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Gay men! Fear the lesbobo fempocalypse!

Gay men, stop falling for these man-hating ladies!

Gay men, when will you learn that feminists are fickle friends? Christian J. – the blogger behind What Men Are Saying About Women and the inventor of the MRA two-dot ellipses – offers gay men a trenchant warning about the evils of these seemingly friendly “allies.”

Fascinating how gay men are of the opinion that they are seen as humans where feminists are concerned. I am not quite certain how many more times we have to demonstrate that feminists loathe gays, with a passion, the male type ofcourse, not the lesbobo version..

Yes, obviously the lesbobos — much like lesbos, but with twice as much bo — have no problem with male hating. But gay men need to open their eyes to what is really going on.

Feminists have jumped aboard the Gay Rights Movement in order to spread their own male hating message. A message that the Gay Community appears to ignore. When feminists call for the removal of all men, the Gay man is definitely not exempted, I cannot understand how they can be in denial of  that fact, that certainty..

Also, that whole “gay marriage” thing you guys are always on about is really kind of pointless, since the evil ladies have already ruined marriage for everyone:

Feminists are only concerned about destroying marriage and families and the Gay community can help there as well by demanding that marriage should be renounced as null and void.

Of course, the lesbobos love feminism, and vice versa. Or at least they profess to:

Feminism and feminists only support lesbianism as most of the radical feminists are lesbians and they possess sufficient toxicity and male hate in order to spread their anti male loathing. They attached themselves to any movement they think they will have some advantage or benefit to spreading their elitist, sexist message..

But gay men?

Ignore these warning at your own peril. Feminists will dump you faster than typhoid when they have achieved their own outcomes. It’s that simple..

FIGHT THE TWIN EVILS OF LESBOBOS AND FEMINISMISM!

TWO DOTS GOOD, THREE DOTS BAD!

IGNORE THESE WARNING AT YOUR OWN PERIL!

 

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Ramza
Ramza
9 years ago

@Noadi

Hey now, some of us straight guys like lesbian porn made by lesbians. Stop oppressing me with your minor(mostly true) generalization you big meanie. 😛

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

Arks:

>> I look at these [slash] stories (…)
>> I think there’s a definite cock quota that porn has to reach

I also read the occasional slash, and I do need a bit of cock in my porn. I’m bisexual. What’s your excuse?

Steph
9 years ago

Based on what I’ve been watching recently, I have a repressed desire to quit my job and aimlessly wander the Arctic wastes in pursuit of my dream of becoming a dentist.

Also, Transformers 2 with Rifftrax has certainly lain bare my secret fetish for running through fields of exploding CGI while three men make fun of me.

Leely
Leely
9 years ago

I can’t believe that we’ve gotten this far into a discussion of men viewing girl-on-girl porn without anyone bringing up “Lesbian Spank Inferno.”

(Please let the embedding work please let the embedding work please let the embedding work…)

sloejenphys
sloejenphys
9 years ago

Come on now, “Lesbian Spank Inferno” was erotica, not porn (he did explain the plot after all). I love Coupling so much.

Not even going to touch the delusional bit above about feminists wanting to remove all men (clearly as a feminist I only pretend to love my male friends and family members, including my brand new nephew, born this morning!).

Quackers
Quackers
9 years ago

…yeah, that’s called “fetishizing” in feminist circles when it’s two women, so that’s precisely what it is when it’s men instead.

except that fetishizing lesbians is a million dollar industry of porn, using real women.

No money is made from slash fanfic, which is based on fictional characters, many of which are drawn or animated. Do you see the difference here?

Also, should I bother pointing out that 99% of the characters being written about aren’t gay canonically, either?

Should I bother pointing out again that many of them are also animated and drawn? and no one is making money off of their fetishization?

Come see me when real straight men start doing gay porn for a largely female audience, then we’ll talk.

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

…including my brand new nephew, born this morning!

Oh wow! Congratulations to the parents and to your whole family 🙂

Leni
Leni
9 years ago

Feminists are prominent in the LGBT community, because they actually take the time and make the effort to advance their rights. MRAs like Christian J., on the other hand, complain that feminists “hate gays,” while throwing in a conspiracy theory that they’re really just there to “use” gay men.

There’s that, and there’s also the fact that most feminists think that the abuse heaped on gay people, particularly gay men and men perceived to be gay, is largely rooted in misogyny.

Kollege Messerschmitt
9 years ago

“Feminists are only concerned about destroying marriage and families and the Gay community can help there as well by demanding that marriage should be renounced as null and void.”

