So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.
Also, taxes, YES OR NO? Can you just give me a clue as to why you won’t answer this question?
Or it’s the blame game when you point fingers without bothering to consider the nuances (or, in your case, the basics) of the problem.
Speak of blame, if a woman were to rape me, do you think she should go to prison? I certainly do.
Who’s really letting women off the hook here?
Hey, you gals are running the show. The tyranny of the majority. Ask Hannah Rosin.
Here’s an even easier question, NWO: why do you think ‘quota’s’ will be instituted for hard sciences come 2012? Any evidence? Anything besides the voices whispering from your ass?
@zhinxy
Stop pretending to be anything but someone who want’s more government.
Learn to apostrophe, dude. You’re making yourself look foolish enough without piling shitty grammar on top of things.
How can there be “more government”?
NWO’s ass-voices are also psychic!
Because Big Daddy Title IX blah blah blah.*
*Citation: Ass, NWOSlave. Personal asspull. 18 December 2011.
See, NWO? I wrote up a citation just for you! Now you don’t even have to type it yourself.
I mean c’mon. You’re telling me women make up by far 90% of the school councilors, over 80% of the teachers, the majority of those in charge of the system itself and men are still to blame?
Even if you can actually back up those stats, seriously? Teachers and councilors are in charge of the school system? Dude, they’re not even in charge of schools. (That would be administrators.)
In case NWO gets all mad at me when I don’t respond later, I’m going to bed. Later, folks!
@Joanna
22 million Guv employees. That sounds a tish excessive. That’s a lotta communist debt to place on the rest of us.
@Dracula
Awwww! Do women have no power? Is that what you’re telling me?
How am I pretending to be an Anarchist? ??
Heck of a charge, so, evidence?
?
please?
I gotta hear this?
Weren’t you paying attention, zhinxy? “Citation: Ass, NWOSlave. Personal asspull. 18 December 2011.”
I said teachers and councilors don’t run schools. They don’t make policy decisions. Go on, read what I wrote, it’s right up there.
But, Dracula, reading is a feminist conspiracy!
NWO, I have prepared a deal!
There are four questions:
–Would you let Spear’s hypothetical rapist off the hook, and if so, why?
–What can women wear in order to not be sluts?
–Would there be taxes in your ideal utopia?
–What is one specific object, place, or activity that makes you happy?
In exchange for you answering these four questions, I will answer four questions of your choice and/or participate in the roleplay session of your choice.
Come on, dude. Can’t say fairer than that. Last opportunity to fulfill your therapist kink!
Title IXs official position on STEM
The exclusion of women and girls from STEM is not
only unlawful discrimination, it has significant implications
for our economy. Looking at a broad set of data trends, the
NSF governing board observed a “troubling decline in the
number of U.S. citizens who are training to become scientists
and engineers,” and warned that these trends “threaten the
economic welfare and security of our country.”102 The
United States outsources work to and imports scientists and
doctoral candidates from many countries in order to meet the
needs of American competitiveness and innovation, and
some worry that America’s military superiority and security
will suffer as a result of this reliance on foreign talent.”103
Fortunately, the United States has an untapped pool of
potential workers. If women and members of other traditionally
underrepresented groups, such as racial and ethnic
minorities and individuals with disabilities, joined the STEM
workforce in proportion to their representation in the overall
labor force, the shortage of skilled laborers in STEM could
be addressed.104 In addition, women, and especially women
who are also members of other groups traditionally underrepresented
in STEM, bring new perspectives and modes of investigation
to STEM fields and, consequently, grow America’s
capacity for innovation.105
Conclusion
The persistent discrimination against women and girls
in STEM, coupled with widespread concerns about American
competitiveness, demonstrate that enforcement of Title IX
in these fields is critical. Title IX can and must be used to
eliminate the barriers that still exist for girls and women pursuing
STEM programs. Proper enforcement of the law will
help to eliminate conduct or practices that disadvantage students
or employees on the basis of their gender, and create
conditions that allow women and girls the opportunity to succeed
in STEM fields.
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First off women aren’t excluded from STEM, they simply haven’t earned it. Massive amounts of taxpayer funds are already spent on women, far and above what men recieve for education. What is this persistent discrimination in STEM? It’s seems Big Daddy will give you gals a little help in the equality department.
Cyas!
NWO, you forgot my citation! It’s almost like you’re ignoring me on purpose.
@ozymandias42
Well I’ll have to play role playing another time, I’m tired. But I had to come back for this.
#1)If spear was aroused he wasn’t raped. She’s off the hook. He’s a grown man not a small boy.
#2) Amishwear
#3)No.
#4)Horseracing.
NWO, is this because of the time when I pointed out your failings as a human being and predicted that your movement would amount to nothing more than a steaming plate of nobody gives a shit?
Would it help I put on some provocative beach wear?
Wait, it’s Amish wear now? I thought we were supposed to dress like Mennonites.
Holy complete lack of anatomy knowledge, Batman!