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So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.
He’s trying, in his own pathetic way, to work up to some big “gotcha!”
see, owlslave, in big people world we have these things called trials, where 12 other big people weigh the evidence and come to a decision, based on all the factors present, as to whether or not that was rape. but they have to actually know the facts to do that kind of big people thinking. it’s not just pressing one button or the other.
@Holly Pervocracy
You support any woman without question who claims rape. You said so in your “slavering beast” post.
The woman in the little scenario I just gave claimed she was raped. You support her. So the “phone survey” in the article quackers gave was exactly that. Not only that, who took the survey, were they the scum molologue girls? Did they lie? Did they make up the entire thing?
Hellkell – I think he’s trying to do the same thing he did by claiming a stubbed toenail counted as rape. Introduce a wild scenario that could technically be considered rape but doesn’t seem so bad to him, then claim that all rape charges are that wild scenario.
@NWO
changing the subject are we?
No consent=rape. Why is that so hard for you MRA fuckwits to understand? If she’s too drunk to consent but he had sex with her anyway, then yes it is rape.
@Holly Pervocracy
Well why wasn’t he raped as well? Or instead? Both were equally intoxicated. Why is he the responsible party? Why not her?
@Quackers
I said they were both equally intoxicated. If she was too drunk to consent, so was he. Why is he responsible for her actions, but she isn’t responsible for his actions?
I support her as a friend and an ally. Not legally.
I know this is going to be way too nuanced for you, but imagine a friend comes to you and says that he’s in horrible pain and his doctor won’t give him pain meds. As a friend, you say “wow, that sucks, man, I’m sorry.” As a doctor, you consider whether or not he’s lying and seeking narcotics for recreational use.
Same person, same story, but different contexts. The context of “friend” doesn’t require you to exercise the same skepticism as the context of “authority.”
Why would they lie? What motivation?
The survey was purely informational; there were no arrests based on it, no prosecutions. The women got no benefit from their participation. Why should they make things up?
NWO, let’s play a fun game! It’s called Guess Why There’s Not Enough Information To Tell Whether It’s Rape!
(Hint: Both people have to do a special thing for it to count as not rape. Can you guess what that thing is?)
The one who initiated sex is the responsible party. It didn’t just happen.
Yes, Quackers, the goalposts have shifted… and ten points for using the word that the Knights of NWO cannot bear — and it’s not Ni!
@NWO
It depends who initiated sexual contact. That’s why we’re saying we need more information.
and the SCUM girls live in Sweden, this survey was done in the US you dumb fuck. And why would anyone lie? they aren’t naming anyone to falsely accuse them which you think all women do for shits and giggles.
no it wasnt. but you dont know that because you didnt read it and wont read it, because facts get in your way.
Michele C. Black, Kathleen C. Basile, Matthew J. Breiding, Sharon G. Smith
Mikel L. Walters, Melissa T. Merrick
Jieru Chen and Mark R. Stevens
according to the report you didn’t read. they’re all government scientist. people generally aren’t in the habit of hiring theater students to run major surveys, because that would be stupid.
remember guys, anybody who disagrees with owlslave is lying. this is because the world is out to get him.
@Quackers, Xanthe and CDC study.
the CDC study doesn’t include prison rape, rape by envelopment, or rape of the homeless.
The cdc study counts Attempted rape as a weighted number of rapes, attempted physical assaults as a weighted number of rapes, had an error rate of 30%, etc.
from reddit
‘it’s not only men that can stop rape, and it’s not only men that are raping… Both genders victimize eachother enough that neither should be ignored. […for those of you wondering how this is relevant to the subreddit] The researchers should lose their jobs for perpetuating a study that takes the extreme feminist approach that men cannot be raped by women unless penetrated. Furthermore, the intellectual bomb that was unleashed when attempted penetration was considered rape makes the entire study severely suspect of trying to drive up the rate of female victims in order to confirm previous shoddy studies that found similar rates of sexual victimization (usually they are 1 in 4). By using a definition of rape closer to the legal definition, and not including all instances of intoxicated participants, the rape rate discovered by this study is actually far lower than even 1 in 6… There simply could not have been a 40-80% decrease in rapes over the years, so all previous studies’ conclusions by the feminist agenda have been thoroughly debunked by this one.’
