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So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.
I don’t think Slavey is trolling in the “doesn’t believe what he says, just for lulz” sense at all. I think he’s genuinely deranged. He may be exaggerating some things in an attempt to rile people up, but if he doesn’t genuinely believe the core things that he keeps going back to over and over again he deserves an internet Oscar.
I think he’s more like Brandon – would like to pretend that he’s just in it to piss off some feminists, but way too obsessive about it for that to be true. Except with a side order of “no, seriously, medication might help”. Certainly there’s a level of paranoia that extends to all kinds of stuff, not just feminism, that’s not very healthy.
Well thanks, but remember that I have a lot of free time as a result of not partying or whatever, that was subsequently spent studying.
Happy birthday Ozy!!!
((((((Birthday hugs))))))))
That is a truly glorious sentence, especially out of context.
Oh, and happy birthday Ozy!
Happy birthday Ozy, and an happier year after that!
I starting to almost feel bad for NWO. If he believes all that he said, that means that being aroused, if not followed by sex directly, is painful for him.
Of course, thinking that all men are the same way is idiotic, since rumor has it that many people, and particularly many men buy or download material for the sole purpose of arousing themselves while being alone. Or so they say.
Happy 20th, Ozy!
MRAL, congrats on your 3.8, that’s excellent.
Actually, if you continue NWO’s analogy to its logical conclusion, wouldn’t porn end up being an expression of female sexuality designed to taunt and torture men?
@NWO and Math: My comments pale in comparison to all of you
My comments made by a single individual are much less than the number of comments made by MULTIPLE individuals.
Why, yes, Newt, it is true.
One single person’s posts (most of the time) are not greater in number than a group of individuals posting.
So you really do think that “we” are all a hive-vagina/mind that cannot be distinguished?
Big surprise: “my comments pale in comparison to all of yours” as well (“yours”=referring to all the rest of the people posting on manboobz).
D’oh!
Happy belated birthday to Ozy!
Congratulations to Holly and MRAL for an incredibly academic semester!
Most of my students are doing really well….just have to finish grading and turn the stuff in tomorrow. So that’s where I’ll be today–in at work. Grading. Writing reports. Grading.
Congrats on your 3.8, MRAL, WTG!!!
Happy Belated Birthday, Ozy!!
I am opposed to bullying of any kind, done by persons of any gender to persons of any gender. I am vehemently opposed to fraternity hazings, for instance, but that’s probably because I want to feminize young men, or so I’ve been told.
When the only information I have about the incident is that brief video clip, I have no idea why they chose a) a boy, and b) that particular boy, nor can I determine the motivation behind the attack. They could have been re-enacting a fraternity hazing for all I know.
What were they wearing? Well, all I can discern from the clip is that one is wearing green shoes, one is wearing blue shoes, and one is wearing white capri pants. I guess two of them must be naked and one must be barefoot, as well, huh?
I’d like to nth the congratulations to you MRAL, and the birthday wishes to ozy!
MRAL, what are you majoring in?
Thank you everyone! Good job MRAL on your 3.8. 🙂 It’s true, those of us with no social lives do have excellent grades…
I’m a math major, and well, thanks for the congratulations everyone. I’m not sure it’s much of an achievement, because it’s less a matter of intelligence and more a matter of not having a life, but. I still take a measure of pride in it.
Nobody gets a 3.8 out of boredom, MRAL. You deserve to be proud! Congratulations!
You know, when I was your age I thought a romantic life was completely out of reach and that I’d end up getting all my life’s satisfaction from a career. It didn’t work out that way at all, and I really wish I had spend my youth enjoying life more instead of freaking out over loneliness. I would love to go back and explain this to my younger self.
Happy Birthday Ozy! And good goddamn, MRAL that’s amazing! Congrats!
Well, you could have spent your not-life masturbating and reading fanfic, but instead you decided to achieve something. 🙂 So that’s kind of awesome and you should be proud.
Congrats MRAL. That’s awesome. 3.8’s don’t make themselves (I don’t know my semester GPA yet, as 2 of my classes haven’t disclosed my final grade yet). Also, happy birthday Ozy. May your third decade of life be awesome (after all, ones second decade of life starts at age 10).
Congrats to our 19-to-20-year-olds, indeed. And may I note that a) 3.8 is a great GPA, especially in STEM, and b) if you got it by diligent work, then it’s just that much better of an accomplishment. (I don’t know anyone, however smart, who succeeded in a difficult subject in college without hard work.)
Sorry I came in late here, but happy birthday Ozy!
And MRAL, seriously, I’m glad to hear you’re doing better. Congrats on the 3.8.
Yay. I finished my grading last week, and it was…welp.
A dude said that the Seven Years War happened as a result of the War of Australian Succession.
VoiP, that is a very pretty puss-cat 🙂
I love the black-and-whites with face spots. Some of them have looked at the city and seen its true face, and some are just sort of disorganized. Some look like Hitler.
Since this is a FRS thread here’s the latest and the greatest from merry old England.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074339/Cry-rape-slap-wrist-Teenage-girl-lies-left-man-prison-savagely-beaten-gets-80-fixed-penalty-notice.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
It seems this slut went into her local pub hangout and announced to everyone she’d been raped. Which of course was your standard bullshit lie. She was cheating and was about to get caught cheating after hooking up with a 40 year old man.
So what did she do? She of course used her gender and sexuality to have her boyfriend beat up the man she willingly cheated on her boyfriend with. She no doubt turned on the waterworks, rattled off the, “if you love me routine,” gave boyfriend some sex, and on and on it went as she pulled out all the stops.
Well, the story of the damsel in distress ends in typical fashion. “Boyfriend” beats the crap out of “the rapist” knocks out 8 of his teeth and gives the “rapist” permanent hearing damage. “Boyfriend” is now serving a 3 year sentence. The “whore” who instigated the entire ordeal, much like a mob boss orders a slaying; Why she got an L80 fine. I don’t know the conversion rate off hand but I’m guessing no more than $150.00.
This is the daily routine. Women using their sexuality as a weapon. We did go over a womans sexuality? Didn’t we? I believe the question I asked was… “If women couldn’t arouse a man, how could women reproduce without the aid of modern technology?”
The closest thing I got to a coherent answer was looking at pictures of naked women. Which of course verifies the fact that a womans sexuality is her ability to arouse a man. What other point would there be looking at a picture of a naked woman other than arousal if the point was arousal so reproduction could happen?
So this woman did what so many women do, she used her gender and sexuality to have another man commit violence in her behalf. Wether she uses an individual man or men of the State the result is the same. There is no blood on her hands of course, she recieves no punishment, aside from that terrible fine. Also, according to feminist law, she can just do the same thing again and her previous exploits can’t be brought up in court. For her protection of course.
According to “slavering beast theory” which is so highly recommended, he was bound to always socially support a womans word. Well he did.
I’m starting to understand why virtually all women believe they were oppressed in the past. Before Big Daddy’s intervention, women were treated as equals. If you wanted a job in the past, you would’ve had to compete equally with men. If you wanted to invent something, you would’ve had to compete equally with men. If you wanted an education, you would’ve had to work in that field, (say shipbuilding) and compete equally with men. Equality is so much nicer when it’s backed by taxes for women only, charity for women only, laws for women only; All backed by the guns of the State.
Do you believe that women are capable of desire?