desperate women:
Girls who are poor, but not homeless and have no “boyfriends” + have moved to the city within the last eight weeks.
You have hit the jackpot!
Just don’t get carried away. Remember: you’re in charge, and she should know it!
Remember these girls can become de facto GFs, but do not restrict yourself to one. While you do not have to rub it in their faces, they should know that you are always looking around for a better deal. But treat them a bit better than type 1 and 2, they do give more per dollar spent on them.
Your accountant will be so, so proud of you!
Just remember:
They will play by your rules as long as they are not too dehumanizing, and they are often cheaper than professional whores.
Now that’s a motto to live by!
Amazingly, not all of the readers of In Mala Fide appreciated AD’s little treatise.
Simon invoked the c-word, before tossing in some racism:
Mate you are one deadset sad cunt. It’s no surprise to know you’re Indian.
Cathater broke out the other c-word:
Pretty damn creepy. You sound like you have no soul. Actually, you might be the first member of a new species: the perfectly rational, purely selfish utility-maximizing agent (Homo Economicus) that Austrian economists and Randroids have always droned on and on about.
Yes, I was as surprised as you are to read an actually reasonable critique of the post on In Mala Fide.
Don’t worry, though, the rest of the comments mostly lived up to the foul standards of the blog.
Ryu worried about the old slippery slope. If you start by suggesting that PUAs target homeless women, the next thing you know they’ll advocate sex with children! And then down the slippery slope you’ll slide:
This is the direction that PU takes one in. I’m surprised that there haven’t been any PUAs who say that during a dry spell we should go to gay bars and pick up men. Just to keep your dick wet, you know.
Savrola returned to the theme of race:
There’s a problem WNs have yet to deal with. Well off second-generation foreigners like AD taking advantage of your impoverished women of older native stock, after they’ve taken your jobs.
Can’t keep ‘em here, can’t send ‘em back.
What to do?
Blog proprietor Ferdinand Bardamu waded in to take a shot at all the “white knights” sticking up for the gals.
ROFLMAO at all these white knights. …
If you want to blame someone, blame the morally debased white women who would rather blow a stranger for $200 then work honestly (pull yourself up by your bootstraps, slob! nobody owes you anything!).
We’re living in Soviet Amerika (and Soviet Kanada). All of your daughters are whores or will become whores, soon as the price tag gets high enough.
Meanwhile, Stoner With a Boner, who sometimes graces the comments section here with his always trenchant wisdom, took a stand on behalf of the real victims here: dudes paying their own hard-earned money to icky ladies for sex.
Personally, I find the idea of clocking more hours at a job I hate just to hand $200 to a prostitute who would probably leave me dying in the street rather than help degrading.
Men, the forgotten victims once again.
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Actually, Austrian economics was based on throwing out homo economicus, cathater! (The problem is it then postulated Homo Leprechaunicus…)
I’m most intrigued by the “time homeless” rules. So it’s okay to do this with a girl who’s been homeless for five weeks, but six is pushing it. Huh. What if she’s in a halfway house or shelter? Ahh, halfway house game. Untapped market.
“completely reprehensible pile of shit”
That about sums it up.
Well I think we have found here a possible bottom. There are some things so awful that even some MRA’s will condemn them wholeheartedly without some bullshit about still understanding. Sad that its not murder but you’ve got to start somewhere.
“Personally, I find the idea of clocking more hours at a job I hate just to hand $200 to a prostitute who would probably leave me dying in the street rather than help degrading.”
And by help I mean, help with this boner of mine, that is killing me. I work hard for my money! What the hell do you mean, you’re working too and this IS your job? Grumble mumble…
For all the complaining MRAs do about how dirty or gross women’s bodies are, I can’t imagine that they’d actually hook up with homeless women.
as someone who adheres to the austrian school of economic calculation I am highly amused and kind of insulted that they don’t actually understand how that system works…
This guy is a truly reprehensible piece of shit. I hope he gets eaten by coyotes.
Not enough brain bleach in the whole world.
Does anybody know why he keeps putting “boyfriend” in quotes? Is the entire concept of boyfriends bunk, or is it just that women below a certain SES threshold can’t have them?
I’m going to make myself unnecessarily vulnerable and tell a little story.
When I was 16, I ran away from home. My mother was abusive, I’d just brought home bad grades (I was in college already and not up to the challenge) and she’d exploded and kept exploding. I’m talking waking me up in the middle of the night to scream at me more exploding; checking the clock and it would literally be hours exploding; flying into a rage any time she saw me but refusing to let me leave the house exploding. I didn’t know when it was going to end, I had long since resorted to self-mutilation to deal with the stress, and I was afraid my life would be a living hell for months or years if I didn’t get out.
So I got out. I was, despite being in college, a very young 16 and I didn’t have any realistic idea what I was doing. I just stuffed some clothes in a backpack and (after waiting for my mother to leave the house) walked out the front door. I didn’t know where I was going. I just wanted to get far enough away she couldn’t find me.
The first night, I slept in a park. Or tried to sleep. I think I got about two hours, curled up in the little concrete alcove outside a locked-up park bathroom so I was somewhat hidden. I was painfully aware of how exposed I was–to the weather, to criminals, to cops, even to animals. I didn’t eat or drink anything that day. I was not good at being homeless.
The next night, I met up with a guy I knew. He was a lot older than me, sort of a friend, sort of a weirdo, still lived with his parents, but he had a private entrance to his basement. He used to screen porn films for me and some other underage girls. Never did anything to us, just watched them with us, and we thought he was so cool for being over 18 and allowed to buy porn.