The FRS has responded to this post also.
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/2011/12/assholez-who-despise-falsely-accused.html
damn Holly beat me too it haha
@Xanthe
yes that word is like kryptonite to him isn’t it?
@Quackers
It does not depend on who initiated. So your telling me that if they were both drinking and the man said let’s have sex, he’s culpible?
Once again, folks, I apologize on the behalf of Scotland for Ullere, and remind you that we also gave you David Tennent, Franz Ferdinand, Trainspotting, and Belle and Sebastian.
Well why wasn’t he raped as well?
Because he consented to having sex. Duh. This is not rocket science, dude. It’s not even milk machine science.
Or instead? Both were equally intoxicated. Why is he the responsible party? Why not her?
If she raped him, she should absolutely be held responsible for raping him. If he raped her, he should be held responsible for raping her. If both of them willingly had consensual sex with each other, no one should be held responsible for rape.
Similarly, if I steal your car, I should be held responsible for stealing your car. If you steal my car, you should be held responsible for stealing my car. If both of us agree to borrow each other’s car, no one should be held responsible for stealing anyone’s car.
This really, really, really isn’t complicated.
In NWO world there is no context, and there is no consent, ever, so rape is the same as sex.
ullere. it wouldn’t include those things of course, because it’s a study on intimate partner violence.what the fuck are you on about?
A “rape culture”? You’ve got to be shitting me!
If a person get’s wasted at a douchey frat-bro party and passes out on the couch in the basement, don’t be surprised when one of the douches does what makes them a douche. It’s like walking around in Queens or Harlem or the East Side of Detroit with giant gold chains and flashing a wad of hundreds and not expecting to get robbed. The person doing that deserves at least equal blame in the situation as the actual robber. Don’t be stupid and stupid shit won’t happen to you.
Sure, there are many instances where a rape is not committed under those circumstances. For example, my own rape at the hands of a female babysitter when I was barely old enough to even consider “sex”.
Do we live in a “robbery culture” because idiots decide to flash tons of cash in bad neighborhoods and get robbed as a result? If not, then we don’t live in a “rape culture” either.
The crazy thing is that most women don’t care if a dude has raped, killed, etc. As long as he is “hot” according to the media (and her friends of course).
Just because I am a man doesn’t give you the right to call me a rapist, or assume that I would rape given an opportunity. That’s just as stupid as a rapist saying “no means yes, yes means anal” or “he was asking for it”, etc.
College women, if you’d like to virtually eliminate your chances of being raped while at school, please don’t go to douche bag frat houses in the first place. But we all know that won’t happen because the meat-heads there work out 4 hours per day to keep 6-pack abs, big arms etc. and the ladies will have nothing less. Since so many women are literally throwing themselves at these d-bags, it’s no surprise when they start to feel entitled to nail every woman they fancy that walks through the door. That’s entitlement. A normal guy wanting to be loved and cuddled once in a while, to be able to share his life and loves with a woman, and not wanting to be lonely because he doesn’t look nearly perfect and isn’t in some douchey fraternity is NOT entitlement. Love and affection are actual human NEEDS, sex is not.
Ladies, stop thinking with the clitoris for one minute and realize that douchey frat bros are going to be just that, douchey frat bros. Don’t be surprised when they do something douchey to you or your friends. Give normal men a chance to know you, love you, car about you, think about you, show compassion for you, for once.
Ullere, you really might want to think a bit more carefully before you go there.
Well, Reddit sure debunked the CDC! I know who I trust more!
@Polliwog
There was no rape. They were both drunk and had sex. Neither party did anything wrong.
Argh, my edit got lost before posting – that should read:
“Because he consented to having sex (assuming that sex happened – pretty much by definition, at least one party involved in the sex has to choose to have sex in order for sex to happen in the first place).”