I’ve finally figured out what’s going on in homophobe’s heads. They think that there can only be one when it comes to marriage. Either it’s one man and one woman, or gays can marry and everyone else’s marriage is null and void. For some reason. It’s like… straight couples have juice, and there’s a big bottle of juice in the fridge. And gay couples want some juice, and the only way they can get it is by stealing the straight couples’ juice.

Marriage must a finite resource or something.

I thought the same thing, kirby. It’s impressive he has the gall to call feminists anti-gay, when he just stated that gay marriage makes straight marriage pretty much worthless.

I also read the occasional slash, and I do need a bit of cock in my porn. I’m bisexual. What’s your excuse?

Same here. It’s not like only straight women read/write/draw slash. There are plenty of queer guys and gals involved, too.

Also seconding everything Quackers said. There are definitely some problematic slashers (just a few days ago, I actually encountered a yaoi fangirl on DA who had some pretty homophobic views – guess non-straight guys are okay as long as they get her off and don’t demand any of these pesky rights that straight people enjoy), but there is a really big difference between fanfic/fanart and actual live action porn. It’s…kinda worrying that this isn’t obvious.

Then there is the whole issue of (mostly straight) guys trying to control women’s sexuality by shaming them for liking guy-on-guy stuff.

Aaaaand another pet peeve of mine:

Also, should I bother pointing out that 99% of the characters being written about aren’t gay canonically, either?

Yeah, but they aren’t usually canonically straight, either.
If the creator didn’t state that they are an absolute 0 on the Kinsey scale, NO EXCEPTIONS EVER, there is plenty of room for interpretation (pssst, bi- and pansexuality exists!).
Ya know, for many queer people, it’s kind of nice to have interesting and complex characters to relate to, instead of only having the choice of one walking stereotype over another.
Admittedly, it’s getting better, but still, I really hate the “straight until stated otherwise” mindset.
I also don’t like it if a male character who was canonically in love with a female character is depicted as exclusively gay, for that matter, but luckily I didn’t encounter such cases very often.

Sharculese
9 years ago

i only slash major events from american history. nobody does dean acheson/bobby kennedy quite like i do.

Arks
Arks
9 years ago

@zhinxy: I only did philosophy for a year to get some credits, I’ll admit. So as far as points of reference go, I had to pick between either Hobbes, or the Crown Prince of Manginas himself, Rousseau. Of course I went with who I relate to more.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@zhinxy: I only did philosophy for a year to get some credits, I’ll admit. So as far as points of reference go, I had to pick between either Hobbes, or the Crown Prince of Manginas himself, Rousseau. Of course I went with who I relate to more.

cant. stop. laughing.

Sharculese
9 years ago

noted feminist jean jacques rosseu. fucking lol.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

@ Sharculese – I once encountered real person slash involving an NHL player and Hitler. That still wins the all time WTF award for me, even more than the Pokeman porn I saw on Weeping Cock.

katz
9 years ago

I too don’t remember the part where Hobbes was right. About virtually anything.

zhinxy
9 years ago

@zhinxy: I only did philosophy for a year to get some credits, I’ll admit. So as far as points of reference go, I had to pick between either Hobbes, or the Crown Prince of Manginas himself, Rousseau. Of course I went with who I relate to more.”

Oh dear lord. Well, at least you admit it. That actually is something.

Well, it might improve your opinion of Rousseau if you remember that women were supposed to be kept ignorant, domestic, and Mellerishly giggly, and if you knew that in real life, he totally abandoned his actual, living children and their mother without a penny of support. Well, he later hired her as a maid, after she’d been forced to give them all up to foundling hospitals. I guess he wasn’t all that bad. Social contracts a social contract, but sometimes a social contract don’t mean shit cause bitches man, amirite? Seriously. You might like the guy more than you think!

Arks
Arks
9 years ago

No, Rousseau was a mangina. Self-loathing, self-chastising, afraid of the power women could have over his life, the common features of all feminist “men.” If he was forced to live today in our post-feminism world then he’d probably spend his time white-knighting on places like this. He just had the fortune of living in a pre-gynocratic world.

katz
9 years ago

I can’t imagine anyone saying Ark’s last post without bursting out laughing by the last sentence.

Sharculese
9 years ago

i got called hobbesian once. it was by my LIBERTARIAN FRIEND’s generally less libertarian girlfriend, because i said i didn’t trust most ordinary people in crisis situations to use guns responsibly. i was never sure what to make of that.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Oh, you’re a Hobbesian all right. :p Bet you’d look askance at my nuclear bazooka car, too. does it matter why I want it? I don’t think so.