Let’s be fair here; he didn’t offer me food and lodging for sex, not in so many words. I “seduced” him. I got food and lodging out of it. He didn’t hurt me but he did make it clear that I’d have to leave if I stopped sleeping with him. For banging him every night and most mornings, I got about four days of a safe bed to sleep in and the food in his fridge. Then the cops came by his place and dragged me home. (Contrary to MRA logic, he didn’t get in any legal trouble for any of this.) Shit with my mom got even worse after that and I ended up leaving home for several months, but that’s another story and one that fortunately doesn’t involve survival sex.
I know that nothing about this story will discourage people who get off on the idea of having power over a desperate girl, or people who are playing Homo economicus and only hear “so all I have to pay is some food? I’ll make sure not to have anything expensive in the fridge!” (And hell, if your moral compass is broken enough you could say that guy saved me from the streets!)
But I hope it has some effect on people who think girls only sell sex because they like sex, because it’s easy work, because they’re lazy, because they’re dumb, because they’re “trashy” or “dirty” in some indefinable way. There’s a lot of complicated factors in my story, but “she whored herself out because she was a whore”–for any of the usual implications of “whore”–is not one of them.
briget – At this point I think there’s an entire separate “school” of “getting Austrianism way wrong” that actually exists as an ephemeral MRA creation. Careful, if we keep talking about it, we’ll summon Meller, its prime devotee!
Ok…. this guy is a fucking asshole. Reddit/mensrights, Elam, W.F. Price… I’m not a fan of any of them anymore, but I don’t think even they would condone something like this.
Seriously, what the fuck? I think this is the weirdest thing ever posted here. If it was a joke or a brief paragraph, that would be one thing, but it’s the level of sincere detail that makes it so creepy.
Viscaria: I think it must have to do with the “believe they are not whores” bit, a phrasing which implies they already are but only believe they aren’t (the darlings!). I’m just guessing, though, and am not familiar with AD’s, uh, “work.”
I realise I posted the same comment on the last ‘MRA Dating Advice’ story, but I seriously find it hard to believe another human could be so thoroughly repulsive. I feel sick.
You went to college at 16? At that age I was still picking my asscrack and sniffing my finger. Well, I still do that, but no longer in front of people, except my roommate.
Holly, that story made me cry! I am glad your life turned out okay. What an awful thing to have to go through. (P.S. – Sounds like your mom was borderline or bi-polar.)
Holly, that was my exact thought when reading this guy’s reprehensible shit. In general, young people who are homeless are fleeing abusive homes, so to compound their misery by crassly exploiting them for sex is FUCKING EVIL.
Offer a desperate women $200 for a blowjob, then proceed to slut-shame her if she takes you up on the offer. Well played double standard there, Ferdinand.
@Holly
That’s awful. I wonder how the guy in the OP would react to something like that. Like if he was forced to understand what he is doing would be feel bad. Like is he lying to himself about this or does he realize exactly what he is and not care? I always wonder what happens in the minds of horrible people.
@alphalady
There’s no need to bring armchair diagnosis into this.
Wasn’t this the guy who thought Lara Logan deserved to be assaulted? I think he’s the absolute bottom of the barrel. To me it’s Warren Farrell–>Glenn Sacks–>r/mr–>AVfM–>The Spearhead–>Angry Harry—>This asswipe.
And Holly’s story does suck, BUT! I’m happy things worked out in the end.
That’s awful, Holly. Internet hugs if you want them.
Thanks for sharing that story and putting a human face on the girls and young woman AD advocates exploiting.
I’m hoping for the sake of my own faith in humanity that since his name is ‘Advocatus Diaboli’ he doesn’t genuinely think that this is a way for a decent human being to act.
But I’m not sure, that might just be his an excuse if he’s called on his bullshit.
From reading the comments on that post, I have deduced that “white knighting” means “asserting that women are human being and should not be treated like cattle.”
Although I must say that the vaaast majority of the comments were against this disgusting pile of shit. I know I shouldn’t be impressed, since “Don’t exploit young homeless girls for sex” is second grade Being A Decent Human Being, but it’s so often that MRAs drop below even THAT level.
Holly, your story made me so sad. I’m so sorry you had to go through that! -internet hugs-
Ramza – I’m sure the guy in the OP could justify my dude. I mean, first of all, he took me off the mean streets, so he’s basically a Good Samaritan. And secondly I offered him sex, so clearly I knew what I was getting myself into. And thirdly if I didn’t want to have survival sex I could always have slept in the woods, so really it was my choice to pursue the luxury of indoor living.
(I’m nervous here of implying that sex workers never have a choice. They’re not all people in desperate situations. But if they’re working for $30 a trick or for food, then yeah, that’s not a happy empowered independent sex worker you’re hiring.)
Alphalady – My mom is not bipolar. I don’t know about borderline? I think she’s a bad person whatever she has, and that’s a separate thing. There’s no mental illness with the symptom of “is biologically compelled to hurt people they have power over.”
MRAL – Thanks. It’s funny, in some ways I still don’t feel like I grew up; I feel like I finally ran away and got away with it. I have a real job and my own apartment, though, so it’s a pretty good life for a “runaway.” 🙂
*Hugs Holly*
I was in some odd places for a while, though I never engaged in survival sex – I never had to. But it brought me close to people who did – which has always affected my perceptions and probably made me so insistent on better options for runaways and harm reduction.
Ramza and Holly, I had relatives who suffered from both and when I was finally apprised of this by a mental health professional, it was a relief to know that I wasn’t “bad,” and this provided me with validation. I was only trying to validate Holly. Sorry if that offended you.