( If you’re interested, I would say it all turns on whether or not it’s a function of ordinary people not having the preparation to deal with crisis situations while armed, in which case I actually agree and you’re not a Hobbesian, or if it turns on whether people just suck and shouldn’t be armed because they suck and Hobbes mom didn’t love him unless he behaved, in which case you are, and also hate freedom. Why do you hate freedom? )

zhinxy
9 years ago

And PS yes, those ARE your only two options. I learned from Arks. Oh yes, I did.

zhinxy
9 years ago

And because I learned from Arks I’m going to assign a philosopher to be right. Let’s use … I dunno, Kant?

Sharculese
9 years ago

in case you were worried, it is actually the first one

Sharculese
9 years ago

forgot to add: lol

zhinxy
9 years ago

Then you’re totally an awesome Kantian!

Sniper
Sniper
9 years ago

Arks has got to be faking. I mean, that gravatar for a start.

Sharculese
9 years ago

i can deal with being a kantian

Leni
Leni
9 years ago

He just had the fortune of living in a pre-gynocratic world.

What fucking planet do you live on, anyway?

It’s the same one that those Christians who, though they constitute some 80% of the population and hold more positions of power than anyone else by far, think having to share public space with non-Christians is oppression, isn’t it?

katz
9 years ago

Kantian is cool. Not perfect, but respectable. I’m a Niebuhr girl, myself.

Sharculese
9 years ago

im a dworkinian. not that dworkin, the other (more awesome) dworkin.

(yes philosophy of law can describe the world. screw you if you think it can’t.)

Tatjna
Tatjna
9 years ago

@Lauralot – late to the party but I like Supernatural and don’t ship it (not into slash at all tbh). I like that the men are pretty, that it doesn’t require a lot of thinking, and that it’s cheesy enough to be funny. It’s chewing gum for the mind with Extra Added Eye Candy. And since I’m a woman, I’m pretty used to ignoring the offensive bits in media in order to get enjoyment, eh?

@Arks Oh please, recommend me some video games. I have to know what the Authority On Everything thinks a woman should be playing.

Sharculese
9 years ago

@tatjna

girls like fashion and dress-up and shit like that, so obviously the only game they should play is the world ends with you

Tatjna
Tatjna
9 years ago
Reply to  Sharculese

@Sharculese According to Arks I’m only supposed to like ones that have male characters I can ship. I am wondering what he’d recommend to me that won’t make me go into scarecrow mode, given that I’m not into slash but am still one of them Evol Wimminz.

Arks
Arks
9 years ago

Recently I’ve been enjoying Dark Souls, but I don’t know if you’d enjoy it because it’s somewhat challenging. I notice that women flock to RPGs like Final Fantasy and Dragon Age, and I think the other reason for this (aside from slash) is that they pretty much require no input or activity, so they’re not too taxing on the mind. DaS also has a PVP mode which girls may find stressful as it involves competing with other people.

Personally, if I had to pick something for a girl I’d go with Mario or Zelda or something. They’re just on that threshold of banality where something is accessible to everyone, yet still actually good games – definitely a choice to consider.

Tatjna
Tatjna
9 years ago
Reply to  Arks

Hmm..

Ignoring the not-so-subtle attempts at insulting me, I’ll take your recommendation. Dark Souls looks interesting after a brief read-through on Wikipedia and I’ll definitely add it to the List – I particularly like that it seems to have a fairly large element of choice and outcome. And Wiki says communication is limited in the online mode which is always good IMO.

I hear Zelda is a classic and an academic I know recently produced research that he claims demonstrates that Mario Galaxy is objectively the best video game (as art) ever. This is, of course, debatable but never having played it I couldn’t say. I mostly avoided them because of a perception of banality buy hey, The Authority On Everything says they’re good so they may be worth a second look.

Currently I’m enjoying Bioshock. Because I’m that cutting edge. I imagine Bioshock slash is either non-existent or a tiny niche in some dark and slimy corner of the internet. I dare you to go look.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

Girls don’t like challenging things?

Huh, judging by the video games that interest me, I guess I’m not a woman. Weird. You’d think I’d have figured that out before I was 22.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

@Tatjna: At this point, there’s probably slash fiction for Plants vs. Zombies, even. I mean if a game like Amnesia has a kink meme, anything is possible.

tatjna
tatjna
9 years ago
Reply to  Lauralot

@Lauralot True. A friend and I once tested Rule 34. We gave up after we found algorithm porn.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

As terrible with higher math as I am, even considering algorithm porn is painful.

Nobby
9 years ago

@tatjna while I don’t know about slash per se, I will say that bioshock is not exempt from rule 34 by a long shot, and just leave it there.

Also, RPGs not requiring input, really? I’m not even sure how to respond to that, it’s just so objectively wrong.

tatjna
tatjna
9 years ago
Reply to  Nobby

Yeah, I reckon Bioshock and Rule 34 should never be in the same sentence… oh crap.

And yes, I ignored that part of Arks’ missive because, well, what the fuck I don’t even.

Polliwog
Polliwog
9 years ago

I notice that women flock to RPGs like Final Fantasy and Dragon Age, and I think the other reason for this (aside from slash) is that they pretty much require no input or activity, so they’re not too taxing on the mind.

Or, you know, it could be that they’re good games?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Age:_Origins#Reviews

Note the names of the reviewers saying things like “that kind of game, so rich and involving that you are powerless to resist its wiles and whims” and “a spectacular experience from beginning to end” and “the best RPG of the year — and maybe the best of the HD era.” The reviewers listed have the first names Kevin, David, Jeff, Jason, Will, Seth, and Michael. Clearly a bunch of silly girls, right?

(I don’t much like Final Fantasy, personally – largely because of the interminable, unskippable cutscenes when I want to be doing things – but DA:O was excellent.)

Also, did you play DA:O? Because I would not have described it as a game in which combat required “no input or activity.” That damn Broodmother killed the shit out of me enough times when I was very, very active in controlling my team – I can only imagine how unpleasant she would have been had I been providing “no input.”

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

I used to watch a web-based show that read aloud various terrible fanfics (eg. My Immortal).

There was a Doctor Who 10th Doctor/Captain Jack fic that really offended me.

It wasn’t because of the gay thing, and, although I was offended by Jack getting possessed by an alien and forced to masturbate against his will, that wasn’t what really offended me either. It was because Jack was all angsty about his attraction to the Doctor.

Really, does that sound like the Captain Jack Harkness you know?

Leni
Leni
9 years ago

Arks probably thought Allister was a mangina and couldn’t stand playing DA, which was a really good game. As was Mass Effect, which was really similar. Currently playing Skyrim. Never cared for Zelda or FF. My all time favorite is Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines. When I heard the company that did EVE was was going to do a VTM game I almost died from happiness. Then I almost died again when I heard they nixed it :/

Anyway, Arks does kind of sound like your typical PvP douche so I’m not surprised by that.

I play D&D online because I like RPGs and because I prefer cooperative effort, and I find it rewarding when a bunch of random people can just get together and figure it out and get along and have fun in the process. I find that more rewarding than crunching stats and gear farming, which is also why I tend to stay from RTS games. I’ve heard the same thing from a lot of men as well. So much of PvP comes down to a gear grind, so much of the gear grind is boring ass bullshit farming, they’d rather just play and have fun and I just can’t see anything wrong with that.

And yeah people still compete while cooperating, it’s just usually more friendly and less douchy. I can see why that wouldn’t interest Arks either.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

@Spearhafoc: Would that be Bennet the Sage’s web show?

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

@ Lauralot: Yeah. I liked that quite a bit but I’m not too fond of the other stuff I’ve seen from him. I saw one video where he used the word “cunt” as a punchline in a pretty offensive manner. I didn’t care for it. It was an anime thingy, but I can’t remember the name.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

>>>Anyway, Arks does kind of sound like your typical PvP douche

Probably afflicted with Gamer Stockholm Syndrome, which is the affliction where you’re convinced that it’s an injustice that modern game design has come such a long way that people can actually have fun with videogames without the masochistic tendencies to overindulge in Excel spreadsheets calculations and mechanics that bring nothing to gameplay, like a tightly restricted inventory system or the possibility of entering an unwinnable game state through no fault of your own somewhere around hour 30 of a 100 hours game.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I am horribly offended at the idea of the Doctor having sex, period. In my head, he’s asexual, he will always be asexual, and even if the show shows him waking up from an orgy with Captain Jack, half the Companions, and a goat, I will believe that he happened to wander in there by mistake while looking for his slippers.

(I will, however, accept “in love with the TARDIS.”)

Leni
Leni
9 years ago

Lol BlackBloc XD don’t get me wrong. The spreadsheet nazis have helped me out on more than one occasion. I don’t want to devalue their contributions to my better stats! It’s just that I’m glad we can have games that let all kinds of people enjoy games the way they enjoy them.

The OCD min-max thing is just not my style, but if people wanna do that I’m ok with it. What irritates me is the not-so-subtle implication that spreadsheets are so much more difficult than dealing with stressful situations in which a small group of people are trying to accomplish something while maybe speaking different languages, being at different levels and states of sobriety lol. Etc. The cat herding aspect of it is not always easy, and the last refuge for the misanthrope who can’t deal with group dynamics is always seems to be the sneering “Min-Max, PvP or you’re a pussy”. Which to me always sounds like the most thoughtless, lazy -ass way of playing.

Oh well, to each his own I guess.